and also jning is john utley, longtime conservative activist. he is the associate publisher of the american conservative, a monthly, that many of you know pat buchanan writes fothe publication and a number of other conservatives. so i want to thank all of them for joining us, and i think what we would like to do is ask each of the panelists to start with a three to five mine response about at they think about the future of conservatism, and if it is truly brighter than we see it now. many people have a pessimistic view about things, but i am hoping we will get a silver lining today in this cloud of obama infielder custis washington. so why don't we start with richard and then. >> thank you, chris. i do believe that conservatives will govern america in the future. in my lifetime, i have been involved three times the naonal level of helping conservatives capture the republican party. 1964 wh cold water, 80 with reagan, and in 1994 the gingrich revolution take control of the repuican party but take controlf all of american politics. and when the g

john utley? >> thank you, chris. i am john utleyagazine conservative was in your packets. my background is not described there, but i have been active since i was 18 with republicans but i lived 15 years in south amepica in business. and we have another viewpoint many of also spent many years in foreign countries especially the thirworld, and what happened partly in washington republican establishment was there were ry few people with much knowledge of the outside even set up a number of with pages. one might neoconservative biographies, on t internet, and those who were running the foreign policy, therefore an international experience was semester in england or maybe if they were real sophisticated in paris. and that is -- they were supposedly the knowledgeable people of international affairs. you have washington as run by policy and the think tanks and e congressional staffers and news media and they go back and forth. those are the ones with credentials to get posted in high positions not quite sanguine as richard. i think the system in washington as a corrupt as both p

influence, taking part in the discussion are richard viguerie author of conservative speech read, john utleyve magazine, thomas phillips of ele publishing and thomas fuentes member of boar

even in the hitter hits it, on the ground. >> bob: on a fastball, utley fouls it back to the screen. john lannan four innings, two hits, one walk, that was utley back in the first. >> rob: talk talked about setting the i done in the game. >> bob: and the 1-2 pitch. deep right field. it's way out of hire, and the phillies are on the board, as ibanez continues to hammer the nationals. that's his 7th homer against washington this year out of the 29 he has hit. and it's a 2-1 game. >> rob: well, i truly believe that ibanez earlier in the year was looking breaking ball right here, i think he's look, ask that looks like a change-up. i'm not sure, bust i think it was a change-up, and it just stayed up and in. >> bob: phillies hit their 192nd home run of the year. most in the league. the yankees have .216. texas coming in 201. ball one to pedro feliz, and now lannan's next pitch is fouled back. >> rob: john was visibly upset about that, but you know what? they're going to hit home runs off of you. now come back, even the counsel at one, start attacking these guys again. >> bob: 19th homer of the