jonathan zimmerman. what i just always been inspired by you in your work is saying it's okay to have debates among contending views. politics is not a come by our sport, but there was always this belief that both sides respected each other's rights, majority and minority. there'll be a struggle and you talked a lot about have that sense of civic toss or this respect for pluralism has disappeared. and i'd love to get your framing on that. because i think since this moment since i've been begin reading you, i've seen nothing that gives me any hope that a respect for pluralism is coming back to this country. the country was, it continues to be extremely divided and more than that to your point, deep and polarized. you know, when i wrote about this, this matter or back in the area, you were talking about the early 2, thousands. i was more concerned about the way that religion and religious claims polarized us, because often religion group is claimed or totalizing. right. i mean, you know, it's like either he

jonathan zimmerman, what i just always been inspired by you in your work is saying it's okay to have debates among contending views. politics is not a come by our sport, but there was always this belief that both sides respected each other's rights, majority and minority. if there would be a struggle and you talked a lot about have that sense of civic toss, or this respect for pluralism has disappeared. and i'd love to get your framing on that. because i think since this moment since i've been begin reading you, i've seen nothing that gives me any hope that a respect for pluralism is coming back to this country. the country was and continues to be extremely divided. and more than that, to your point, deep polarized, you know, when i wrote about this, this matter are back in the area, we're talking about the early, 2, thousands. i was more concerned about the way that religion and religious claims polarized us, because often religion group is cleaned or totalizing. right. i mean, you know, it's like either he was the messiah or he wasn't right. like either abortion is a seen the or it

thank you very much. julia manchester national politics reporter for the hill and professor jonathan zimmerman. and andrew hartman . thanks so much for being with us today. thank you. your. so what's the bottom line? you thought things couldn't get worse, didn't you? the disagreements about how americans should live their lives. have always been huge and they're not going away. once upon a time, americans literally went to war against each other because they had totally opposite viewpoints on slavery. and they still disagree about waiving the confederate flag a 150 years later. the big question is, will america be white, christian lead nation, or will it shift to a multicultural society with no dominant religion or race? i thought the constitution sorta took care of this stuff, but no. will the u. s. government be more secular or willing to enforce religious based morality. do americans still have a willingness to tolerate those who disagree with them? and what happens to democracy if they don't? i don't like the use the term culture wars because politicians like the use these issues to divide