jon meacham thank you very much. still a lot more to get to really quick -- >> one note for jon meacham, ryanhold wrote the serenity prayer. >> oh, nice. >>> still ahead on "morning joe" we'll play what mike pence had to say about ron desantis in his announcement speech. also ahead, a group of right wing republicans bring house business to a halt. we'll show you what speaker kevin mccarthy is saying about the revolt within his own party. plus. >>> plus the scene in the flood-ravaged region of kherson, ukraine following the dam collapse later this week. and joined by two members of congress from different sides of the aisle working together in a push for new sanctions against american adversaries. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. we will be right back. from prom dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5

historian jon meacham is here with an important lesson. and one democrats and straight to republican extremism. governor tim walsh joins me live to talk about what some progressives are calling the minnesota miracle. i am jonathan capehart, this is the sunday show. in 1974, richard nixon resigned the presidency in disgrace, following watergate. almost 50 years after that scandal rocked the nation, donald trump has been impeached -- twice. and now indicted -- twice. the first ex president to face criminal charges from the federal government. he will be arraigned on tuesday in federal court in miami. the indictment, and still bit special counsel jack smith on friday revealed 37 counts against trump, six against his personal, it walter nauta. it accused both men of lying, scheming and misleading officials in order to hold on to hundreds of classified documents. documents federal investigators said quote, included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the united states and foreign countries, united states nuclear progr

jon meacham is absolutely correct. the powers with the people here.e to talk about this around elections and people coming out to vote and exercising their power and making their voice heard on the issues that affects them. but when we talk about what kind of country do we want to be, are people choosing chaos over the constitution and vice versa, this power directly rests with individual citizens which is why a point that you made multiple hours ago, steph, i would like to bring back to this, table you talked about how we are here having a fact based conversation about what is in the indictment, understanding -- that donald trump as innocent until proven guilty, and there is a whole slot of the american public who consumes media in a different way, and -- we're not paying attention at all. and for those folks, the fact should median varmint absolutely pays a pardon to what people believed to be true. >> i think john used a very important phrase, an important word. that where it is custodian. i think when you're talking about democracy, its future in

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and founder of the conservative website the bulwark, charlie sykes. >> jon meacham, people criticizing a political opponent, it is not progressive democrats, it's not people that served in the obama administration that are out and criticizing donald trump, it is his former national security adviser. it is his former secretary of defense. it is his former attorney general who was so loyal to him, he was willing to purger himself in front of the house and the senate judiciary committees. >> yeah, no man is a hero to his valet or his attorney general. apparently what i think we are seeing is the people who know the most slowly saying what the unspoken part is, the tough part is out loud and the great question, the question on which so much of the country's future hangs, is to what extent can republicans who see the truth about trump, can they make a difference in turning a party that has been a remarkable force for good in many, many ways back into a functional, constitutionally strong party and saying it is the beginning, but they've got to break with the -- they've got to make sure that

jon meacham, thank you so much for being with us.oves hearing your insights today. so thank you for being here. charlie sykes, is there any hope for the republican party? is there any hope for conservatives, true conservatives to stand up, and not -- not say convict trump but just say, let's let the system play out, let's trust the rule of law, let's not attack our court system, let's see whether trump's guilty or not, see what the jury says? >> well, i hope so. i mean it is -- it has been a rough road but i think we are seeing some green shutes and i think we ought to remind ourselves there have been recent surveys that suggest the overwhelming majority of americans think these crimes are serious and disqualifying. we are focused elise stefanick, but recognize how out of the mainstream they are, and also, we're seeing a new willingness on the part of some republicans to go after donald trump. i thought it was interesting that chris christie is doing something this week that nobody did back in 2016. he's going after donald trump, his

like what is important, jon meacham has been on our air the last 24 or 48 hours saying the question isracy arena. be a mature democracy that abides by its rules and laws in the courts is. when mr. bakr see that she was chaos over the constitution. >> quickly do you think the president should be making a statement here to kind of quell any friction that could be mounting right now? >> i think the president, if he says anything you should say something about potential violence. i don't think it behooves the president to weigh in on the indictment. because it plays right into the hands of his critics. >> simon tenders townsend. four pm everybody. in just a couple of minutes, right. 22 minutes of i do my mouth right. you can catch or their simone's interview with peter stone, one of the plaintiffs in the alabama voting rights supreme court case. even want to miss that. some really surprising stuff that has -- coming up at four pm make sure to watch simon every weekend at four pm following our show. and later tonight when she joins special coverage of the trump indictment atrium eastern rig

historian jon meacham is here with an important lesson.overnor tim walsh joins me live to talk about what some progressives are calling the minnesota miracle. i am jonathan capehart, this is

it goes to are we a country of rules, are we a mature democracy, as jon meacham was saying, or an immature thank you all very much. have a good weekend. catch symone weekends on nbc, and her episodes stream on peacock. >>> in the first of what may be many instances in which donald trump's campaign and court calendar intersect, a judge has scheduled the start of e. jean carroll's second defamation trial for january 15th. that's right around the time that the republican primaries are set to kickoff in iowa. this second trial stems from a lawsuit carroll filed back in 2019 when she said then president trump defamed her by insisting that they are allegations of sexual assault were, quote, totally false. she amended the case earlier in week to include trump's remarks calling her a whack job on cnn. carroll, who already won a $5 million judgment is now seeking $10 million in this case. >>> the destruction and pain after a tornado tears apart homes in texas. and the storm risk that remains for 50 million americans. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jans

i have to say, i'll talk to jon meacham later about this.ny political crisis it's been, at least in my lifetime. even after the 2000 recount. their approval ratings recovered very quickly after that, they were respected interested again. but you look at just how raked the process has been, and i don't want to go through all the things that happened in the united states senate, with merrick garland and others. but if you look at the billions of dollars that people are pouring in now to influence this, you look at the will of the people. e 65, 70% of americans being ignored? e and overturning a 50-year precedent. unfortunately, they have destroyed the credibility of the court. the far-right has. and my prediction is, it's coming. there is going to be reform. in the judicial branch. i don't know what that reform looks like. but i think it's gonna start with the united states supreme court. because their approval ratings are going to just keep going down as it gets more and more politicized. and let's face it, bought off by an element that has b

i heard jon meacham say yesterday, and i repeated today on my show, that the question is, what kind ofill weigh the? are we amateur democracy that enforces its rules and laws? are we an immature democracy, that will choose chaos over the constitution? the people here do have the power. it's not a four bound conclusion that donald trump will be -- the republican nominee. let alone, president again. what will be the voters, the people of america, play in this? >> i'm glad you asked me that. because it's easy to be very gloomy, and frightened about what is going on. it is very serious. and distressing. but, authoritarians are always so arrogant. they don't realize that they cause an enormous backlash. we are seeing that backlash in tennessee, in florida, there is a new vitality there. new alliances happening. in florida and tennessee. i'm just using those examples, between activists and state lawmakers. we are in a moment of a global renaissance of protest. i believe we are going to see much more protest here. so, there is another narrative here. that these brushes with authoritarianism a