there's a great unknown out there, jon meacham. i saw you -- >> that's exactly -- >> we've all heard it repeatedly. >> the phrase you hear, also, there can be a private sector stimulus here. there's a lot of cash that's holding back because of the unknown, particularly on the taxes i think. people just don't know what they're going to do. >> we have companies like mcdonald's -- remind me to tell you the story. we'll pull it up. 30,000 employees you mentioned, for example, i think they're considering getting rid of health care for their employees because they don't like the way the plan looks as they look ahead. we'll pull it up. that's stunning given their contribution. >> no, that's not stunning actually, mika. that is quite predictable because we heard while everybody was trying to jam health care down the throats of americans, barack obama's health care plan last year, the media wasn't picking this up. i heard one corporate leader after another say, you know what, if he passes this thing, he's going to put us in a position to dr