david: we are joined by josh green who wrote the book on stephen bannon bennett. at is the president going through? josh: he has to weigh the difficulties of having bannon and his white house and we saw that of the last couple of days in the aftermath of the charlottesville attack and trump's truculent to move to do now neo-nazis and alt-right activists. if the ban in comes from -- bannon comes from a wing of the party won't does not explicitly endorse, they believe it is important part of trump's constituency and one should not have to and to where the finger when -- hasten to wag a finger problem of depressing the base. you cane other hand, see the clear damage that this kind of approach has inflicted on dry, not just try, not only not only the condemnation but these important business leaders leaving his executive council and essentially leaving trump sitting in the white house as a sort of pariah. reporting, howr much is true belief on steve bannon's part? and it expedient, he run -- he ran breitbart by appealing to the alt-right and some of these more radical

charlie: devils bargain, josh green.eve bannon, donald trump, and the storming of the presidency. thank you for coming. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ ♪ emma: i am emma chandra and you're watching "bloomberg technology." let's start with a check of your first word news. the search for 10 missing sailors lost after the uss john mccain collided with an oil tanker near singapore continues. it is the second collision involving a u.s. warship in the pacific region in two months. the navy has ordered a wide ranging investigation. the "washington post" reports the secret service only has enough funds to protect the trump family until the end of september. that is after a "usa today" report said they hit caps meant to last until the end of the year. the poster says that if the

he made those comments to josh green of bloomberg. green joins us right now on the phone.hust got off the phone steve bannon. what more did he have to say to you? had: i wanted to know what gone down with his firing and whether he expected this. mostly what he plans on doing next. there has been a lot of speculation that bannon has been on his way out for a long time. he's a figure in the administration who has been at war with other advisors, including gary cohn. bannon told me he did not have a falling out with trump, but that he in fact will continue this nationalist crusade on the outside. the list of the three people he was planning on targeting. capitol hill, opponents of trump trump'sedia, and opponents in corporate america whom he thinks are pushing a capitalist agenda and inhibiting trump's policies. interesting given the events of ceos stepping down from his business councils. the councils that disbanding. what does this actually mean? josh: i think it means that bannon will take up a role similar to the one he had before he went into the white house. really more

i am pleased to have josh green at this table. welcome. >> great to be here, thank you. >> rose: this is a new review in the new york review of backs i just saw in which it says it is a testament to your adroit intertwaining of bannon and trump that we're not certain which of the two figures sold the bigger part of himself to the other. in the broader sense they are co-authors of our moment's tabloid conservatism. >> i think that's exactly right and the point of the book was to go back and answer the question everybody wants to still know about donald trump, how is it that he managed to get elected and all of us in the media, many washington didn't see it coming? i didn't see it coming, but i had covered bannon, breitbart, i covered this pommist uprising, and i spoke to bannon and the story came into focus, how these two men and their stories are interwoven and likely led to this upset. >> rose: tell us the story. trump and bannon met in 2010. bannon has this wild background gotten attention by now. >> rose: seven years ago. seven

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he made those, said josh green, who wrote the book "devil's bargain."ou just got off the phone with steve bannon. what he did he have to say to? >> i wanted to know what had gone down? this.r he expected but most of all, what he planned to do next. there has been a lot of speculation. bennett has been on his way off for a long time. av -- a figure that has been at war with trump advisors. van and told me he had not had a falling out with trump. in fact, he would continue this nationalist crusade on trump's behalf on the outside. he listed the three people he was planning on targeting, capitol hill, opponents of trump in the media, and most interestingly to me, trump's opponents in corporate america who he thinks are pushing a crony capitalist agenda and inhibiting trump's policies. emily: giving the events of the last three days with ceos stepping down from his business council, the council than disbanding, read between the lines, josh. ? what does this actually mean >> i think it means -- what does this actually mean? >> it means bannon will take on a

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josh green is the author of "devil's bargain." good to have you with us.president himself and steve bannon. some report of friction, some created tension if you will. give us a sense of how in the references by some to being trump's brain which is laughable because trump's brain is the deal. your take on it all. >> trump runs hot and cold with a lot of his advisors. he's not trump's brain. it's the two of them coming together. trump was the after tar for bannon's idea of populist nationalism. when i met bannon he was looking for a true populist who could take us to the white house. he tried palin, michele bachman and he said he tried you. he finally found his way to donald trump and it worked. it's you a these guys outsmarted the democrat and republican establishments and got donald trump to the white house. lou: i told him my wife and i talked by the and we decide it was absurd and wouldn't do it no matter what. bannon said that's exactly why you would be a good candidate. >> it's such a bannon thing to say. lou: the president to have the e ininstinct and

josh green, j.d. vance and political writer of 538. josh. is it a fair assumption that the president is now making it clear that he is all in with the base and the idea that steve bannon could be on his way out is nonsensical because that is his conduit to the same base. he's going to -- he's going to go against his own, clearly he's got one strategy, and that's to go hard at the right. >> trump is always thinking about his base. also not thinking ahead to his legislative agenda, clearly or he wouldn't be doing what he did the other day. i think we saw his true feelings the first time he gave a statement about many sides were to blame. he had a kind of forced march to walk that back. as always happens with trump. it didn't last. his true feelings came out. he was angry. even though he had advice not to do this, he had steve bannon saying you have to connect with the base. this isn't fair. if there's one thing we know motivates trump is the idea he's being attacked unfairly by the media. >> there is just a stunning cover. i hope you can see r

cirilli,s now is kevin and here is josh green, columnist for bloomberg business . sh, famine is back heading up the editorial meetings at breitbart. brief trumpled to coul. that has to do with the crushing of the ships. is he going after the generals? josh: now he is uninhibited and he is outside and back to his old tricks at breitbart news, which was trying to influence republican policy from this internet platform that has enormous influence not just among voters but also among the core contingent of republicans in congress. vonnie: kevin, how much can steve bannon actually specifically alter policy or even influence policy at this point? kevin: for so long, the republican party has been enter fighting between conservatives and the tea party and moderates in the tea party. you are seeing now is an ideological shift in those battlelines led of course by steve bannon. to josh's point, he will be definitely just as if not more influential outside of the white house, at least according to the sources i've spoken with, then he was inside of it. you saw it from his inte

on at the white house. >> josh green who is one of the writers for business week, peeled back beyondhe administration before it was the administration. an inside look, the ks we saw -- the chaos we saw during the campaign in terms of who is in and who is out has only continued. we can laugh about it with anthony scaramucci being ousted this week as communications director. he was the fourth official to depart in 10 days. the gravity and seriousness of this is something we need to start thinking about in terms of, if they are unable to get a hold on their own white house -- if it will be a revolving door -- if we will not be able to see stability in terms of how it is run, the leeks, how the press is dealt with, how they are operating as a white house? there is little hope -- is there any hope they will be able to progress with a legislative agenda. the collapse of health care, moving into a phase where they need to get something done. and they want to get tax reform done. >> i was thinking about coverage, we continue to seek chaos but how do you continue to cover the score at -- the

so i don't see much of a change from that in the coming months. >> and endura, josh green who wrote the book about bannon that rocketed to number one on amazon and has enjoyed a good run prior to the departure of mr. bannon, wrote about bannon on bloomberg today. before i ask you a question, i want to read you. holiday banons path from trusted attack dog to toxic liability, the cost of bannon's failure to adapt from campaigns to governing became evident on friday. ignoring by john kelly to cease the warfare through the trump presidency and bannon gave a rare interview to a liberal policy journal in which he vowed to out. the state and defense department who he claimed were wetting themselves over some of his plans. and how can you govern this way and was this ever going to end any other way? >> well, look, brian, i want to say that i think that trump is always going to be trump. and for people to think that john kelly is going in there and somehow cleaning house, i just -- i think it is the wrong frame through which to be looking at this. i think you can't clean house for somebody who d

trump was this book by josh green, can bloomberg reporter, which a lot of people close to trump saw as a vanity biography for steve ban. trump resented the notion that bannon was taking credit for his election victory. so trump has been incredibly irritated with steesh bannon. i can just imagine him reading this piece in "weekly standard" saying the trump presidency is over. it's almost laboratory test designed to enrage donald trump. if you were going to craft a it would look a lot like that. >> your earlier interview with steve bannon, he didn't know, maybe he did. this was in the "american prospect" bannon openly contradicted the president and chald members of the administration, despite trump's off the touk u talk, bannon said there is no military solution here, they got us. he said they're wheting themselves, he says i fight every day against gary cohn, despite reports he tendered his resignation august 7th effective today. you sa i the conversation ended with bannon inviting me to the white house after labor by a to continue the discussion. so that's an interesting detail here t.

. >> josh green, you are the world authority on stephen bannon other than, perhaps stephen bannon.you surprised by the timing of this? >> i was a little surprised by the timing of it, because the role trump really plays for bannon, he isn't so much the great manipulator that he's portrayed as being on "saturday night live." he is bannon's ultimate soldier and attack dog, winds up in crazy crises where everybody else abandoned him. back in the campaign it was true, during the "access hollywood" scandal. bannon engineered a way out of that for trump and we seem to be involved in the same kind of situation now in the wake of charlottesville. every fortune 500 ceo abandoning trump. republicans, congress, abandoning trump. steve bannon is the one guy who stood up for him and publicly defended him. i'm a little surprised he was pushed out right now at this pivotal moment for trump's presidency, because this really leaves trump without anybody in the white house willing to go out there and defend him against the toughest charges. >> and jen, you work for the obama white house, and preside

. >> bret: we were just talking, howie, about josh green from bloomberg., steve bannon, donald trump and the storming of the presidency. and my reporting of this, the president was not happy with that book and his cooperation with it. how much do you think that factored in that he thought that perhaps steve bannon was getting too much credit? you heard it in his remarks tuesday at that press conference. >> well, the president always brittles at any attention more than he does. i think that's a minor factor. there is a misconception about steve bannon's role in the white house. i know steve bannon. is he not some dark figure who is pushing or manipulating president trump. where he has the most influence, bret, was on issues like trade and economic nationalism. president not only agreed with him but had been espousing this for decades. excuse me, the former breitbart chairman steve bannon always viewed it as a short-term job. he would continues war as he said in that comment to josh green on the outside. the idea that is he going to go to war at w. trump tha

other people crowding his spotlight and the book that came out last month from business week's josh greenen the cover showing steve bannon and president trump as equals. charlie, we know the president that is a book and didn't like it. >> charlie: i would add his conflict with h.r. mcmaster. >> the big irony, if you listened to the president and read his tweets you'd say bannon is talking in his ear and he is. jonathan swan reported this week steve bannon talks repeatedly to the president after charlottesville. it was steve bannon egging the president on with his message that quote, both sides, unquote, were to blame. >> charlie: we turn now to another terror attack in europe. after least 14 have died and more than 100 injured in a pair of attacks thursday in barcelona and cambrils. five suspects are dead and four detained and one remains at large. the attacks are part of a larger trend where terrorists hope to inflict casualties by driving vehicles into crowds of pedestrians. we turn to a former homeland adviser to president bush and a contributor so cbs news. what's the significance of t

i don't think he will lack for outlets through which to continue to shape our politics. >> josh green, thank you so much. appreciate it. of course continue to look at the images coming out of boston. we'll monitor these dueling rallies and bring them to you and we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ it feels good to be back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (woman) there's a moment of truth.etes, and now with victoza®, a better moment of proof. victoza® lowers my a1c and blood sugar better than the leading branded pill, which didn't get me to my goal. lowers my a1c better than the leading branded injectable. the one i used to take. victoza® lowers blood sugar in three ways. and while it isn't for weight loss, victoza® may help you lose some weight. non-insulin victoza® comes in a pen and is taken once a day. (announcer) victoza® is not recommended as the first medication to treat diabetes and is not for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not take victoza® if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to victoz

at the time the big story there, josh green, was that there is no russian adoption program. this is about sanctions and money being taken from putin, but that was the least of the concern, as it turns out. >> well, it was, and what's odd about the statement that trump dictated is it seems clear in hindsight that the new york times knew move. within hours of the statement coming out, more reports that gave us further details, who was in the meeting and what they were doing and the fact this was really about getting russian dirt on hillary clinton or at least that was what was promised and we also know that don jr. was aware of that, because he himself released emails once it became clear that they were coming out. i think it shows a problem with trump and the president in particular grappling with the fact that these stories are going to come out. you can't just spin and on face indicate and mislead and hope that they're going to go away. >> ryan that leads us to the feeling inside the white house and that is certainly open for examination this week with everything we've seen

again, josh green, you know, i don't think david -- i don't think david duke speaks for the presidente united states, but he speaks of the president of the united states. it is something to see over the course of a day. >> well, and the president could be a lot clearer about who david duke speaks for by coming out and condemning the fact he is at his rally and condemning the fact that david duke says he is there to carry out trump's agenda. i think that's the problem. it is worth pointing out furthermore this is a trump problem. it is not a republican problem. >> correct. >> you have seen very strong statements that specifically condemn white supremacy from people like orrin hatch. you had new jersey governor chris christie before the violence today condemning these kind of white supremacist views. so it is not as though he didn't have plenty of cover from his own party to come out and say, this is wrong, there's no place in our party or in my movement for white supremacists and neo nazis, and yet trump hasn't managed to do that. >> and, of course, again to point out that marco rubio

right after the news, steve banyan chaired the company's editorial meeting, telling bloomberg's josh green, if there's any confusion out there, let me clear it up. i'm leaving the white house and going to war for trump against his opponents on capitol hill, in the media and in corporate america. banyan said he will still play a role in shaping trump's future in the white house, telling the website the trump presidency that we fought for and won is over. meanwhile, one of banyan's colleagues at breitbart had this message for president trump. after tweeth hashtag war when the announcement was made, here is what joel told my colleague chuck todd. >> if he sticks on the issues on which he was elected, if he fulfills the promises that used to hack on steve banyan's wall in the west wing, then i think you'll see positive coverage if this becomes an arnold schwarzenegger situation where he swings to the left in an attempt to appease his media in the democratic party, then i think you would see a war. >> melanie, let's start with you. what would this war look like, based on banyan's comments, is i

maria: josh green. >> josh green. that's it. maria: let me ask you this, charlie, the word is bannon were to leave, if he were to push him out, trump's initial base, the very conservative part of his following, will get mad at him. do you think that is sort of going into his thinking, if i get rid of this guy, i will get backlash? >> it was kind of interesting to sort of, it is impossible to know exactly what is in trump's mind right now. one of the interesting things about yesterday's press conference, i think it wasn't a very good press conference, moral equation, between the alt-left and alt-right, i know the left is bad. i've seen the antifa in action. no offense, nazis started this. by doing that a lot of people think he is laying groundwork to get rid of bannon, basically appeal to his base voter. maria: vitriol is incredible. i talked about the press conference yesterday, on twitter and i got slammed. >> that you have a opinion. maria: i like the fact he came out swinging, addressed fact he got it wrong initially. ken you

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josh green the badger i mean the devil's bargain i mean he he talks about steve banned in telling donald trump don't be afraid to insult people go right after them and this reminds me of that that steve bannon is looking forward to seeing a part in that regard the president's statements on north korea don't necessarily contradict what we heard from steve gannett i mean steve benen you don't i mean the president is what's he been on that we're going to a lot of. fire and yet you're in and granderson through no military i guess what donald trump got the north koreans to respond he had made some progress on this whatsoever incremental the president has come out and he told us right you read the art of the deal i want to i am sure they are working there so fast and furious as they can to get that nuclear weapon working absolutely not in the presidents have put north korea on notice he's not sitting back like previous administrations and he's he's willing to speak to north koreans ok and maybe the only way to actually under last word. thank you ted appreciate that and that's the way it is ton

did you see that book josh green wrote?rump would never have been elected without steve bannon. i wonder who leaked all that to steve bannon. >>i io don't think it's going t change -- >> where is jared? >> isn't he on vacation? >> don't they always go on vacation at the worst time? >> bannon's done like four on-the-record interviews. is he shaping some narrative for himself? he wrote to "the washington post" an e-mail to bob costa -- as long as the democrats fail to understand this, they will continue to lose, says bannon, but leftist elites do not value history so why would they learn from history? and the original american prospect piece, rex tillerson named adversaries including gary cohn and susan thornton. rex tillerson conspicuously shook her hand before taking seats. thornton, an obama administration holdover continues in her capacity and till areson tillerson relies on her to run diplomacy inside asia. >> i got to say, rick, i don't know how it is with government but i know if somebody who worked for me trashed some

. >> josh green who wrote that book about bannon that really rocketed number one on amazon and has enjoyed good run prior to the departure of mr. bannon, wrote about bannon on bloomberg today. before i ask you a question, i want to read you this bit headline. quote, "the cost of bannon's failure to adapt from campaigning to governing became evident on friday. bannon on wednesday gave a rare interview to the american prospect of the liberal policy journal which he vows and oust his -- how can you govern this way and was this ever going to end any other way? >> brian, i want to say that i think that trump is always going to be trump. for people think that john kelly is coming in there and somehow cleaning house, it is the wrong frame to which to be looking at this. you cannot clean house for somebody that does not want their house cleaned. this is the way donald trump likes things to be. he likes chaos and this is the way he works. i don't think there is going to be any less of a bond between him and steve bannon because bannon is on the out. there are many people where he had to cut ties wi

julie pace, josh green author of "devil's bargain" explains steve bannon, donald trump and the stormingnd helps understand how their relationship put donald trump into the white house. >> willie you read that book and almost think that like steve bannon's like the genius behind that operation. he's like trump's brain, like he's the guy that got him elected. we should call him president bannon. >> stick that knife in there, joe. >> no, everybody should read this book, because you just come away from it thinking that steve bannon was responsible for everything that happened good to donald trump. great work, josh. >> almost the reason why he's in the white house, is that what you're saying joe? >> that's my argument. i don't think steve bannon would say that if you had him on the show. i don't think trump gets elected president without steve bannon as chief strategist because of his politics and year's long effort to tear down hillary clinton. >> you got to read the book. >> president bannon, that's exciting. it's a great book. it shows you that steve bannon, just like steve bannon says to

the book that came out last , on theom josh green cover shown steve bannon and president trump as equalsand charlie, we know the president saw that book and he did not like it. charlie: turning to the attack in barcelona, we talk to fran townsend. >> if all you need is to grab an everyday item like a car or knife and launch an attack, block into an attack in start stabbing people, or you can take a car on london bridge or in barcelona and mow down civilians, it is very difficult to stop. you rely on intelligence to try to catch the person. for an understanding of steve bannon and his relationship to president trump, we talked with joshua green. his book is "the devil's bargain." is very good at messaging, stoking the worries and fears of the electorate. galvanizing a certain kind of dispossessed voter who has not felt like they had a place in american politics for the last 10 or 20 years. that is a real talent. i think that helped get donald trump elected. but you need an entirely different set of skills when you wind up in the white house. charlie: the departure of steve bannon and the

he told bloomberg's josh green, quote, i'm leaving the white house and going to war for trump againsttol hill, in the media and in corporate america. going to war for what? this list may shed some light on that. here is bannon in may, standing in front of his famous white board, showing a long list of trump's campaign promises. repealing obamacare, major tax reform, border wall, just to name a few. now, back in february, which seem ace few short months ago, bannon told the crowd at cpac to make sure that the trump white house is getting checklists on that big board. >> we're at the top of the first inning. it will take as much fight, focus and determination. one thing i would like to leave you guys today with is that we want you to have our back. but more importantly, hold us accountable. hold us accountable to what we promised. hold us accountable for delivering on what we promised. >> now bannon does have a loud, very big and relentless platform at breitbart. but it's all about who is left in the west wing. people who, by and large, did not represent bannon's world view. here is the

. >> you remember the other night, josh green was here, and he said the morning he was on "new day" talking with chris cuomo and scaramucci was on. and he, josh is getting texts from people inside the white house, dis'ing scaramucci. but my point s it's just the loyalty, you should never do that if you're inside -- >> the loyalty should also come from the top down and the president of the united states, scaramucci sold his company which was very successful, went finally after being hung out to dry for quite a while, finally got this gig as the communications director who was also saying unflattering things just last week. >> and take out his chief of staff. >> and anthony is being escorted out of the white house. is that loyal? >> scaramucci did do something in that time. >> that something was the president apparently steam seem like or praised him for. >> i think it was something that people didn't like and it was a firing offense. i think it's one way. >> a >> this isn't just a matter of disloyalty, as it is a matter of protection. and it seems to me that you have lawyers here, don jr.'s

. >> so that part of it goes with the reporting from josh green about how cynical all of this has been. and continues to be. and now it's exposed for -- if he's going to declare a victory that he gets something and the taxpayers pay for it, that's going to be quite a political exercise. >> of course, that's jumping ahead a step. >> sure. >> he's now threatening a government shutdown if he doesn't get the money and the funding bill to keep the government going after october 1st. this is quite remarkable. this would be the first time in our history that we've had a government shutdown with unified control of the government. and if you'll remember the experiences that republicans had the last two extended shutdowns we had, the one with clinton in 1995 and 1996 and the one with obama in 2013, republicans took it on the chin on both of those shutdowns. you're not entirely sure whether it's a republican in the white house or -- >> one of the things it's being associated with donald trump especially when you go around and talk to groups of undocumented immigrants, you're understanding the vio

also with us is josh green. and senior national correspondent for bloomberg business week.ope you heard that interview. perry bacon, your first thoughts. >> my broad thought is two years ago we had a racially charged killing in charleston, south carolina. the american president gave a speech that unified people on both sides, brought people together. made people look differently about the country peeking about how we to bring he each other together. the two years later we had something happen and donald trump's words, whatever you think of them, did not unify anyone, did not bring anyone together and president obama was invited by the family to speak in charleston. it appears heather's doesn't want to speak to donald trump at all. it goes to the point that the presidency usually has this kind of moral authority. president speaks for everyone and brings people together and as that roll, republican or democrat. and donald trump has abandoned that role. >> when we talk about the role, perry, it's an important point. one of the things you need to do, sometimes you have to be pr

we have josh green, author of "devil's bargain." steve bannon, and the storming of the presidency, with us, kirsten powers, many have been buzzing about it. speaking out about what you're about to tell me, is bannon telling a writer for the weekly standard the presidency that i fought for with donald trump that we won is now over? is that what he was saying to you? >> basically, yeah, he told me that -- and take this with a grain of salt given the source, that this was not a firing. that it was in the works for a while, thinking about leaving two weeks ago delayed it because of the charlottesville uproar, something agreed to with both chief of staff john kelly discussed with the president and it was clear, bannon told me that he is leaving on friendly terms and going outside to wage war for trump. and not against trump. >> amicable terms, presidency is over, mutually agreed, war, which way do you see it? >> i am sort of interested in the take on what he means by that. it seemed to me when i read it the criticism was really not of do

if you read josh green's amazing book on bannon/trump he realizes there is this group of people out thereen previously consigned to the fringes, who can be mobilized into an army and that there's a slippery slope between the alt-right and the neo-nazi right and the kkk right. some people during the '30s used to say no enemies on the left. >> i want to hear from doug, doug what's your response to this bannon view? do you think it's disloyal or fair to blame him what happened with alt-right? >> i don't blame steve bannon or anybody in the white house about what's going on except for one person. i talked to reince three weeks ago at the congressional baseball game. he asked me what i'm hearing, i said it's not good. i said you have one problem, as long as the trump is the president, we focus on mccone, bannon or kellyanne, it's one person donald trump. if we take our eye off of that we're probably helping donald trump. >> scott, i want to talk to you about all the people who work for president. by standing by this president are they supporting racism? >> with you go to a senior work in the w

it comes from josh green's remarkable book about steve bannon. the power of illegal immigration to manipulate popular sentiment is readily apparent. talking about candidate trump. from a campaign aide sam nunberg telling green, roger stone and i came up with the idea of the wall. we talked to steve about it. he went on to say it was to make sure he talked about immigration. green writes candidate trump seemed indifferent but changed his mind when he tried it out in a speech in january of 2015 and the place went nuts. the u.s. economy may hinge now on a throwaway catch phrase that just happened to catch on. more from cnn's sarah mur rich. has the white house offered any more information following the president's threat about shutting down the government? >> aside from what you saw from sarah huckabee sanders today, they haven't really given us an indication of why the president decided this is something he would be willing to shut down the government over. they also didn't offer any real explanation as to how he squares and acts like this with wha

. >> josh green, what about his inner circle, you know, these are neo-nazis we are talking about, we gary cohn -- latest report is he is enraged and embarrassed, this has been devastating. does he resign? should he resign? >> that's a decision that he has to make. until these things are said publicly, until senior officials come out and say this or resign on principle which people have done in the past, people did in watergate, i don't think it counts. leaking to reporters that you're unhappy is a pretty gutless way of expressing your opinion on something as serious as this. i think the decision that people like that have to make is at what point does this become untenable. at what point is my own reputation so tarnished by my association to trump and what he's saying that i feel that i need to leave. >> talking to doug a second ago, proud republican saying i don't know if i want gary cohns of the world to resign, who does that leave us with. who would the president replace them with. >> the real thing is donald trump is president of the united states, he has been governing the count

with us is josh green, alice stewart, paul begala. matt lewis.you heard there, the president is known for saying exactly what is on his mind. i don't know, and i'm not sure i can tell whether this was a prepared remark by the president or whether part of it was prepared, that phraseology that he used. was it wise for him to use this rhetoric against the idea of north korea making any threats against the u.s. as opposed to actual action by north korea? >> it clearly, based on the fact that he said it a couple of times today, it indicates there was more of a prepared statement. and i think it's important, we need to flex our muscles in this case. i think the real concern here is the fact that the kim regime has accomplished their goal of a compact nuclear warhead that can be put in a missile. that's the concern here. it's important for the u.s. to flex their muscles. ambassador nikki haley has followed up over the weekend saying the u.s. is prepared to do whatever it takes. and i think we need to send that message. and i think while oftentimes many

. >> josh green who just wrote this book on sort of trump campaign, very bannonesque, the reporter frombloomberg" business week. sooif seen this written before about steve bannon. this is a friend of steve bannon's that says if there's a fire don't be surprised if it's steve bannon with matches. meaning do you believe it was an accident that this american prospect interview went public? >> i don't believe that that was an accident. i think bannon is a pretty savvy media operator. but i also don't believe the con seat of that book that you mentioned, that bannon is micromanaging trump and is the genius behind his victory. i think it's something of a combination between the two. what we heard on saturday from the president and what we heard on tuesday from the president were what trump really felt. steve bannon didn't have to put those words in his head. what we heard on monday was what trump really thought. but bannon, you know, pushes and prods him, tells him he's being mike managed by his aides and his real inning stingts are good but trump already has those tht first place. >> remembe

a book that came out by josh green that portrays bannon, correctly, i might add, as the mastermind behind populous nationalist campaign and its closing, crucial final months. the cardinal sin, of course, in a trump white house is outshining the president. and there are some who believe that that is what bannon has done by allowing his profile to get so high and, of course, those people are working very hard to highlight passages in that book and pass those along to president trump. >> okay. that said, some of your colleagues over at "the times" reporting a fair amount of conservatives on the hill. i think of mark meadows and steve king quoted in that piece who do see steve bannon as the cond conduit that has to be in the strength column for bennettt, no? >> absolutely. i would not say that bannon is by any means on his way out the door. certainly, trump understands that bannon is sconnecting with the base with him. in the same way that karl rove was portrayed as bush's brain. bannon is kind of trump's translator. he has provided trump with this intellectual architecture and vocabulary for

you know, in his new book, devil's bargain, josh green writes that the lesson that trump learned from that whole racist birther lie that he perpetuated for years -- >> for five years before the campaign. >> right. the thing that he learned, the number one lesson that he learned from that was that there was no price to pay for saying something so outrageous, so racist about the sitting president of the united states. and as a result, we saw him go out and actually run for president and slander his fellow opponents, lyin' ted, low energy jeb, crooked hillary, little marco. so, you know, i'm actually very happy that senator flake has found it within himself to be very bold and very vocal about what the party needs to do now that trump is president and he is violating every convention, every norm, everything that we used to hold dear about american political discussion, now that he's trashed all of that. but what it's going to require for jeff flake's word to have any meaning is he's going to have to do all of this when there is no book tour, and he's going to have to convince senior memb