decades, starting as an intern in the late 1990s and later through stints as an iowa staffer for john mccain and the 2008 presidential primary. i. a spokesman for the republican national committee during mitt romney's 2012 campaign and communications director for jeb bush's. 2016 presidential campaign. along the way, tim developed a reputation for being pretty skilled apple or opposition research, meaning the spreading of damaging stories about political opponents. and and to this end in 2013, he co-founded an organization that came to be known as america rising. he has since left the gop and pursued a career in media, becoming a writer for the bulwark news and opinion website host of not my party on snapchat and commentator on msnbc. he's also known, of course, as a very vocal critic of donald trump about having been immersed in republican politics for as long as he was. tim knows quite a few of those in the gop who who have stayed and gone along with trump while watching much of what they had once believed in. degraded and devalued in why we did, tim examines what makes some people abandon

then donald trump, who he kind of glommed on to not long after john mccain or even before john mccain died and would follow him on the golf course, be golfing all the time. he'd be on the phone with them all the time. he'd be advertising. oh, i just got off the phone with the president. mccarthy would do that. they all would do that. and they all knew better. again privately. and i have a lot of this on the record they would say, man, this is a rope. it's really stressful. graham was extremely open about the game he was playing about how he was sort of playing donald trump and how well, you know, if you really want to get something out of, just tell him obama will do the opposite and don't flatter him too much. only him 80% of the way because he'll work for that last 20%. you can get what want. you can do a deal. i mean, i've never i mean it was stunning. i mean, he lindsey made the calculation that, you know, his voters in south carolina are not going to read the new york times. and they aren't going to read this book. i assume he's and he just did it and. i think if he did and trump

bush took this money, just as carrie took this money, john mccain 2008 take this money. but president obama did not take that money because 2008 when he was running against john mccain, he thought he could raise more money in a way that would allow him to stand a better chance of winning the presidency. i should know, presidential candidates holding them to limits and ultimately -- host: did that set the trend for them not to take money and that's why this fund is piling up? guest: it basically killed the fund. no major party candidate from after the 2008 race has failed himself to this opportunity to get money. so what has happened between 2008 and present-day, the fund continues to grow and grow. congress which has the ability to decide do we want to look -- repurpose this money? it depends on so many things. we have talked to numerous different interests including taxpayer advocates who say if you are not going to use it for anything refund the taxpayers. a lot of people could use this money it would be incredible the government to handed to charity which they could d

john kerry took the money john mccain in 2008. but barack obama did not because in 2008 when he was running against john mccain he thought he can raise much more many that will allow him a better chance to win the presidency then to opt into the fund which i should note for subjecting candidates to limit how much money they could make. >> it showed them not to take money that's why the fund is piling up. >> not only did they set a trend but they killed the fund no major candidate after the 2008 raise has availed themselves to this opportunity to get money fromel this fund. so what has happened between 2008 and the present day it just continues to grow and grow. and congress which has the ability to decide do we want the money?e it just hasn't done anything we have numerous different interest with taxpayer advocate to say if you don't use it for anything then fund the taxpayers we have charities that have said a lot of people can use this money would be incredibly helpful if the government hands it over to charity which they could

no longer the party of bob dole, no longer the party of john mccain, no longer the party of mitt romney, no longer the party of john boehner and paul ryan. i disagree with them often, but who knew i would miss john boehner and paul ryan? and i say that because we could battle it out on issues and strongly disagree with them, fight it out in the legislative arena, but in america, you should be able to lose an election without being concerned that you will lose your democracy. but that is what we confront right now. that is why the stakes are so high here in iowa. somebody asked me, why are you going to iowa? i am going there to make sure we send cindy ask back to congress -- cindy axne back to congress. we appreciate polk county democrats, the work that you do. two competing visions for america. democrats putting people over politics and extreme maga republicans. we are fighting hard as democrats to move america forward. they want to turn back the clock. we are trying to bring people together. they are tearing us apart. we fight for the people. they fight for the privileged few. we belie

accused of intervening federal banking officials on behalf of s&l owner charles keating, republican john mccainiegel, and dennis taking cd. reportedly received a total of $1.3 million in campaign contributions or donations to favorite causes. former chairman edwin gray says the senators tried to subvert the regulatory process. >> i was told to come alone. i did. >> did you find it unusual? >> absolutely. never happened before. the whole time i was in washington i never saw that. >> and no witnesses. >> no. deniability. perfectly built into the meeting. >> they said they wanted us not to take the enforcement action against lincoln savings. the only thing that got them to back off was when we finally said, we are making criminal referrals. you are going to bat for criminals. >> awaiting trials on criminal fraud, keating refuses to testify. >> was there something wrong with five senators? it's about appearance. the real question is, did john mccain abuse his office? the evidence indicates clearly, no. >> they became a symbol of the 1980s, a group of distinguished senators accused of taking bribes

but there's a lot of the ways that that's not working, number one donald john mccain had some very clear issues here is different in the party, and he was summoned to them in a lot of issues. he had a few issues are reported him, torture, campaign finance, immigration. the voters understood, that's where he was. what exactly is kyrsten sinema's position, besides just wanting to be obstructionist, wanting to make mitch mcconnell happy? having some very weird particular complaints about the way that the senate works? wanting to help out the hedge fund guys? it's not a populist maverick style that i think has any appeal, and so i've been the number one joe manchin stand on msnbc, i think what he does makes a lot of times, he's in a deep red state, kirsten sinema is in a state that joe biden won, and she hasn't made clear what her policy agendas, what division is and why she would like the party. i think she thinks she's been a maverick, but it really ain't working. >> i once asked joe manchin, harry gonna do, this is mcconnell really want to change parties. joe manchin live to me, and someo

at one point, when he refused to lower the flag after senator john mccain's death, kelly told him, "ifrt john mccain's funeral, when you die, the public will come to your grave and piss on it." ( cheers and applause ) gotta stay hydrated. we've got a great show for you tonight. my guests are queen latifah and journalist nina totenberg. but when we come back, "meanwhile!" stick around. ♪ ♪ ♪ it ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> stephen: give it up for the band, everybody. louis cato and the late show band right there. louis, we have the lovely, the talented queen latifah is on the show tonight. >> louis: tonight, yes, in the building! >> stephen: and supreme court correspondent, a longtime npr, nina totenberg is going to be here, talking about ruth bader ginsburg, and the present state of the court right now. you know our friend joe sailor is out this week. please tell everybody who is joining you on the drums this week. >> louis: i have one of my oldest and longest dearest friends, jack deboe. >> stephen: thank you for being here. folks, you know i spend most of my time right ove

no longer the party of john mccain. no longer the party of mitt romney. no longer r the party of john benard and paul ryan. i disagreed with them often but who knew i would miss john benard and paul ryan? and i say that because we could battle it out on issues and strongly disagree with them. be disappointed if we lost an election. fight it out in the legislative a droop arena, the political arena in america in a country like this in our great republic we should be able to lose an election without being concerned that you will lose your democracy. but that's what we confront right now. that's why thestakes are so high . here in iowa. someone asked me you go into iowa what are you going therefore. i said i'm going there to make sure that we send in the actually backto congress . and i'm also going to polk county to help lift states from red to blue.so we appreciate polk county democrats, the work that you do. twocompeting visions for america . democrats putting people over politics and extreme maga republicans. we're fighting hard as democrats to move ameri

he reportedly said, quote here, if we don't support john mccain's funeral when you die, the public willave and on it. okay, what's your reaction? >> it's certainly consistent with everything we know about donald trump and john kelly kelly came in determined to impose his will and make the trains run on time and tell donald trump hard truths, like everyone else, he utterly failed to do it. i think -- certainly, jared kushner and ivanka were real enemies and out to drive him out, but the truth was that the longer that trump's presidency went on, the less assertive his chief of staff became because big mulvaney, again, became a rubberstamp. ultimately, he got the chief of, the sycophant he always wanted and mark meadows. >> thank you, sir, it's good to see you, chris. mourners and the uk lining up for hours to see the green one last time. we are learning that president biden will leave with british prime minister lustrous when he is in london for the funeral. the u.s. ambassador to the uk is here to talk about that next. lable without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour s

bullock has styled himself a political outsider in the vein of john mccain. let's be honest, if john mccain as a child had been dropped on his head and into a vat of acid, and you see why republican -- trying to change the conversation. mitch mcconnell knows that candidate quality really does matter. even when the political winds should be in his party's favor. look at the 2010 and 2012 election cycles. maybe remember delaware republican senate candidate christine o'donnell, who after confessing she dabbled in witchcraft has aired a campaign ad saying she wasn't a rich. or caught todd aiken, whose lead in the polls came to a halt when he said there were legitimate forms of rape. when house democrats got walked and lost dozens of seats in -- couldn't win the senate for republican, and i couldn't do it in 2012 even. mitch mcconnell knows political losers when he sees them. and it's clear he doesn't have a lot of hope for his crop of contenders. joining us now is former democratic congressman, max rosa of new york. he's looking to retake new york's 11th congress

i thought as much as he hurt john mccain, she also helped john mccain.ox famous and she wanted to sort of follow fame. and i get that she looked at this landscape with the marge t marjorie taylor greenes and the matt boeberts and thought great, finally a chance to be famous and not have to govern that much. but i think alaskans were turned off and abandoned by her when she left the state in search of more famous pastures. i think that was the result. >> is this about sarah palin specifically? there's no kind of lesson that republicans can glean from this loss? >> if they wanted to talk a lesson from it, it might well be that the local leads -- in this case, alaska only gets one representative. they've got to get it right. they've got salmon shortage, climate change issues just like everywhere else. and it seems voters don't want to throw it away on someone that's going to get up and do the clelebrity thing. i don't know if they're looking for a celebrity there. that's a lesson republicans should take to heart. >> let's also not sell the democratic now wi

his name was john mccain. [applause] the point is every senator can acknowledge that. they should be an an in organizing element of how we talk to one another dealing with food insecurity. passed before this conference is important work of meeting this inflection point by nursing the soul of america. in america no child should go to bed hungry. [applause] no parent should die of disease that can be prevented. [applause] this has always been a country at our best we think big. it's almost like we don't think anymore that we can do big things. i mean it sincerely. think about it. i realize this is not directly related but one of the things i say to my friends i could wave a wand and change one thing i would change america's attitude about all we can do remember who we were. we'll everybody is scared to death of cancer and most people don't think being do much about it. we can imagine if we did that people would say my. this could be a gigantic step a gigantic step to remind us who the we are. this is the united states of america. [applause] there's nothing, nothing, noth

uh-huh exercises and ultra-right views on the presidential candidates then there were they called john mccainst, they called him a communist, and they scolded mccain. you know why he doesn't want to be friends with russia. why? because russia is a white-christian country, which it should be, and they already imagined that it should be a friend of the united states and russia. deserves respect because it got rid of communism and after getting rid of communism it became a white christian country. these are the opinions among the supporters of the extreme right of the united states, that is, you see different different opinions, beloved , different understanding. i think that is completely false understanding history in general is not understanding what russia is, well, there is such a thing, i think that these are the same people, they left their own opinions. unfortunately, such as the ultra-right in america, i think that we should be friends with russia. franko said, he expressed the opinion that everything after all, you can look for good russians by defining certain criteria for them, and t

his name was john mccain.plause] the point is, every senator -- this should be an organizing element of how we start to talk to one another again. dealing with food insecurity. the task of this conference is important work in meeting this inflection point. by nourishing the soul of america, america -- in america, no child should go by debt -- should go to bed hungry. no parent -- [applause] no parent should die of disease that can be prevented. [applause] this has always been a country that when we are at her best we think big. it's almost like we don't think any more that we can do big things. i mean sincerely, think about it. i realize that this is not directly related, but one of the things that i say to my team, my friends, if i could wave a wand and change one thing i would change america's attitude about all we are able to do, remember who we were. i'd wave a wand and say cure cancer. most people don't feel like we do much about it. imagine if we did that. people would say my god, were back. this could b

arizona has been here for many years the senator was his close friend and colleague russophobe john mccaincome when russia will nevertheless become a normal european country to get closer to the cherished goal, apparently, the numerous fakes invented by official kiev about a special military operation, which kara-murza actively disseminated during his speeches in the states are growing most for the liberation of kara-murze and mikhail khodorkovsky for many years he was the right hand of the oligarch. i even worked in his organization of open russia on the territory of our country. she is forbidden, and for her outside continues to function successfully along with other offices of khodorkovsky in the black list on the website of the prosecutor general's office, three british non-governmental organizations fund the future of russia, the oxford russia foundation. and the khodorkovsky foundation by the way, the last organization, despite the ban on activities in russia, is looking for loopholes to circumvent the law and continue to work. the main task of the foundation is the so-called recruit

still need to be calling upon our legislators to try to improve and build on what matt for gary and john mccainn the defense acquisition reform act to make this a much easier process for small business, otherwise you're still going to have to rely on advisors like the chertoff group which i'm happy to plot our firm but i think for the benefit of the country it shouldn't be this hard. it ultimately can be a fantastic experience for small innovative companies because a small purchase order in the government can be literally a game changing scaling events for some of these incredible startups and the government desperately need that capability to meet its requirements in a number of our challenges for preacher adversaries so bottom line is i think we've got to have the defense production act, defense acquisition reform act 2.0 is the right answer and then building on the last, there was what's called the it modernization act which gave the government fund which can go beyond the two-year appropriations cycle and that's been another i think challenge is how you budget with only two years knowledge

, the former governor of alaska is best known for her and successful vice presidential run with john mccain in 2008. when he lost to barack obama, you can actually see russia from land here in alaska. when alaska went to the polls to elect a new member of congress in august, you, helen found herself in a 3 way race or we have just begun and we it. is that a fight for what is right for alaska incarnation, but she was defeated by mary pol toola who was now the 1st native american woman to represent alaska in the house of representatives. being alaska native is part of my ethnicity, but i'm much more than my ethnicity and i'll be looking forward to working forward . ah, for all alaskans here in this, in the short see, the special election was called after the death of the former office holder. alaska has the highest proportion of native americans in the united states, and the vote was the 1st under a new system there with voters listing candidates in order of preference on the ballot. governor sarah palin, special special person, thank you. and palin is already planning another comeback with a

this is the person that will deliver us a win against john mccain.a and bill clinton very special people, charisma, way they connect with people is almost unrivalled. there is going to be jealousy. same thing at a party. everyone wants to talk to that person. they make you feel like the most important person. so magnetic, so charismatic. i am not going to reduce it to the friendship bracelets. >> harris: who else has that magnetism. in that room that would be charlie. >> jessica: charlie for president. >> kayleigh: it is an understatement. obama said shoot me now when biden was talking, old school, condescending at best. guy can talk and talk. obama reported as saying. >> carlie: i am sure all of that is true. i get so tired of listening to barack obama complain about joe biden. you have nobody to blame but yourself! joe biden laughed off the political stage. he run for president multiple times, caught lying each time. everybody found him insufferable. he was gone. he was taken out with the garbage. barack obama perceived he needed him to get into th

have had the privilege to serve in the clinton and obama administration working with senators like john mccainhaving an approach to the way i wrote the book but showing what it was like on the airplane and traveling to the countries and patriots doing the best that they can to advance those causes. that that's why the book is so long. host: but with the story and hillary clinton herself is going through a very difficult marital crisis and of course you never could have knownad so many years down the road you'd have your own difficulty on the front page so when you're dealing with your own story how does hrc counsel you during this difficult time? >> as you said i was a 21 -year-old intern walking into the white house 1996 completely in our falling in love talk about the culture of the love and support and i think everyone goes through their own challenges but back then for me my job is to take care of her. i chose to write a chapter about the impeachment because you can mark all of my professional advances with major newsf and that situation i thought itd was relevant and i wrote it because my

donald trump, that is not much higher than the percentage that voted for mitt romney in 2012 and john mccain08. 2000 was the last time there was any meaningful patch of blue in eastern kentucky and there has been a slow movement to where we are now to where eastern kentucky is one of the reddest regions in the country even though the promises uncle were not kept. >> how was hillary clinton pause comment about deplorable is received in that area? >> that was not received well but there was another comment that could not be more tone deaf. in telling a green energy plan, we will put a lot of coal miners out of work. she went on to put that into context and a way that softened her statement. we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work. that was -- not keeping in mind how important coal mining was to the heritage of the region. it made hillary clinton the perfect foil in 2016. >> is the coal industry declined, you write about the rise of illicit drugs and drug abuse in the region. at the time, oxycontin was a big issue. it has been supplanted by methadone and sentinel and now, heroin. i

bush took this money, just as carrie took this money, john mccain 2008 take this money.resident obama did not take that money because 2008 when he was running against john mccain, he thought he could raise more money in a way that would allow him to stand a better chance of winning the presidency. i should know, presidential candidates holding them to limits and ultimately -- host: did that set the trend for them not to take money and that's why this fund is piling up? guest: it basically killed the fund. no major party candidate from after the 2008 race has failed himself to this opportunity to get money. so what has happened between 2008 and present-day, the fund continues to grow and grow. congress which has the ability to decide do we want to look -- repurpose this money? it depends on so many things. we have talked to numerous different interests including taxpayer advocates who say if you are not going to use it for anything refund the taxpayers. a lot of people could use this money it would be incredible the government to handed to charity which they could do. the

they are spending at john mccain said like drunken sailors, completely out of control.ol and this will add to the mortgaging of our children's future. >> sandra: they are insisting and doing interviews insisting gerad bernstein taking that. >> take credit for lowering the deficit by a trillion dollars because we aren't spending it on emergency and somehow we got the slush fund of 1.2 billion to work with, it's disingenuous and we haven't heard anything better from the biden administration on where you will pay for this. >> sandra: they are having a hard time explaining to the american people how the lower income, middle class american families aren't going to be on the hook for this. >> listen, we're 30.8 trillion in debt. annual deficits are exceeding a trillion dollars and we spent during the covid relief. democrats pilled on around 1.9 trillion of deficit spending of money we don't have that sparked inflation. the dollar you held at the start of the biden administration is only worth 88.3 cents. it is devastating for seniors and all of us. they have completely misman

, kelly by refeuding to lower the flag after john mccane's death, saying "if you don't support john mccain'su die, the republican will come to your grave and on it." . >> okay. what's your reaction. >> consistent with what we know about donald trump and kelly. kelly came in determined to impose his will and make the trains run on time and tell donald trump hard truths. i, like everyone else, he utterly failed to do it. and, you know, certainly jared kushner and ivanka were real enemies and helped to drive him out. the truth wuss that the longer trump's presidency went on, the less assertive his chief of staff became because mick mulvaney became a rubber stamp and ultimately he got the chief of staff that he always wanted in mark meadows. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> lining up for hours to see the queen one last time and we are learning president biden will meet with elizabeth when he is in london for the funeral. the u.s. ambassador is here to talk about that next. . >>> queen elizabeth lying at westminster hall as they pay their respects. they have a few more days before the funeral

this is not the lindsey graham who was john mccain's wing man. >> what i tried to do is state the obviousin a rule of law, the raid on president trump's home, the likely nominee for 2024, better bear some fruit. our country, people on our side, believe when it comes to the justice system there are no rules regarding trump. get him. it doesn't matter how you get him. >> john, your sense of it. >> should have stopped at the first sentence. we live in a rule of law nation. full stop. applying the law without fear of favor. and the threat of riots if the law is applied fairly, equal justice under law, is a threat. treating him as the foregone nominee is putting the thumb on the scale. you either believe in equal justice under law and you don't and you don't threaten political violence, in effect, if the rule of law is applied equally and judiciously. >> haven't we had enough rioting? it's time to tamp this down. >> they should be. and that's about leadership. >> we're agreeing a lot, jim. could you ask us other questions. john is right. it is rule of law. as i go through this and i hear repub

after trump refused to lower the flags following senator john mccain's death. died, the public will come to your grave and piss on it. john fetterman says he is running a normal campaign to be u.s. senator in pennsylvania. this as he recovers from a stroke. his campaign disclosing two neurocognitive tests to prove he is fit to serve. but the doctors were not made available for interviews. fetterman just agreed to face off against mehmet oz in a debate on october 25th. this is the scene inside london westminster hall, as mourners pay respects to queen elizabeth ii. tomorrow evening, her four children, including king charles, the funeral is set for monday. >>> a biden official confirms that the president is planning to meet with the british prime minister ahead of the funeral. join cnn from london live, as the country and the world remember queen elizabeth ii. the state funeral of queen elizabeth, live monday, here on cnn. that's "inside politics" and we'll see you tomorrow. >>> hello. thanks for joining us. we begin with human beings shipped hundreds of miles to

>> well, you know, when lindsey graham had john mccain at his elf's dog, and had somebody to follow whosonable, we all thought lindsey was a reasonable guy, all about policy. but we found out he is all about power. and now that he's president trump's anomie, he has sort of gone off the rails. >> i want to share a portion of the floor speech from a republican colleague of yours, cuccinelli, watch this. >> but you ask, why am i talking about this, is she not pro-life? yes i'm pro-life. i'm also pro life of the mother, the life she has with her children who are already born. i care about the children who are forced into adulthood that was made up by a legislature full of meant so they can take a victory lap and feel good about it. you want children raising children, who will most likely suffer domestic violence and live in poverty. >> were you surprised to have any republicans on your side on this issue? >> there were a few that i thought i could count on. and that is one tough lady to show. they're katrina shealy. we actually had all three of the republican women stick with our coalition.

i said, i think i will call john mccain. we've got just a few minutes left. donald trump. i, i like a number of republican presidents because i felt they understood the constitution, what the country meant and what they how they had to lead. donald trump has only thought about himself. he never once thought about the country. and finally, joe biden. joe and i, the two youngest members of the senate, whereas first we were the kids. we've been good friends ever since. and i'm delighted to see him down there. i don't think anybody else could have brought our allies together the way he did. the war in ukraine. senator patrick leahy, thanks for your your time. and congratulations on your new book, the road taken. thank you very much. this is going to be fine. this is a really going to be fun. i have some powerhouses that do macklemore said that had one general but i think we have generals that have on the platform today. david j. dennis junior is a senior writer at an escape known as the undefeated. his work has been featured in atlanta magazine the atlantic, washington post an

privilege to serve in the clinton administration, the obama administration, working with senators like john mccain. having an approach to the way i wrote the book not to telling the story but showing what it was like, showing what it was like to be in those rooms on those airplanes traveling to countries, being on inside and really patriots doing the best they could for the causes they thought were important for our nation. sometimes i do have moments like you can't believe these stories and that's what the book is a long and it put so many of them in there. >> you entered the white house right around the time hillary clinton was going through a very difficult marital crisis playing out in public and at the time we could've never known several years down the road you would have your own marital difficulties playing out on the front pages of the paper. going back to the time when you first entered when you are dealing with your own story, how did hrc, as you refer to in book, how did she counsel you during those difficult times. >> as you said, i was a 21-year-old intern when i walked in the into t

i said, i think i will call john mccain. we've got just a few minutes left. donald trump. i, i like a number of republican presidents because i felt they understood the constitution, what the country meant and what they how they had to lead. donald trump has only thought about himself. he never once thought about the country. and finally, joe biden. joe and i, the two youngest members of the senate, whereas first we were the kids. we've been good friends ever since. and i'm delighted to see him down there. i don't think anybody else could have brought our allies together the way he did. the war in ukraine. senator patrick leahy, thanks for your your time. and congratulations on your new book, the road taken. thank you very much. our book tv. we want to introduce you to reiner seidelman. he is the author of this book, the power of capitalism a journey recent history across five continents. reiner seidelman what are you trying to accomplish with this book. a lot of people blame capitalism. all the bad things in the world. it's sort of like a 30 rock's today, but i think that

bush and john mccain and executive producer of "the circus." let's start with you, ron. president biden he's trying to draw the battle lines for the mid-terms. he's more frsful than has been in recent times. he's essentially saying you're for democracy or against it. i'm wondering what you make of this potential strategy come this november. >> first of all i think it's really important the line you noted he drew. when you're the president you have to be careful when you're talking about large groups of people. but he went over and again to clear he was not talking about all republicans and i think the polling is questionable on that assertion, but he was isolating the trump movement. and i think it is very hard to ignore the reality that there is an authoritarian strain within the trump movement that is part of the republican party. and the reaction to this by so many republicans and conservatives to say, well, he's smearing all 74 million people who voted for donald trump i think actually underscores the vulnerability here. because we do know from polling that there is

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bush and john mccain. he's also among the co-hosts of the circus on showtime. i'm not gonna talk about the lack of humanity and the cruelty. i wanna talk about the money. this power grid is hanging by a thread. florida? they have infrastructure problems, climate problems, they have a teacher shortage that is huge! why are those governors spending tax dollars on stunts like this? who does it serve? >> it serves them. it's a convenient political tool. we've come a long way since [inaudible] yearning to be free. and in the republican party ronald reagan was a big advocate of immigrants. and i remember 99, bush ran on the issue of inflation even though it was volatile to do so. he said he thought it was the right thing to do. and i think about that, stephanie, and that was 1999. it's been a third of my life since the presidents have been trying to do something and congress has been trying to do something about immigration reform. bush got close with 9/11, but it cut him and bruins that with mexico right after that. and it didn't happen. and it hasn't happened since