let's bring in presidential historian jon meacham, who's the host of the podcast "hope through historyot to discuss. we're going to get to the space launch. there's so much style in this building. we don't do style like this anymore, sadly. but anyway, i digress. let's talk about the launch. how are you looking at the idea of jeff bezos, a private individual, the richest man on earth, on the planet, launching to the edge of space versus a collective exploration that this country used to do? >> right. america works best when private and public work together, whether it's interstate highways or a transcontinental railroad or the conversation that began about the years that the cincinnati place was finished up when franklin roosevelt came to power and began to shift the emphasis in america from being entirely about private enterprise and being about this intermeshing of public and private. it's a conversation that has worked out pretty well for us. sometimes it veers to the right. sometimes it veers to the left. but it's a coherent one. one of the aspects of the last four years from 2017

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jon meacham is advisor to president biden. jon, how would you characterize this moment? we do seem divided. what's your best summary? >> well, i hate to say it because of the way the decade turned out, but i think we're in the 1850s in america. i think you have a dedicated minority of the population. it was the cessationist, slave holding interest in the 1850s. today it was this vast swath of people who have found a home in the republican party who are no longer part of a coherent and constructive and good-intentioned conversation about the future of the country. and when you turn politics functionally into religion -- and i believe that's what's happened -- is you have your own holy books, you have your own prophets, your own path to salvation -- that is a terrible, terrible blow to free government because a democracy fundamentally depends on our capacity to see each other not as adversaries or heathen but as neighbors. and so i really do believe that the divisions we're enduring now are a difference of kind and not degree of certainly those that have affected us since

. >> let's turn to this morning's must read opinion pages for that we bring in historian jon meachamf of staff to the d triple c adrienne elrod. and we'll start with paul krugman's latest for "the new york times" entitled "it's morning in joe biden's america". he writes in part this. at this point we have enough data in hand to declare that the economy is booming. in fact, it's booming so strongly that republicans have pivoted from claiming falsely that we're experiencing the worst job performance in decades to lauding the employment numbers and giving credit to trump's 2017 tax cut. the economy is running hotter than it did the morning in america boom that gave ronald reagan a landslide victory in the 1984 presidential election. we've gained 3 million jobs since biden took offic office, 600,000 jobs a month. this compares-to-with gains of 340,000 a month in the year leading up to the 1984 gains. so yes, we are having another morning in america and biden deserves more credit for his good morning than reagan ever did for his. wow. >> jon meacham when i hear the term morning in america

with 30 grams of protein. >>> we are back with doris kearns goodwin and jon meacham.oris was talking about how the world can lead us to the better angels of ourselves or our darker impulses. the question i have that sort of relates to that, if leadership is so important, clearly donald trump is viewed by some very large part of the country as his leader. so much so that he dominates a party in a way that i can't recall any prior president in american history. the one that i think of is teddy roosevelt who so dominated the republican party that he left it and tried to, in effect, create his own party, the bull moose party. are there any other perils? what does it mean when a leader gets so powerful that he is more powerful than the party itself? >> i think partly it has to do with the nature of the media today, right? i mean, you had -- one of the scary things about the 1850s is you had a partisan media. so when lincoln goes to a debate with stephen douglas, the republican newspaper says, he did great, he was carried out on the shoulders of his supporters, and when a d

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it's written and narrated by presidential historian jon meacham. and jon joins us now.sity, annette gordon reed. good to have you both on board with us this morning. i say on board, it's a pun to an extent. jon meacham, let's go over these two events. what's the first one? >> on board, i get it. sorry it took me a second. it's too early. the podcast, it's sort of designed for mika when she's having difficulty sleeping. we wanted to be able to -- what i do. look, narrative and story is the way we learn. this is as old as the campfire and homer. and i believe, and i think annette would agree, that the past is not a gps system, it's not something you can type in the coordinates and decide where to go, but there is a diagnostic guide. there are symptoms that occurred, things that are evident to our eyes that suggest an underlying condition and that might suggest a treatment. and so, one of the things i wanted to try to do here was look at moments of crisis -- and crisis, by the way, comes from the greek about a moment of decision in the course of a disease where the patient

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