john thune said not so fast. the menu of options that they are looking at is cutting the funding to the special koun tell and the places that came up repeatedly in going forward in the larger context of a funding fight that is just getting started on the capitol hill. meanwhile in the u.s. senate, you have republicans warning them not so fast. this is the two rep, representative john thune. >> obviously, we need accountability and overought but are we gets rid of the justice department? no. there you have it. a senior member saying it is a bad idea. no matter what the house of representatives is able to pass out of their chamber, and there are moderate republicans in this chamber also concerned about cutting the funding to the justice department, because they have to send the bill over to the u.s. senate, because and that means that a number of democrats have to back it, and the ma joy ti leader that you are seeing bethank you for reporting for us from capitol hill. >> and now, joining in julian, and thank you fo

thank you, lauren fox. >> and still nothing from john thune.ffin, and trump's indictment is creating a divide obviously in the gop, and the republican hopefuls, and a divide, and whole lot on one, and little lopsided of the divide, but some of them are truly defending him. take a listen. >> reading that indictment and looking at selective omissions of both fact and law, then i'm more convinced that a pardon is the right answer here. >> we shouldn't be promising and holding out with the fig leaf of a pardon, because that is undermining the jury system, and we don't need a commander in chief who disregards the nation's secrets. >> and he says something interesting, don't dangle it out because it is going to be correct or not. >> yes, and the republicans in the house have played a big role in politicizing it in the justice department, but you can't deny the second factor in this that it is posing a grave risk for national security, and for tim scott, and nikki haley, you can have any thoughts tbt doj, but you cannot ignore the blatant facts out he

john thune thought it would be tomorrow and now shehe says tonight. maybe if i stay away it will be this afternoon. >> i don't know if it will move that quickly. do you think this is a hard vote for democrats? >> no, i don't. it gets down to a bottom line question. do we want to default on the national debt for the first time in our history. do we want to endanger families and businesses who could see interest rates really start hurting and their savings start diminishing? the answer to all of those is an obvious no. if that's the case, you have to vote bottom line to pass this measure. do i like all of it? no. that's the nature of congress and compromise. >> a lot of people upset about the process and upset too about what is in the bill, what may not be in the bill in some cases. senator kane is very upset about the inclusion of a pipeline that is a pet project of joe manchin's, that would go from west virginia into kane's state, virginia. why do you think the white house blindsided kane with that? >> i don't know the answer to that. i can tell you t

i caught up with number two senate republican john thune who mass been quiet up until now. are serious allegations and he did not align himself with house republican efforts to try to discredit the special counsel and go after the justice department even as thoers rush to donald trump's defense. >> well, they're very serious allegations, and the burden of proof of the justice department will be high. i think there are a lot of people across the country who have skepticism about the standards of justice and how they're applied and wanting to make sure they're applied equally. >> it sounds like he may have obstructed the investigation, made false statements to prosecutors. does that worry you? >> i don't know anything about that now. they obviously got what they wanted. i don't know whether he obstructed or not. >> i wouldn't be culling out the drapes for a new phish building. >> the last comment, what the fbi has been pushing for, a new building, a new headquarters in the washington, d.c. area. both he and speaker mccarthy indicating that won't go forward. expecting other ef

we have not heard from the number two republican john thune. we have hrd john ba razzo who tries to cut a more conservative cloth and tries to stand out. and he before the indictment was unsealed that did not mention donald trump but made the same claims as double standards. but 100%. senate republicans have been much more open in seeing that donald trump they don't want him as their candidate. they don't think he can win. again, they have firsthand experience with this, right? a lot of folks including them expected home to win the senate last cycle. democrats were not only able to hang on to it but pick a up a see i think it's a very interesting dichotomy on the hill because we have that's house republicans and being his loud defenders and some edging away from him and some are them are saying openly he's not our guy. laura: there are so many things we can pick up from this indictment. i know a lot of things have been reported by the two of you. but some of the dialogue here in this july 21st, 2021 interview that -- conversation that he had at

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mcconnell and john thune have been notably silent, we should note.expect any faction of -- i don't want to say moderate republicans because, you know, mitch mcconnell and john thune and mitt romney are not moderate, they're conservative. but sane republicans, i don't know what term to use anymore. but non-maga republicans to vocally and actively distance themselves from trump in the coming days? >> so i think sane, that's what i try to use. governing or actually, you know, country over party republicans. no, i don't think you're going to -- i'm sure mitt romney if he hasn't put out a statement will. you know, there's a few, i think mitch mcconnell will stay quiet. what you'll see, jake, because i've lived this for as many years as donald trump was president, where as a rank-and-file member republican, you're sitting around, probably canceling all your events this weekend, and waiting for somebody to come forward with some powerful nuanced argument that you can use including things like, well, we now have to let the trial take place. and so i think wh

. >> and christine, from top republicans, john thune putting out a statement saying that i am seeing the way he is talking about it is very similar to the other republican reaction coming from capitol hill is that the plan that biden had put forward was unserious scheme to force 87% of the americans who do not have student loan debt to bear the cost of 13% of americans who do so, and anybody frustrated by the decision should direct their complaint to the white house where they knew this executive order would be struck down by the courts and did nothing to absorb the exorbitant costs in higher education. and exorbitant costs in higher education is something that we have talked about so many times, because when it is coming up, and the way i often describe it is any of the efforts is a band-aid over a gaping wound which is the cost of higher education is too high. >> yeah, and the term is moral hazard. and four-year private college is $58,000 a year, and public in-state is $30,000 a year, and there is nowhere in the economy where you have seen inflation for something that is so necessa

you look at the senate side, people like john thune, one of the top republicans in the senate, saying, we lost in '18. we lost in '20. t in '22. this is not a winning strategy, to stick with a guy like the former president. >> to take what nicole just said, she used the phrase daylight. is there daylight emerging in the presidential race? you've been talking to senator tim scott, and former ambassador, nikki haley and others. how is this going to affect the republican race, beyond governor christie? >> what's so remarkable, if you take a step back, this week, a republican front-runner for the presidential nomination, indicted. charged with mishandling national security by the federal government. you would think that would be a huge opening for republcans who are vying to go and that have position to go after him. and yet, we haven't seen a real cohesive strategy on behalf of republicans to take down donald trump. we've seen a lot of republicans get into the race. the virtue of the candidacies is they sense there's an opening of vulnerability with trump. but they're loathe to cross him

i would say john thune's estimate as to what might happen may be accurate but perhaps we're in a rune senate. there's a sense of purpose here. we understand that defaulting on america's debt for the first time in history is just unacceptable for the damage it would do. there's a sense of urgency because we just have a few days before time runs out. and some of the players that are negotiating at this moment are good faith players. i've worked with many of them in the past. i think we can reach a point where we have a finite number of amendments and get them done in a serious way, maybe even late tonight. >> let's talk about that. look, you've been there long enough to know that this isn't just about getting it moving quickly so people can go home for the weekend. the longer it goes on, the more chances for something to cause a problem. senator thune said he has heard from at least a dozen gop offices and at least one democrat interested in amendments. are there still that many, first of all, and what are those conversations like? are they moving slowly? are they moving more quickly?

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as does john thune, who supports senator tim scott. yet to weigh in on this issue.howing the persistent divide within the party over donald trump, and also, dana, most members are gone that -- really nobody left here in the capitol tonight. they are not here until next week. the people speaking out are the vocal ones. a lot of them are quiet, waiting to see the details to weigh in if they weigh in at all. >> manu, thank you so much for that. we can hear the echoes in the halls there. and erin, what we just read, it is from the house speaker, i think, to me, the most striking part of it is, it is unconscionable for a president to indict the leading candidate opposing him. that just frames it exactly the way that republicans will be doing it, not that this is something that is happening to a former president, but to somebody who wants to be president again. making it a political -- alleging that it's political. >> absolutely. and saying the president is doing it as opposed to a special counsel, right, who was given those powers, of course. thank you, dana. let's get r

we have not heard anything from senate republican leader mitch mcconnell, or his number two, john thune. mcconnell is publicly neutral in this campaign, but he wants to move past the trump era, as this john thune, who supports senator tim scott. yet to weigh in on this issue, showing the persistent divide within the party over donald trump, and also dana. -- most of them are not here until next. week so, really, the only people who are speaking out of the vote ones. a lot of them are quiet now, and waiting to see the details before they weigh in, if they weigh in at all. >> manu, thank you so much for that reporting. and we can hear the echoes in the halls. and erin, what he just read, it is from the house speaker, it is to me -- it is unconscionable for president to indict the leading candidate opposing him. that just frames it exactly the way that republicans will be doing, and not that this is something that is happening to a former president, but to somebody who wants to be president again. making it a political, alleging that it's political. >> right, absolutely. and saying the pre

also the number two senate republican, john thune, silence from him as well. thune has supported one of his rivals in the race, tim scott. and we're seeing this down the line, a number of republicans on the senate side staying quiet on this right now. and they have the liberty of doing that because right now congress is gone until next week, both the house and the senate side. so, only if members want to respond, they will. they're not going to be approached from the hallways because they're gone from the capitol right now. we do expect the speaker of the house to issue a statement sometime soon, likely in defense of the president. and on the democratic side, senate majority leader chuck schumer has not weighed in yet, neither has hakeem jeffries, as some democrats have pushed back on the republican attacks and probed about the charges. >> it is fascinating to hear republicans talking about defunding the fbi, defunding the department of justice. >> yeah. and that is coming from some of the rank and file members. that is not yet coming from any of the members o

there's john thune, the number two republican in the senate has reason to be concerned, because trump20, and '22. >> if you renominate donald trump you get the chaos and the drama and the retribution and the grievances of donald trump, and not about anything else republicans want to talk about. it won't be a referendum on the biden administration. john thune is saying out loud what a lot of republicans are saying quietly, but the party seems to be unable to break with donald trump. they just can't quit him. despite the fact that what john thune just said is clearly obvious, and what "the wall street journal" editorial board is saying, if he does win you won't get what you want because he can't control himself, and we have known this for year. everything that played out now is manifesting everything we have known from donald trump from the beginning and yet republicans refuse to take that off-ramp. it's interesting john thune is speaking out and it's interesting "the wall street journal" that took an odd stand on the original indictment is now coming around to saying, look, all of this

one of them i just spoke to, senator john thune. said they are serious allegations detailed in this indictment. he did not align himself with house gop efforts to discredit the special prosecutor. >> well, they're very serious allegations. and the burden of proof of the justice department will be high. i think there's a lot of people across the country who have skepticism about the standards of justice and how they're applied and wanting to make sure they're applied equally. >> it says he may have obstructed the investigation, made false statements to prosecutors, does that worry you? >> i don't know about that. they got what they wanted. i don't know whether he obstructed or not. >> i wouldn't be pulling back the drapes and the curtains of the new fbi building. >> the last comments from kelly to fund a new fbi headquarters. armstrong making clear right there, congress is probably not going to go along with that. that was echoed by speaker mccarthy who has been critical of this investigation and the indictment against donald trump.

you heard from john thune saying these are serious allegations, as well as john cornyn, another memberpublicans who want to take action. including taking steps, like defending the special counsel's office. that's an idea that marjorie taylor greene talked about this. they discussed it in a house freedom caucus meeting. it shows you the lengths that some republican allies of the former president are going to defend him. you have many that have yet to comment, including the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell. >> the dan crenshaw thing. you have a conservative republican thing, that defended trump on some things but is a pro-national security republican. we'll see where that goes. appreciate the reporting, lauren. thank you. >>> russia is targeting ukrainian civilians yet again. coming up, the latest missile strikes and the search and rescue efforts that are underway now. >>> also, new this morning, a woman told 911 she felt thre threatened, moments before firing a shot through a door, killing her neighbor, an unarmed mother of four. ...you deserve a little me time. with 24

not all republican lawmakers are jumping to trump's defense like kevin mccarthy or steve scalise, john thunemitch mcconnell. nothing. >> well, silence would be recommended until you see the evidence, until you see the charges. that would seem to be the smart way to go and the right way to go and the righteous way to go. i think what's going to happen, stephanie, is that you're going to see a lot of the candidates in the republican primary, let's just take ron desantis as an example, i think what he'll do -- first of all, the thing donald trump hates more than anything is the perception of a loser. so desantis is going to say i'm a winner or he's a loser. and listen, this is guy twice impeached, now twice indicted, maybe more to come, and the first guy since grover cleveland almost a hundred years to not only lose the presidency, but to lose the house and the senate. so i still think this is a political attack from the justice department and the biden administration and the democrats, but we just can't afford to ride on this titanic any longer. the ship is going down. >> you know who can affo

just take a listen to john thune, a member of senate gop leadership. >> we've lost three elections inthe issue in every one of those elections, and i don't think getting into this tit for tat where it's a race to the bottom to see who can retaliate against whom from one administration to the next is the way to lead the country forward. >> reporter: meanwhile, senate gop leader mitch mcconnell has continued to remain silent about the federal indictment of the former president, but it is a very different story in the house where speaker kevin mccarthy has vowed accountability for the department of justice. in fact, top republicans in the house are vowing to use every tool at their disposal to try to undermine the finding of that investigation, whether it's subpoenas or spending bills. house judiciary chairman jim jordan said he wants to investigate the investigation. he's already demanded documents, likely to seek testimony from jack smith, although that's unlikely to succeed. there's active discussions of trying to use spending bills to restrict funding for at least portions of the fbi

at hard in his first interview when he announced, but i thought it was interesting, shane, what john thune said. let's listen. >> obviously we need accountability and oversight, the job that we have to make sure they're doing their job the right way, but are we going to get rid of the justice department? no. and i think defunding it is a really bad idea. >> increasingly on an island in his party or no? >> he's in the leadership of his party in the congress, but he is not in the mainstream of where republican primary voters seem to be based on comments of other trump rivals. it's not trump or ron desantis, talking about weaponization, ending the justice department as they see it, replacing the fbi director. the new mainstream of the republican party even if thune is top ranking. >> the piece by your colleagues in the "times" today, a bigger picture we need to think about this and what it means. >> what does it mean, bigger picture? when you have an effort as well to delegitimize some of these institutions and to come into question whatever charges may be filed and to immediately label somet

john thune, number two republican, silent.fense including speaker of the house kevin mccarthy showing divide of the upper ranks of the republican w to deal with donald trump. mccarthy rushing toiz h defense last night indicating that they plan to use the power of the house the go after the justice department saying in a tweet that it is unconscionable to indict a opposing candidate. and he said that i, and every american who believes in the rule of law stand with president trump against this grave injustice, and the house of representatives will hold the department of justice accountable. and it was actually the trump's own attorneys that it is broader than that, because it is involving obstruction of justice, and other charges aside from the handling of documents, and we have not seen the charges at all, and even as the republicans are vowing to go after the justice department, it is unclear exactly what they mean by that, and if they are going to be using subpoena power to go after the special counsel, but there are some rep

i talked to the number two republican, john thune, who is deep in these negotiations to try to get this bill passed as soon as tonight. he is having discussions with some members, including senator lindsey graham and others who are demanding certain things. one thing that lindsey graham wants is some sort of insurance from democratic leaders and republican leaders that they will move on a ukraine funding package sometime later this year. there's also some concerns about defense funding and the level of defense funding in this plan. the deal that was cut between mccarthy and the white house would level out funding, provide the funding under the biden proposal, the biden administration's defense spending proposal. that is not far enough for a number of these hawks on the republican side of the aisle who believe it needs to be much further. all these concerns are significant because one senator, single senators can delay matters until past the monday default deadline. they need to get all 100 to agree to schedule the vote. at the moment they don't have the agreement. this all comes as sena

senator john thune, the number two senate republican saying members may be able to catch a flight outw morning and that would be good news for both members and people cheering for the deadline to be met here, but at the same time we won't know anything on the firm timing of this probably until around after lunchtime and that's when we expect a lot of these senators will talk about it on their caucus lunches and then get onboard with the actual plan, but again, if all hundred senators come to the table and say all right, we want to do this as quickly as possible, they can decide to do that, and they'll probably have to do votes on amendments in order to get there and we're not sure what the timetable looks like yet. >> mike, president biden and the white house made a big effort to get house democrats onboard, what are they going to do on the senate. >> it is a president the knows very well and we've seen a situation where the white house was managing different blocks of votes in the house, progressives, moderates and some immediate rats and one of the big ones coming from virginia tim

we have not hear from the republican whip john thune. ment, john, we really never got an answer from mcconnell on what his view was. instead just responding to our colleague manu raju at the time when he returned from the senate after falling that he might have hit his head but he had not hit it that hard, in other words, dodging the question all together, john. >> dodging the question. i'm curious to see as we move forward what the defense will be of this transcript where donald trump seems to be showing others secret classified national security documents. keep us posted as to what you hear. lauren fox up on capitol hill. sara? >> john, we just got this in. former vice president mike pence has called the u.s. attorney general, merrick garland, and demanded that he unseal the federal indictment that we have been hearing about. he has called merrick garland's office and made this demand, saying that he thinks the justice department should release this before the sun sets today. i want to clarify he called on merrick garland, didn't talk t

john thune endorsed tim scott walking that line that lot of republicans find themselves in saying thatious. that at least is a reality based argument. and i'd just encourage all of us not to get wrapped up in the horse race polling and how does it play with the republican primary voter and just say this is about equal justice under law and that principal -- >> notably you can't group all republicans or all republicans running for president in the same group. listen to asa hutch einson tryi to explain why his colleagues are doing this. >> i'll say they made a political calculation that they don't want to offend donald trump, they didn't want to offend anybody in the base. and i'm saying these issues are too important not to state your honest views on this and to take a -- to take a bow or to step away from the honest evaluation of where we are as a country. an seriousness of these charges. >> what he's saying there is exactly right. it is what you heard chris christie say a version of. and notably these are two former prosecutors running for president and saying their colleagues are tip

[ applause ] chair john thune and house conference chair, cathy mcmorris rodgers did they forget yourn? i don't know [ laughter ] what's going on here john cornyn everybody, now, they didn't put his name up, but that's okay. that's the first time that's ever happened. >> seth: do you mean that's the first time that's never happened [ laughter ] you just said his name do you not remember? you looked right at him. [ laughter ] makes sense trump has the memory of a goldfish, since he also has the mouth of one [ cheers and applause this is starting to feel like the last season of a long-running tv show where the writers decide to have the main character fall off a horse, and get amnesia. "hi, i'm donald. "hi, donald. i'm john." "who's donald? [ laughter ] trump, of course, was there to crow about his state of the union address, and bask in the adoration of his fellow republicans. trump even suggested that after a slow first few months in office he's gone above, and beyond what he promised voters on the campaign trail. >> i was there four months, you know this paul, and they were saying he

that is not being embraced particularly among top senate republicans or the number two republican, john thunee need a justice department, a law enforcement agency and these ideas obviously we need accountability and oversight. the job we have to make sure they're doing the job the right way, but are we going to get rid of the justice department? no. and i think defunding it is a really bad idea. >> missing the obvious. somebody that has hundreds and hundreds of top secrets in his house. showing it to uncleared people and then lied about it. i'm not in the mood for defending that. >> we should impeach merrick garland. clearly abusing power of his position. we ought to impeach director wray as well. >> reporter: and that last comment coming from congressman bob good. member of that far right house freedom caucus. members who pushed to go further. further than the republican leadership wanted and putting more pressure on speaker mccarthy in the days ahead. mccarthy himself supported efforts by the house judiciary committee chairman jim jordan to seek records from merrick garland about the search

also, the number two senate republican, john -- silence from it as well. thuneported one of his rivals in the, race tim scott. we're seeing this down the line. a number of republicans on the senate side, staying quiet on this right now. they have the liberty of doing that, anderson, because right now, congress has gone until next week. both in the house in the senate side. only members want to respond, they will. they're not going to be approached in the hallways, they're all gone from the capital right now. we do expect the speaker of the house, to issue a statement, sometime soon. likely in defense of the president. and on the democratic side, the leadership to, quite. senate majority leader, chuck schumer, has not weighed in. neither is the house democratic leader, hakeem jeffries. as some democrats have pushed back on the republican attacks, and crude about the charges. >> it is fascinating, manu, to hear republicans talking about defunding the fbi. defunding the department of justice. >> yeah, that is coming from some of the rank and file members. that is n

trump, but it is a slightly different story in the senate over there you have mitch mcconnell and john thunenumber one and number two senate republicans respectively and they have been silent so far. both men, of course, have not made any secret of their distaste for the former president, but this divide between house and senate gop leaders really speaks to the broader divide in the gop about donald trump, and whether he should be the presidential nominee. and that divide likely only to grow deeper in the weeks and months ahead. melanie zinona, capitol hill, cnn. >>> now, donald trump has fiercely condemned the indictment over his handling of classified documents, but it's worth noting that in the past he's called for severe consequences against those who mishandle sensitive files. you probably remember the chants of lock her up regarding hillary clinton. cnn's k-file uncovered more examples, here's more. >> reporter: when he fires james comey, he says that comey was leaking classified information to the press, he did an interview with "time" magazine around that time where he says classifie

but on capitol hill, republicans like senator john thune are not impressed.s are still struggling. 9 out of 10 americans are worried about higher prices. in fact, it's the number one. >> issue for both democrats and republicans and powell says more rate hikes are likely inflation pressures continue to run high in the process of getting inflation back down to 2% as a long way to go. and that's why, again, more interest rate hikes are expected. in fact, americans should expect 2 more interest rate hikes in the near future. >> live in washington. alexandra thank you, alex. >> we'll take a break here at 6.22. coming up on the kron 4 morning news. former theranos ceo elizabeth holmes objects to an order which requires her to pay her victims after she's released. we'll hear why she released. we'll hear why she chec my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. >> it's 6.25. and new this morning, 9 more wo

but on capitol hill, republicans like senator john thune are not impressed.sts americans are still struggling. 9 out of 10 americans are worried about higher prices back. it's the number one. >> issue for both democrats and republicans. >> how says that the fed will likely raise interest rates at least 2 more times before the end of this year. after that start as early as next month. he says that has not been determined. for now in washington, raquel martin, back to you. thank you so much. still ahead, the city of san jose is celebrating a new development that they say. >> benefit seniors and low income families. but first, after the canada wildfires, health officials are looking in to air quality all across the country. we'll hear from stanford medicine's children's health about the effects of for your health this afternoon. it may not seem like it, but california is officially in wildfire season and we know from past years. >> and what has been going on on the east coast? the summer wildfires are growing increasingly more widespread and harmful. so now heal

. >> and christine, from top republicans, john thune putting out a statement saying that i am seeing the way he is talking about it is very similar to the other republican reaction coming from capitol hill is that the plan that biden had put forward was unserious scheme to force 87% of the americans who do not have student loan debt to bear the cost of 13% of americans who do so, and anybody frustrated by

we should also note that we haven't heard from john thune, the republican whip who also has been very republicans would like to move on beyond donald trump. they don't want to be involved in the day-to-day nitty-gritty responding to everything that the former president does. obviously they are going to have to respond when they return to washington next week. this is going to be the first question at a republican press conference on tuesday that lawmakers hold, but there is a reason that they are holding back, and part of that is they believe that it's just not worth defending the former president. >> says a lot. what is not said says a whole lot. lauren fox, thank you for the reporting. >> thanks, buddy. >>> one of president trump's former attorneys, tim palatore will join us live. he said the classified documents were photo copies, we'll ask him about that and all of this now that charges have been brought. ♪ jitterbug! ♪ [ giggles loudly ] ♪ jitterbug! ♪ [ giggles loudly ] ♪ jitterbug! ♪ [ giggles loudly ] ♪ jitterbug! ♪ [ giggles loudly ] [ tapping ] you put the boom-boom into my

but on capitol hill, republicans like senator john thune are not impressed. boone says americans are still struggling. 9 out of 10 americans are worried about higher prices. in fact, it's the number one. >> issue for both democrats and republicans and powell says more rate hikes are likely inflation pressures continue to run high in the process of getting inflation back down to 2% as a long way to go. >> powell says the federal reserve will continue to raise interest rates and it's possible we could see 2 more hikes in the near future in washington. alexandra limon. >> thank you very much, alex. it is 9.18 and the u.s. supreme court has made a ruling on the indian child welfare act. the justices have rejected an attack from republican led states that argued the system was based on race. it was in 1978 act which was enacted to address concerns that native children were being separated from their families and all too frequently replaced in non native homes. justice amy coney barrett wrote for the majority saying that the issues are complicated, but in the end t

>> well, the republican minority whip, john thune just briefed reporters not too long ago, and he saidt they are still, you know, kind of at a bit of a holdup in terms of a time agreement to get this vote moving, and he said that things were trending now more toward tomorrow for this vote as opposed to later tonight, but he said anything's possible at this point. right now they are haggling over the types of amendments that will be voted on to kind of appease the group of senators that are upset about the content of this bill. you see some of the possible amendments that could end up on the floor, one that would cut spending more than what the current bill proposes. there's also an amendment by senator tim kaine of virginia to strip approval far pipeline that is scheduled to be built in west virginia. he and mark warner oppose this effort that senator joe manchin fought to get included in this bill. then there is also a push by senator lindsey graham to get more military aid into this spending package. he believes it's insufficient to help ukraine in terms of their fight against russia

senate, and we have not heard from the minority leader mitch mcconnell and the republican whip john thuneves, it is different. house leader kevin mccarthy has repeatedly defended the former president, and jim jordan is the chairman of the house judiciary committee, and the rank and file members are coming to the president's defense, and here are a few of them. >> if he wants to store material in a box in the bathroom or a box on the stage, he can do that. that is just what the law and the standard is. so, again, i think that this underscores how political this whole thing is. >> president trump will have his day in court, but espionage charges are absolutely ridiculous. whether you like trump or not, he did not commit espionage, and he did not disseminate, leak or provide information to a foreign power or news organization to damage this country, and he is not a spy. >> we will get obviously more comments from the lawmakers as they are get back to washington, sara, and it is important the note that thursday when we got the news of the indictment friday, lawmakers were not in washington, a

chuck grassley, mitch mcconnell, the minority leader, jerry moran, lisa murkowski, mitt romney, john thune, thom tillis, and todd young are the republicans who voted yes on the legislation. 17 republicans joining 44 democrats and two independents, the final vote in the senate. 63 voting yes, and 36 voting no. before the vote, it was mitch mcconnell on the floor of the senate talking about the debt limit agreement. this is some of what he had to say. >> last night and an overwhelming majority of our house colleagues voted to pass the agreement speaker mccarthy reached with president biden. in doing so, they took an urgent and important step in the right direction. for the health of our economy, and the future of our country. the fiscal responsibility act avoids catastrophic consequences of a default on our nations debt. just as importantly it makes the most serious headway in years toward curbing washington democrats reckless spending. the bill in the house just past has the potential to cut federal spending by $1.5 trillion. now the senate has a chance to make that important progress a rea

>> now we just heard from number two in the senate, john thune.e's the whip, he's the vote counter here. he just told my colleague frank thorpe a couple of moments ago this is all about 2024. he did not defend the former president's conduct. he endorsed someone else for president already. he's concerned about the election process when it comes to not only reelecting somebody in the white house, electing a republican hopefully, but also having republicans flip the senate here and hold onto the house. >> and so steve, the indictment is out there for people to read now and the new polling suggests that americans do believe what is in this indictment, that the former president illegally removed classified documents from the white house. break it all down for us. >> we're starting to get some interesting numbers, excuse me, and obviously a bit of a politically volatile situation. you had all the activities yesterday. you had trump speaking last night. you're getting reaction from lawmakers and other folks in politics. we'll see how it all shakes out in

john thune? mitch mcconnell? would be recommended until you see the evidence. until you see the charges. that would seem to be the smart way to go, and the right way to go. and the righteous way to go, i think what's gonna happen, stephanie, is that you're going to see a lot of the candidates of the republican primaries, let's just take one desantis as an example. i think what he will do is, first of all, the thing that donald trump hates more than anything is being in the perception of a loser. so desantis is going to say, i'm a winner, he is a loser, and listen. this is a guy who has been twice impeached, now twice indicted, maybe more to come. and the first guy since grover cleveland, almost 100 years to not only lose the presidency, but to lose the house and the senate. so i think this is still a political attack from the justice department and the biden administration, and the democrats. but we just cannot afford to ride on this titanic any longer. the ship is going down. >> you know who can afford anything?

but on capitol hill, republicans like senator john thune are not impressed. boone says americans are still struggling. 9 out of 10 americans worried about higher prices. in fact, it's the number one issue for both democrats and republicans. and powell says more rate hikes are likely inflation pressures continue to run high in the process of getting inflation back down to 2% as a long way to go. and again, powell says that americans should expect more interest rate hikes and in fact, 2 rate hikes are expected in the near future live in washington. alexandra limon. all right, alexandra, thanks for that update. there. >> well, still to come on the kron, 4 morning news, former theranos o was it next to order which requires her to pay her victims after she is rele lowe's knows you never come in for just one thing. so we've got to know a lot of things about a lot of things. like which mower makes the cut. the mulch that finishes the look. and picking a color that pops. you got this. we got you. tv: try tide power pods with 85% more tide in every pod. who needs that

. >> that's the number two senate republican, south dakota's john thune, voicing concerns yesterday about of the conservative web site the bulwark, our friend, charlie sykes. great to see you again. let's start there with senator thune and his acknowledgment that when trump has been the central issue that has not been great for republicans in recent years. sounds like our friend joe scarborough's list, and then also suggesting that that could be a problem again this time around, even setting aside the idea of the white house. if trump is at the top of the ticket, that could cost the republicans the house and senate. what do you think? >> no kidding. if he's concerned about drama and chaos, strap in because we've got a taste of what the next year and a half is going to be like. that was a very clear-eyed analysis, and it's remarkable that other leading republicans aren't more vocal about it. look, from donald trump is the nominee, 2024 becomes a referendum on donald trump. donald trump becomes the central character in that particular drama as opposed to talking about any of the other issue

fbi or doj, that would be dead on arrival in the democratic controlled senate, and even senator john thune, the number two republican called that, quote, a really bad idea. but the goal here for republicans, wolf, is to really muddy the waters and to show trump that they are out there defending him. it's really for an audience of one. but not everyone in the gop, we should point out, is onboard with this idea. just take a listen to congressman don bacon, a moderate republican who represents a district won by joe biden. >> we're missing the obvious. we have someone that has hundreds and hundreds of top secrets and showed it to unclear people, and then he lied about it. i'm not in the mood -- mode for defending that, and i don't think my colleagues should either. >> reporter: so the divide in the gop over trump is likely only going to grow deeper in the weeks and months ahead, wolf. >> i suspect you're right. mela melanie zinona, thanks very much. let's get more on this with our political and legal experts. kaitlan collins, trump has two trials getting ready for next year, and that's in addi

. >> and john thune told me he would not support efforts to defund. narrow majority and that outspoken flank on his right pushing to move to his right, including defending trump and mccarthy has come out in trump's defense, including not raising any concerns about the fact that a number of documents, classified documents were in mar-a-lago in the bathroom. >> was that a good look for the former president to have boxes in a bathroom? >> i don't know. is it a good picture to have boxes in a garage that opens up all of the time? a bathroom took locks. >> a bathroom door locks. he walked out on the statuary hall and said he wanted to thank trump because he could not have won without trump. so he needs trump to stay in power here and the interesting thing is how will he deal with it when potential future indictments come down and will he still support trump. >> i think it is a great question. from what we're seeing so far, it does seem like that is where the speaker is, he will continue to defend donald trump. >> and going back to all of the investigations

see what they say are senate republican leadership, people like senator mitch mcconnell, senator john thune, who were serious and sober in their consideration of trump's second indictment here. mcconnell saying he didn't want to weigh in, thune making clear he had endorsed someone else in the 2024 republican presidential primary. but their reactions will be instructive in the ways in which this is going to be treated differently by republican lawmakers here in washington who have been using hunter biden as a sort of boogie man both on the campaign trail and here in washington to bolster their talking point that the doj is somehow political in nature. >> and, it seems like they continue to ignore that this is a decision coming from u.s. attorney david wise, who was nominated and ultimately, you know, got the job as a u.s. attorney back in 2018. he's the one who has carried this case through to this resolution. so, catherine, we're also reading into, i think, this resolution that there seems to be a suggestion that prosecutors did not find cause to file charges related to hunter biden's deali

and now they have a very popular senator, tim scott, who is running and senator john thune has come out and i believe supported tim scott and there are other senators who are likely to support tim scott. so, a lot of senators look at this and say there is absolutely no reason i need to stick my neck out on what's going on with former president trump right now. >> john: all right. byron, hang with us. back to bret baier here, a boisterous crowd out in front of the federal courthouse but a peaceful crowd out there. most of them, i would think, voicing their support for the former president as he's inside and the proceedings are underway. >> my mentor and friend brit hume said it best, this is historic, we have not seen anything like this, and there hasn't been -- we have had these moments, but this has never happened for a president to be charged under the espionage act. and just talking to some legal experts about this, and this is where this may start to be the defense's take. you know, why, why did the doj move forward with this. the presidential records act, 1978, had civil process ti

even those who object to trump's behavior like presumably mitch mcconnell, has been quiet, senator john thuned a little bit, but basically has kept quiet. mean while, trump supporters are very active. republican senator j.d. vance just announced that he's going to put on hold all of president biden's nominees for the justice department because of this indictment. he said, quote, if merrick garland the attorney general wants to use these officials to harass joe biden's political opponents, we will grind his department to a halt, unquote. >> so here is a supporter just doubling down and someone with power to do this in the senate on exactly what john just said. you know, to add to things that trump has said, he called the special counsel also a terrorist, a slime ball. he has called the justice department the ga suest stop po. we are seeing from the republican party, republican senators undermining the justice department and rule of law. >> i want to get your reaction elie and andy to this comment from a trump lawyer, she is not involved in this current case but she's acting as a spokesperson f

chuck grassley, mitch mcconnell, the minority leader, jerry moran, lisa murkowski, mitt romney, john thunethom tillis, and todd young are the republicans who voted yes on the legislation. 17 republicans joining 44 democrats and two independents, the final vote in the senate. 63 voting yes, and 36 voting no. before the vote, it was mitch mcconnell on the floor of the senate talking about the debt limit agreement. this is some of what he had to say. >> last night and an overwhelming majority of our house colleagues voted to pass the agreement speaker mccarthy reached with president biden. in doing so, they took an urgent and important step in the right direction. for the health of our economy, and the future of our country. the fiscal responsibility act avoids catastrophic consequences of a default on our nations debt. just as importantly it makes the most serious headway in years toward curbing washington democrats reckless spending. the bill in the house just past has the potential to cut federal spending by $1.5 trillion. now the senate has a chance to make that important progress a reali