you know, john podesta is part of -- if they hacked into john podesta's e-mails, they hacked into the elections. on the other side, the straw man you are creating is the idea that somehow it delegitimatizes the whole thing smz something president obama has said no no no. the election was fair and square at least in terms of the vote counting here. >> say a couple of things here. just bear with me. here is the thing. it is going to be a very, very difficult couple of years if we don't see some signals that the president elect is listening to all americans. you do have americans who say -- who are not saying what you are saying, sir. who say, listen, if you hack into the chair of a campaign for the purpose of disrupting it, that isn't a small deal. that is a big deal -- >> >>[chatter]. >> don't go over there. you don't like this president anyway, president obama. so don't go hiding behind him. -- >> white house in october. >> -- governing party and this is going to be a big concern. you shouldn't be worried about what obama did or whatever. you have to have the confidence of all america

>> you know, john podesta wrote that op-ed last week really criticizing the fbi. representing the clinton campaign has called for an intelligence briefing for the electoral college meeting tomorrow. he is very angry. he feels that as the top person in that campaign the campaign was let down by forces that they could not control, in addition, obviously to some probably campaign strategy changes they could have made. that outside forces did work against him. he is upset and he is doing what he can to seek some sort of closure. >> evidence of collusion between the two, anything substantial to say that that really happened, that there was anything going on? >> we don't know that. >> i want to ask you, when trump has been quiet about russia, has tweeted about china and the drone telling them to keep it is there an expectation that donald trump would usher in a stronger u.s. presence overseas, even though there's been -- he has been critical of that approach saying that we need to put america first? >> yeah. i don't know that he is going to go in that direction. i think

i don't think donald trump won because john podesta's email was hacked. do believe, based on what our own government has said and both sides of the aisle have said, we're privy to the intelligence that in fact the russians did have something to do with hacking into these emails. and to the dnc office of john podesta. >> this is why this is disenginous on the part of. >> you tell me. >> we have seen series of hacks into all kinds of government institutions including the state department and the pentagon and the personal email of the cia director, the white house. there is almost no institution in washington that hasn't been hacked, probably in some cases by the russians. also the chinese. yet, you haven't seen any kind of response like this. we have sat passively by as for example a lot of our key trade secrets have been stolen by the chinese military and people accept it as the status quo. now, when there is a suggestion that it helped hillary lose, people freak out when they said basically nothing before. >> all right. well, tucker, i can't speak for the

john podesta's first interview since the election. he, of course, was the largest victim of the hacking. ten years of his e-mails were hacked and leaked. this is just part of his interview with chuck on "meet the press". what does distorted mean? >> a foreign adversary directly intervened into our democratic institution and tried to tilt the election to donald trump. >> and that's the basic issue with all of the focus by the trump people, whether or not this was an attempt to delegitimize them. the criticism of hillary clinton's comments. some thought sour grapes. russia, a foreign power tried to intervene in the election. whether or not they succeeded isn't really the issue. >> podesta is trying to redirect attention and outrage to the idea and his allegation and that of the u.s. government. not only attempted to meddle and fish around in the election which they and other foreign powers allegedly have done in previous elections. but did so with an intent. and that's new. he's making that allegation frontally. the white house appears

john podesta also took some time and blame for the sprawling hack that ensnared her candidacy. ed failures at the fbi and podesta called out fbi director james comey. now the fbi however is pushing back. evan perez joins me now. evan, you've been reporting on fbi warnings of attempted hacks since the summer. how do you recall officials describing their response? >> jake, i think what's happening right now is members of the clinton campaign are trying to explain to their supporters how they lost this election and hillary clinton met with some of our donors and she described it this way. take a listen. >> we have to recognize that, as the latest reports made clear, vladimir putin himself directed the covert cyber attacks against our electoral system, against our democracy, apparently because he has a personal beef against mimi. against me. >> hillary clinton's campaign manager john podesta wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" in addition to the fact that the fbi director sent these letters just before the election that talked about the finding of new emails, he also said that t

i asked you can they hack john podesta's personal emails? >> you said i was carrying water for putin. that's pretty hilarious. >> you know, when you essentially are an apologist for the criminal that's what you are doing. >> one last time, congressman. look in the camera and say they hacked john podesta's emails we know for a fact that putin's government did that you can't and you know you can't. and you are hiding behind weevil words. >> i just said. >> say they hacked john podesta's email. >> i'm not going to be specific. >> because you don't know it done, one. you don't know it and alleging it without any evidence. >> tucker, you are ignoring the evidence because you don't care the fact that it helped the republican candidate is all you need to know apparently. >> that's totally false. if you are going to make serious allegation against a actual country with actual country. >> i'm taking cash from putin now. >> intelligence committee has seen for a fact. >> you could say it you would and you can't. you know that. >> if you are willing to

john podesta with a scathing criticism of the fbi. >>> fast moving developments in aleppo.tate tv reports are stating evacuations are suspended. thousands of people stuck inside the war-torn city. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> good morning. i'm alison kosik. it is friday, december 16th. 5:00 a.m. in the east. new this morning, president obama vowing to take action in response to russian hacking of the u.s. election. in an interview with npr, the president said he is directly confronted vladimir putin warning the rubbissian presidenf the potential u.s. response. >> no doubt that when any foreign government tries to impact the integrity of our elections that we need to take action and we will at a time and place of our own choosing. >> president obama wasn't specific about the form u.s. response might take or when something like that would happen. he said some of it may be explicit and publicized. some may not be. this as a u.s. official confirms u.s. agencies believe putin ordered the cyber attacks. for the latest on that, let's get to cnn'

i think the problem with what john podesta is doing, and i have respect for john podesta. problem with what the clinton campaign is doing because it continues on this campaign -- >> i'm not talking about the clinton campaign. matt, just to clarify. i'm talking about the cia and the fbi. >> i know what you're talking about. what i'm saying is that it's now become impossible to delink this election from this question about russia's involvement in the election. what voters see across this country is that this, the politics is swirled throughout this question. what i think should happen is donald trump is sworn in as president, as he survives this electors vote, as the administration gets started is i would like to see a bipartisan approach with the incoming ciap know well and have respect for, and for congress as a bipartisan institution to ask all the appropriate questions and get the appropriate answers and stop the leaks and stop just this briefing certain people. tell the american people exactly what we know in a transparent fashion. when that can happen in a bipartisan w

the clinton camp chairman, john podesta, is demanding a hearing for all the electors so they have a chance to hear what we know and don't know about the russians presumed involvement in hacking the election. now, not everyone is on board that it was the russians. our former ambassador to u.n., john bolton, says this was misconstrued when he said the russians might not be behind it. he is convinced somebody is but says we shouldn't jump to conclusions. >> i'm not saying the administration was responsible for the hack. do worry about the politicization of. [unintelligible] -- intelligence of this administration. it came out at a very con convenient time to conclude it was russia after a tie trump was criticized what he was saying about putin. >> the secretary of state job seems to be going to the exxonmobil chief, or -- byron, what is curious how quickly this snowballing into hearings they want done presumely before the 538 electors will immediate would decide the next president of the united states, and most of them are duty bound to the vote in hero state us. a way of prying a few off. >>

but john podesta sees it as part and parcel of all of the same thing. tom that's where you come in. i know for the past couple of days i've been making you be sort of the voice of the fbi because you worked there for years and i'm making you explain any and all possible ills at the fbi. so here let's do it again. because basically what john podesta is saying is that when the fbi learned, and believed, for sure, that russia was meddling, that they did not handle it in any sort of appropriately aggressive way. in fact, he claims that they did not go and alert the dnc, that their computers had been hacked, that they made a phone call and left it on some sort of i.t. help line. here's what he wrote in his op-ed. he says comparing the fbi's massive response to the overblown e-mail scandal, and the seemingly lackadaisical response to the very real russian plot to subvert a national election shows that something is deeply broken at the fbi. comey justified his handling of the e-mail case by citing intense public interest, yet he refused to join the rest of the intelligence community in a s

gloria, the statement john podesta just released, john podesta campaign manager for hillary clinton's campaign saying the electoral college should get a full briefing on these reports that russia interfered in the u.s. election process with the supposed desire to help donald trump win. before the electoral college formerly wraps up what it's supposed to do by the end of the week they want this intelligence made public? >> some electors suggested an intelligence briefing and today john podesta weighed in saying the clinton campaign supports that. again, as we talked about before, two things going on here. one is the impact that this hacking may have had on the election, and these electors want to kind of hear about the intelligence community's assessment of the exact interference and whether it might have affected the outcome. then there is the separate issue, which is, the cia finding credible information that says, yes, the russians tried to interfere, drawing no, you know, conclusions about how it affected the election one way or another. >> the thing is, it's actually three questio

>> the same way other most ordinary americans did, reading about the fake news, saying john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign manager was along with hillary running a sex a pedophi ring out there. you know, there's nothing but pizza and ping-pong, and birthday parties and nothing else. we know the genesis of this story, is someone who went through the hacked e-mails of john podesta, basically found that he liked this pizzeria and this pizzeria had hosted a fund-raiser for hillary clinton. pizza plus hillary -- >> she addressed in this recent comments just yesterday on the hill. do you think this is ever going to end? >> the only way this can end is if somebody prominent like trump himself or one of his people stands up and disavows it. and i really feel as president-elect he has a responsibility to stand up and reject these false assertions that put real people at risk. and we also need better education to that people can distinguish fake news from real news. >> appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >>> next the robot economy and what it means for manufacturing jobs in america. j

election by hacking the dnc, and the hillary clinton campaigns, chairman john podesta?i understand of course the gravity and concerns of all countries that try to hit our systems and cyber attacks that are carried out on us every day. they're troubling to me, whether it is an election or it is something that is critical infrastructure, or it is a campaign of misinformation. now, i think as some of that, there needs to be clarity brought to this, wolf. you're not hacking into voting machines and with all the hype that is out there, there are some people who think my goodness, we're voting machines they're hacked into. >> sorry to interrupt but the president himself said after he spoke with putin in early september he said "cut it out" and there was, the president said this today, no hacking of voting machines, anything along those lines. there are other hacks that continue but the voting machines, the election system itself was not hacked but go ahead. >> that's right. there was no hacking into that voting system. the systems are controled pi our county, election commiss

joining me is john podesta. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning. >> let me start with this question, do you believe it was a free and fair election? >> i think the russians clearly intervened in the election. i think that now we know that both the cia, the director of national intelligence, the fbi all agree that the russians intervened helped trump and that as they have noted this week, nbc first revealed that vladimir putin was personally involved with that. so i think that people went to the polls. they cast their votes. hillary clinton got 2.9 million more votes than donald trump. but donald trump is claiming the electiooral college victory. tomorrow they will vote. >> you didn't answerhe question. do you believe it was a free and fair election? >> well, i think it was distorted bit rudistort ed by the russian intervention. >> let me ask you this then. >> a foreign adversary directly intervened into our democratic institution and tried to tilt the election to donald trump. i think that if you l

at politico and he was exposed when wikileaks released emails from clinton campaign chairman john podesta'sail account. in one those emails thrush told podesta and we're quoting now because i have become a hack i will send you the whole section that pertains to you. please do not share or tell anyone i did this. tell me if i fd. anything up. the "new york times" in its release described thrush renowned in the press corps as the democratic party sick fant as a premier journalist and stellar edition to our white house "time" team. across washington people who know him started laughing. thrush, of course, will be covering trump who he hates. if you don't believe that check out twitter account where it's all on full and fluid display horrific bombing killing women and church in cairo yesterday. horrific attack on christians overseas. does anyone care? we'll talk to the head bishop of the cop pick church. >>> fox news alert. donald trump is on twitter, breaking transition news at this hour. just minutes ago he tweeted this, quote: i will be making my announcement on the next secretary of state t

john podesta's e-mails were her g-mail account but without two-step verification. a single thing anybody can learn out of this, always have two-step verification on your e-mail. that's why john podesta's 60,000 e-mails, anyone can read them, because he didn't have two-step. >> he also kept 60,000 e-mails. i mean, e-mails going back ten years, he never deleted them. >> one of the things the guy who made the mistake in telling him that this was legitimate, said to me, which is not in the story, the fact they were repeatedly trying to convince podesta to get off of the g-mail, it was a security threat. how could he not have learned what hillary went through that he should get off his private e-mail? >> at one point, he had written a paper on cyber security. >> yes, on cyber issues. >> eric lipton, just, again, it's fascinating reporting. "the new york times" website. appreciate what you've done. it's incredible read, incredible read. >>> just ahead, gone but not forgotten. we're going to remember the 20 first graders and 6 adults gunned down inside sandy hook elemee e

the hack of the dnc, and the hack of john podesta. not much happens without vladamir putin. >> reporter: and the cia and fbi agree as to why. director john brennan telling the cia workforce in an internal message that "there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of russian interference in our presidential election." u.s. intelligence and law enforcement assess that moscow had multiple possible motives. undermine confidence in the vote. weaken hillary clinton. and help donald trump. today, the president said he delivered a stern warning to putin in september at the g-20 summit. >> when i saw president putin in china, i felt the most effective way to ensure that that didn't happen was to talk to him directly and tell him to cut out or there would be serious consequence it is he didn't. >> reporter: still tonight, u.s. officials say that russia's hacking of u.s. political organizations continues unabated. since the election, one attempted breach targeted the clinton campaign, though unsuccessfully. president-elect

clinton campaign chair john podesta is now supporting their demand. we're covering that and much more with our guest, including the former chair of the house intelligence committee. and the former assistant attorney general for national security, john carlin is standing by. our correspondents, our expert analysts, will be joining us. let's begin with cnn's phil mattingly. he's over at trump tower. a growing number of republican breaking with the president-elect and calling for a full investigation into russian interference in the presidential election. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's exactly right, wolf. the consensus among the intelligence community, it appears to be coalescing as you note on capitol hill. there appears to be very real momentum about a congressional investigation into the alleged russian hacking, but the president-elect is not backing down, continuing to attack and his advisors say the reasons are quite simple. they believe this has nothing to do with the hacking at all. instead it is a political play designed purely to undercu

john podesta siding with ten of those demanding. the bipartisan's letter raises grave in moments we'll be joined by representatives of both campaigning. but we begin with trace gallagher reporting our from our west coast newsroom. >> hi, shon non. the ten members of the electoral college say it's not their duty to rubber stamp the results but to instead investigate, discuss and dlib ra rate. they sent a letter to james clapper asking to be given an intel briefing before they cast their votes on december 19th, writing, quote, the elector is required to know from the intelligence community whether there are ongoing investigations between ties to donald trump, his campaign or associates and russian government interference in the election. the e lecters come on to say the information will help them decide whether mr. trump is fit to serve as president. the clinton campaign is backing this decision, despite repaid edly saying they're september the results. john podesta calls the group bipartisan but he should be noted that one of the ten

no evidence the outcome of the election was changed because of a couple of dozen, john podestae drk mailsmccain called for a bipartisan subcommittee investigation into russian hacking. well, today, elaine he went further, recommending a cyberwarfare select committee because of what he called a lack of strategy in combatting such attacks. >> errol barnett. thank you. >>> police in little rock, arkansas, are searching for a man who shot and killed a 3-year-old boy in an alleged road rage incident. police say the boy was shopping with his grandmother yesterday, they were at a stop sign when another driver got out of his car. apparently angry that they were slowing him down. and opened fire. the boy died at the hospital. >> it was a wedding day tragedy near los angeles yesterday. family and friend were taking pictures in a park when a tree crashed down on them. one person was killed. mireya villarreal has the the latest. >> dude, i watched this thing collapse. on a whole wedding party. >> reporter: in an instant the joyous occasion turned into tragedy. >> two minutes later this tree we hear i

the hack of the dnc and the hack of john podesta. but i will be honest with you, when you are talking about cyber security, a lot of it is classified and we're not going to provide it. >> reporter: mr. obama vowed to npr to retaliate against russia in a proportionate way. >> we need to take action. and we will at a time and place of our choosing. some of it may be explicit and publicized. some of it may not be. but mr. putin is well aware of my feelings about this, because i spoke to him directly about it. >> reporter: while his administration rebuffed a request for a briefing on the claims of russian cyber meddling, president obama referred to an assessment to that effect reached by the cia. mr. obama implied that that assessment is, quote, uniform across all 17 of the nation's spy agencies. >> unless the american people genuinely think that the professionals in the cia, the fbi, our entire intelligence infrastructure are less trustworthy than the russians, then people should pay attention to what our intelligence agencies sgagency

what kind of a senile grandfather falls for that -- >> you believe john podesta is a seen nile grandfather because he was the victim of a fishing attack? >> yes, but here's the more important point, too. i don't know who did the hacking to the dnc, podesta was not hacked, he fell for a scheme. the dnc was hacked, that is clear. who did it? i don't know. what we do know is what was revealed by the hack and what was revealed was a democratic party that was corrupt to its score, particularly when it involved their primary and bernie sanders. the more the american people learned about the democratic party and hillary clinton, the less they liked and trusted them. and it's one of the reasons we won. >> i don't think that's borne out by the data but let's talk for a minute about this idea that this was john podesta's fault. it does appear to have been a fishing link. criminal statutes on hacking include that kind of behavior so if you under false pretenses get someone's account through a fishing link, that's a criminal violation, just to be clear on what the law says hacking is. >> i'm not sayin

. >> meaning that they hacked into the dnc and john podesta. >> right. not votes but released those e-mails through wikileaks, et cetera. there's disagreement as to why they did it. our reporting is there is growing confidence in the intelligence community that the goal was to help donald trump. that's based in part on the fact that republicans officials and organizations were also hacked but not nearly as much information was made public. a former senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the inquiry tells cnn the investigation discovered russian hacking of republican entities, not just the democratic national committee and hillary clinton's top aid john podesta. cnn is told that hackers got hold of information from some republican house members, pundits, a third party entity that held data for the republican national committee and nonprofit groups tied to the party. most of the information relating to the republican party was not released by hackers. that in part led the intelligence community to assess that russia could have been acting

her campaign manager john podesta calling the agency, deeply broken.rmer house speaker newt gingrich, his reaction to all of this, still to come this morning on "america's newsroom." use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief i really did save hundreds on my car insurance with geico. i should take a closer look at geico... geico has a long history of great savings and great service. over seventy-five years. wait. seventy-five years? that is great. speaking of great, check out these hot riffs. you like smash mouth? uh, yeah i have an early day tomorrow so... wait. almost there. goodnight, bruce. gotta tune the "a." (humming) take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more. : . bill: fox news alert, syria suspending evacuations in the town of aleppo. russia claiming all women and children have been taken out. the u.n. and international aid group said people are trapped inside as the humanitarian cr

is john podesta in campaign mode? >> i don't think so at all.hey are avoiding relitigating the campaign. i think that -- we would like the truth. there's a lot of intelligence information about what the russians knew, what they did and how much trump was talking to the russians while this was going on. that's a fact. that's not conjecture. despite trump's midnight tweets and all that stuff. the only way i know how to resolve is this to go through the process to the end. the process to the end is, the electoral college votes tomorrow. i suspect they will confirm the election of donald trump. if they don't, then the next part of the process is that they go to the congress. that's all prescribed in law. the one case was actually worse than this was the 2000 decision to make george bush president. that was not prescribed in law. the supreme court actually put a halt to the vote count, which i think was a terrible invasion of the process. but this process is moving. it's ugly. the election was ugly. there's two more steps to go. we're going to find o

john podesta's i mail account. if there is a sickle thing.ways have two step verification on the e-mail. >> he also kept 60,000 e-mails. e-mails going back ten yearsing something. he had never deleted them. >> and one guy who made the mistake and telling this is legitimate said to me which was not not the story is the fact they were not -- repeat lid telling podesta to get off the e-mail. it was a security threat and how could he not have learned he should get ouch offer of his e-mail. he continued to do it. >> and at one point he had written a paper on cyber security. >> cyber issues. >> it's fascinating. "new york times" website. appreciate what you have done. incredible read. >> thank you so much. >> just ahead, gone but not forgotten. we're going to remember the 20 sixth graders and >>> four years ago today a gunman opened fire inside sandy hook elementary school killing 20 first graders and six adults. for their families, december 14th, 2012, is the day their world shattered. in the days that followed, we saw extraordinary courage and br

former campaign chairman john podesta is supporting calls for members of the electoral college to get an intelligence briefing on russian hacking, some asking for the information before they vote next week presumably to seal donald trump's victory. the president-elect may be just hours away from revealing his choice of secretary of state. sources say exxonmobil ceo rex tillerson remains the leader candidate. but there are increasing signs that tillerson may face a confirmation fight in the senate. some top gop senators are joining with democrats right now in raising red flags about tillerson's personal ties to russia. we're also following an unprecedented military move in disputed water where is tensions have boiled over before. china, flying nuclear capable bombers over the south china sea for the first time in an apparent warning to president-elect trump. this after trump questioned whether the united states should keep its long-standing policy that taiwan is part of one china. we'll get reaction to all of this from a democrat on the house intelligence committee andre carson. and ou

that's why i said there needs knob an independent investigation. >> john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign chairman, in his first interview since the election, expressing concern over russian interference during the campaign. podesta was the target of russian hacking. his private e-mails stolen and published on wikileaks in the months and weeks leading up to the election. they became a constant source of embarrassment for the clinton campaign. u.s. intelligence sources have exexpressed a high level of confidence the hacking was intended to help donald trump and that president putin authorized the cyber attacks. president obama before leaving for his holiday vacation vowed russia will face consequences for its hacking of the u.s. election. dimitri peskov, a spokesman for putin, responded to the allegations saying, "either stop talking or present some proof." for more on russia's role in all of this, i'm joined by naviyd jamali, former double agent who worked for the fbi against russia and author of "how to catch a russian spy." thanks for your time this afternoon. >> you got it. >> you were

. >> to your point of who knew, john podesta is really going after the fbi. i want to share a quote, comparing the fbi's massive response to the overblown e-mail scandal with seemingly lackadaisical response to a very real russian plot to subvert a national election shows that something is deeply broken at the fbi. he's basically saying it's the fbi's fault that clinton lost, but if you dig into "the new york times" reporting, john podesta, the dnc, the white house, they didn't take it seriously enough. >> well, there's a lot of criticism, at least some of it behind the scenes from democrats who think that the president should have acted sooner. and the official white house response, as you know, stephanie, is he didn't want to be seen as meddling in this and he had a private conversation with vladimir putin at a big international meeting. having said that, it's no secret what the clinton campaign believes happened in this election. remember that harvard session between the obama folks and the trump folks that got really loud and out of control and basically,

the questions about the cyber hack that affected the dnc, john podesta cho, by the way, is here todayinviting chiefs of staff including reince priebus the incoming chief of staff. but john podesta is here who penned an op-ed in the washington post about this subject. >> i'm sure we'll see it again but if past performance is a guide it's at this event where the president can get quite expansive at the end of the year. he has often taken more questions and led to a longer discussion than any other of the average press conferences during the year. >> yeah. this is an opportunity for him to weigh in on this in the post election atmosphere. he tried to temper what he had to say clearly in the days and weeks leading up in a formal capacity except at the rallies he did on behalf of hillary clinton. we don't have a situation where he's, i'm going to be blunt, where he's got a timetable where he has to get out of here. we have seen times he had places to go, people to see. he's leaving for hawaii tonight and will work with his speech writer on his farewell speech. we won't see it for hours aft

john podesta, rissotto recipe. but if you we are finding out that what were in john podesta's emails is what led to donald trump winning the election. people are having a difficult time trying to square those things considering the way it was treated before the election. charles: donald trump said if russia or some other entity were hack, why did the white house wait so long to act. why did they only complain after hillary lost? >> for sure. what we know is the russians hacked the white house. they hacked the joint chiefs of staff it wasn't until they got to the dnc that they got exorcised about this. hillary clinton mad allegations about putin rigging the russian elections. putin was furious about the comment. he accused her of having fomented demonstrations in moscow? what is putin up to if he was behind this? undermining hillary clinton. vladimir putin just like everyone else in the world expected hillary clinton to be elected president. and he hoped she would come into the office slightly undermined by this cam

we have a system and john podesta can't handle that. a party that once give us john f.ennedy and fdr now gives us this. what a farce. the second hour of "varney and company" is about to begin. look at this. dow, 20,000 is not that far away. one good rally and we are there. is it possible we are hit the dow 20,000 today or tomorrow? >> all the indicators are pointing in the right direction. another reading on connell super confidence came out just an hour ago. so what does that mean? it means people will want to shop for christmas and put their optimism to work in terms of spending money. we are in a great rally right now and we should all enjoy it. there is no question. >> explain to me, we have interest rates going up tomorrow and on the 10-year treasury. gas prices are going up 14 days in a row. those should all be negatives for the stock markets, why are we going up? >> in terms of interest rates it's a seen it economy has gained snuff strength to raise interest rates and get off this quick fix of zero% interest for such a long time. that's a huge change in the land

bill: john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign manager, from sunday. the russians clearly for hillary clinton's loss in part, calling president-elect trump vladimir putin's lap dog. karl rove, former white house deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and a fox news contributor, in studio today. nice to to see you, sir. >> good to be here. bill: merry christmas. >> merry christmas to you. bill: it's a special day. >> well, thank you. with. bill: podesta said russia clearly intervened. to what extent, and when do we see the evidence? >> well, look, we know they were behind the hacking. i accept the word of the cia. bill: you do? >> i do. this ought to be thoroughly investigated by the regular committees of congress, senate and the house intelligence committee, in my opinion. but to what effect? the day before the october 7th wikileaks release in the real clear politics average, hillary clinton was at 48%, and on election day she got 48.08%. the absence of a compelling message to vote for her, a dreadful candidate who came down to the end and s

people actually believe a conspiracy theory that hillary manager, john podesta, ran a child sex ring at a pizzeria in d.c. this is a lie. we all know the only people who are trapped in a pizza place are those robots at chuck e. cheese. ( laughter ) i've seen "westworld." one day they're going to rise up and kill us all. now, according to the folks with the spider eggs hatching in their brains, clinton and podesta have a series of smuggling tunnels that connect but police refused to investigate the basement crime scene on the flimsy excuse that the pizzeria does not have a basement. ( laughter ) that's how deep this goes-- ground level. so where did this conspiracy theory start? apparently some alt-right folks were combing through clinton campaign emails hacked by russia and published by wikileaks and noticed there seemed to be more expected, which can only mean one thing: secret sex ring. ( laughter ) a lot of uninformed, gullible people fell for the clinton-podesta sex ring theory, people like trump's pick for national security advisor, michael flynn, who tweeted out a link, writing

clinton's press rep wrote to john podesta, "i hope you got a chance to see 'the colbert report's' twopecial episodes i had them do about c.g.i.-u." now, i am flattered that this guy considered it an achievement that he somehow booked president clinton on my basic cable news parody puppet show. ( laughter ) but because this staffer took credit for getting bill on the show, they think i'm on hillary's payroll. for the record: she can't afford me. ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) but-- but i've got to say, this email blows the lid off of what the illuminati call "talk shows," and no one blows lid quite like host of "info wars," trump advisor and alien sasquatch love child, alex p. jones. >> john, i hope you got the chance to see "the colbert report's" two special episodes. so "the colbert report" special episodes-- that was the title of it-- that's what they're doing is, is every major media outlet coordinating, scripting it. you don't need to know that when obama goes on "jimmy fallon live" and has some scripted piece riffing off of jazz and it's all perfectly done, it's all choreog

>> there's going to be an investigation, john podesta needn't worry.o-year investigation. this is going to cover the first couple of years of donald trump's administration. but the thing that is most surprising to me are all of the clinton campaign officials, and even hillary clinton herself, going out and blaming absolutely everybody but themselves for a loss that should have never occurred. they are blaming vladimir putin. now vanity fair has a story out, they are blaming huma abedin, basically everybody, just like they blamed mark penn in 2008. in 2016 it's huma, it's comey, it's the russians. which is all very good news for republicans, because nobody's coming to terms with the fact that they lost to wisconsin for the first time since 1984, lost michigan and pennsylvania for the first time since 1988. they've lost the industrial midwest. and mark, is this not the first time somebody's lost an election and there hasn't been any hand wringing? nobody's looking inwards saying what did we do wrong. it's one of the worst run campaigns in the history of

i also believe that -- i am not certain that they were involved in the hacking of john podesta's e-mails. may or may not. that i am not -- >> why aren't you -- why aren't you certain about that? >> based on briefings i've gotten. >> briefings from -- without giving us names but briefings by various law enforcement or national security intelligence agencies? >> combination of both. and i can also tell you this, that i don't know where this conclusion comes from that the cia has said that they know the intent. because we have been briefed recently by the intelligence community, including director clapper, the head of the director of national intelligence, saying that they've not concluded what the intent of the russians were, whether it was to favor donald trump or just to destabilize the election. they started this long before donald trump was the nominee, long before even he was thought to be a serious contender. so i think that is something that's being leaked out. i think it's unfair and could possibly be illegal if they're leaking that out. i tell you, the house intelligence committee

the left seems to forget john podesta e-mails. he is the son of the national security advisor general michael flynn. he has a transition e-mail address as well. we reached out to the trump transition team, but so far no comment. >>> pamela brown, thank you. so joe biden may not be riding off into the sunset. the outgoing vice president was on capitol hill monday. as he left the senate, he was asked about his plans for what he would do after leaving office in january. listen to this. >> you going to run again? >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> i'm going to run in 2020. >> for what? >> for president. you know, what the hell. anyway. >> we're going to run with that, sir. you dropped that. >> that's okay. no, but i enjoyed every minute of my time here in the senate. >> just to be clear, were you kidding about running for president in 2020? >> i'm not committing not to run. i'm not committing to anything. i learned a long time ago. >> that was a long pause before that answer. all right. joe biden will turn 78 shortly after the 2020 election. he

john podesta joining us in the excuse and blame game. writing in a "washington post" op-ed, something is deeply broken at the f.b.i. joining me now the washington bureau chief at the new york post and washington times columnist, tammy bruce. let's start with the president and his so-called final press conference. he backed up his story about hack an election and it was -- was reduced to a narrow line of hack the dnc. >> he said you would have to be delusional to think the election could be hacked when they thought hillary was wing. an nbc report says sources inside the white house says he did not do anything about the hacking because they thought hillary was going to win and they didn't want to risk a cyber war. talk about situational ethics. if the situation were to benefit him he could do nothing about it even though it would benefit the united states. he's always come out sounding a little haggard. lou: he was halting, stammering throughout much of this press conference, his last talking it seemed endlessly. but it all toomentd a rati