her name is judy clark and she has helped some of the most notorious criminals of our time avoid the death penalty. terrorists, bombers, baby killers. these clients, all violent people who clark has managed to get sentenced to prison for life instead of death. judy clark does not do news media interviews. >> you said -- >> reporter: clark is a former federal public defender who is now a defense attorney. she is well liked and praised by her peers and she's a staunch opponent of the death penalty. quinn denver says she is a walking encyclopedia. she has empathy for the client. she does it all. most recently she worked on jared loughner's case, the gunman who pleaded guilty to murdering six and wounding 13, including arizona congresswoman gabby giffords. the death penalty was on the case, but thanks to clark, no longer. alleged 20th 9/11, zu care yus me so you ri, un na bomber, ted kosinski, susan smith who said her two kids were killed. >> we've got to get them home. that's who they belong with, their ma ma and daddy. >> she had drowned her children. all these criminals managed to get

her name is judy clarke. she has helped some of the most notorious criminals of our time avoid the death penalty. terrorists, bombers, baby killers. these clients, all violent people who clarke has managed to get sentenced to prison for life instead of death. judy clarke does not do news media interviews. >> can you sayie f ia few words before you go in? >> reporter: clarke is a former federal public defender who is now a defense attorney. she is well liked and praised by her peers. she's a staunch opponent of the death penalty. in denver, a former legal colleague tells cnn she's a walki walki walking encyclopedia. she does it all. most recently she worked on jared loughner's case, the gunman who pleaded guilty to murdering six and wounding 13, including arizona congresswoman gabby giffords. the death penalty was on the table but thanks to clarke, no longer. the list is long. alleged 20th 9/11 hijacker, moussaoui. eric rudolph, ted kaczynski and her first high profile case, susan smith, who said her two young

you can see judy clark who gettings - gets appoint the clients she represented in the federal system,t is almost somebody with being a foregone and she tries to save the person from the death penalty. if youment -- you want to talk about the waste of resource, death penalty and not just me as a defense lawyer. our former chief justice in california said it, it is broken . part of the reason you have all of these resources is because there is it a death penalty and so many levelings of review and we spend ungodly amountless of mon oat things when we don't have a reason to. >> how do you deal with a person that is a notorous defendant like tsarnaev. hard to understand and sitting and having to defend him as a lawyer? >> i have had clients that are toxic if you will to it is public . i have taken the brunt of that. not for me personally but when family members take the brunt of it . you can understand when the attacks get vicious and personal. i always say and i was in new york last week and front page of the new york post and a picture of a guy who freed after 38 years in prison and bec

. >> eric: judy clashing, i believe -- judy clark, i believe she defended some evil people in america is broke before we came on air. the death dissipate still on the table. it has to be, we have to set an example and fry this guy and send a message around the world. that is really important thing. quickly on the welfare benefits, welfare for single mother, very poor individual not an able-bodied family and sons were very able-bodied. one was a boxer. eric, on the profiling, i don't think the president was saying that at all. to me it was academic liberal mumbo jumbo. we need to engage communities, like boston the most liberal city in america? its warped and twisted yad what they did? warped and twisted is robbing a liquor, it's jihad, it's radical islam. to me was making excuses. >> eric: i think you are miss -- >> they are not tied into any organization. >> how do we know. >> there is no indication so far. i will say this. the thing -- >> it's al-qaeda, its brand now. >> and the kids self-radicalized. what bothers me is the scholarship, the success the young people had in sports, i

a renowned the death penalty expert judy clarke has been approved by a federal judge to represent tsarnaevn the republic federal defenders already assigned to the case. clark's clients have included the unabomber, susan smith, atlanta olympics bomber, and tucson arizona shooter. all received life sentences and said of the death penalty. joining me now, criminal defense attorney fox news contributor. great to have you. >> my world doesn't get any more poignant than ts. that is as serious as it can ever get. lou: this woman has a remarkable track record. how did she get assigned to this case? >> look, we have a system of government where we want and in its ideal form we want people to be represented the best they possibly can, especially if they are facing the death penalty. we need to make sure all the t's are crossed demise are dotted because nobody, the prosecutor, judge, no one wants a miscarriage of justice. what judges do -- and i will be honest to you, i happened to my father and a high-profilease. the judge called him and asked intact as the public defender because i want to make sur

. >> that's what judy clark does. the defense attorney makes a deal that gives the government spg of value, if the government is interested. now, the government may say given the magnitude of this crime, given that he's the only defendant, given that we don't need that much, we have his cell phone records, we have his computer. we just want to try him. >> i think susan's report suggest that the authorities know a lot more than we do. >> the bomb was built in the apartment where the wife and child were living. maybe we don't have a full story from her yet. this is just me and my brother. >> how do you build a bomb in the apartment and not have the wife know about it? >> yeah, this is not a seven-room apartment. >> i want to bring in bob baer who has had a lot of experience in this. bob, you, all along, have been very skeptical that these two built this device by themselves. any add viesz advice on the timetable of the attack? >> anderson, that could be correct. there's two things i'd like to say. one is al-qaida has a

. >> judy clark is a legend. this woman is extraordinary. when you look at the list of the worst criminals of the last 20 years, the unibomber, the 9/11 figure, the guy who bombed the atlanta olympics and jared loftner from tucson and the gabby giffords shooting. >> so how does she do it? >> it's two things. one is working with the government and figuring out the route to a deal that leads to life in prison. negotiation. she is brilliant at that. the other thing, if negotiations fail, is to research the life of your client in such a way that a jury will not impose the death penalty. mitigating evidence. yes, they're guilty of this crime. but you have to see them as a complete person. you have to see the influences that formed them. those are the two general categories. >> one thing i read that's fascinating is her first step convincing her clients that they can have a life in prison. that there's a reason to live in a tiny cell for the rest of their lives. that's something they should be aiming for. >> yes, that was fascinating. and to get t

that is what judy clark does. the defense attorney makes a deal that gives the government something of value. if the government is interested. now, the government may say given the magnitude of this crime, given that he's the only defendant, given that we don't really need that much. we have his cell phone records. we have his computer. he has nothing of value. we just want to try him. >> i think susan's report suggest that the authorities know a lot more than we do. >> we do have the laptop computer. we know that now. >> yes, but the bomb was built in the apartment where the wife as chind were living. maybe we don't have a full story from katherine russell, from her yet. this is just me and my brother. that looks like maybe it's getting -- >> how do you build a bomb in the apartment and not have the wife know about it? >> yeah, this is not a seven-room apartment. >> not like a, honey, what are you doing down there? >> i want to bring in bob baer who has had a lot of experience bomb making, in this area. thanks fo

people david gilbert, judy clark, ding go.yn smith, so many other people that aren't here, we want them here with us. >> how does that make you feel? >> very angry. >> o'reilly factor. we just wanted to know if you said anything. >> nothing. >> to the victim's family, professor. >> excuse me. >> yes. >> [inaudible]. >> we would just like to ask the professor some questions here. >> news reporter. >> you have considered donating to any of the victim's families? >> excuse me, i can't be here. >> what's your location? >> school of social work. >> i actually have a letter here from michael page. >> 10/4. >> nothing but regret. >> attempted to lead a life that would express that remorse and that regret. >> sir, you are on private property. i'm going to ask to you leave. >> she a convicted murderer. >> i want to ask you to leave right now. >> she is a cop killer. >> we can get the police here right now to remove and your cameraman. would you like that. >> shown no remorse for this crime and she is using the college as a soapbox to p

that is what judy clarke does. the new defense attorney makes the deal that gives the government something of value. if the government is interested. they may say given the magnitude of this crime and he is the only defendant, given that we don't really need that much, his cell phone records and a computer, he has nothing of value. >> her report suggests that the authorities know a lot more than we do. >> they do have a laptop computer, we know that now. >> the bomb was built in the apartment where they were living, that would suggest that katharine ross so maybe we don't have the full story from her. very dearly on we were told the younger brother said no one else knows about this. and not looks like it may get wider and wider. >> how could the wife not know about it in this tiny apartment? >> this is not an upper west side apartment. >>, want to bring and bob there who knows firsthand what is involved in bomb making. catalog of experience in this area. thanks for joining us. you have been skeptical of the idea th

judy clarke known for her incredible defense work. she's been brought in on this team. we don't have the death penalty on the table yet. >> it tells us a great deal about what the strategy of the defense is going to be. she wouldn't take the case in which a political defense of that suicide nature were being espoused. she's in the case because she knows or expects the deft will say i was young, i was influenced by my brother. i did it. i'm sorry. >> but not i didn't do it. you've got the wrong guy. >> i don't think so. he could not take the stand and let the government put its case on. he might say i didn't know exactly what was going on. my brother ran the whole thing. do you bring danny in as a witness at the trial? >> thank you for bringing that up. >> this guy is not involved with carjacking. what might happen is they might not bring the danny thing in during the guilt phase, bring danny in only during the death penalty face to show they were mitigating factors. >> aggravating factors. >> the state is going to say we now have the right to present the murder itself.

>> i think it is, but i think when you see somebody, judy clark specifically who gets appointed, ande clients that she's represented in the federal system, it is almost always somebody where guilt seems to be a foregone conclusion, and she comes in to see if she can save the person from the death penalty. now, if you want t t to talk aba waste of resources, i will tell you that the death penalty machinery in this country, and it's notc just me as a defense lawyer saying it, our former chief justice in california said it. it's broken. part of the reason that you have all of these resources is because we have a death penalty, because there's so many levels of review, and we end up spending ungodly amounts of money on these things when really, we've got no reason to. >> mike: mark, how do you personally deal with a person that is a notorious defendant like dzhokhar is going to be? i mean, for most of us, this will be hard to understand. walk into the courtroom sitting with this. guy and having to defend him. how do you do that as a lawyer? >> i've had clients who have been notoriously t

this judy clark is going to be defending the boston bomber.ut the charges give bivictoria tensing that administration officials are threatening c.i.a., state department and department of defense officials and then he plays dumb. let's watch it. >> there are people in your own state department saying they've been blocked from coming forward, that they survived the terrorist attack and they want to tell their story. will you help them come forward and say it once and for all? >> ed, i'm not familiar with this notion that anybody has been blocked from testifying, so what i'll do is i will find out what exactly you're referring to. >> they hired an attorney because they're saying they've been blocked. >> i'm not familiar with it. >> you know, one of my daughters since she was ten would say, whatever. i mean, that's what he says. fox is the number one rated -- >> brian: the notion -- >> news channel in the united states and there was a big report the night before, it was covered that morning. it's well-known that there is problems that the congress

judy clark. dinga.elyn smith so many other people that are not here we want them here with us and hopefully some day they will be. >> megyn: the people who are still in prison. who is she talking about? >> her husband david gilbert and several other co-defendants that she is on a soapbox at these two colleges to try to accomplish her mission by swaying the young students there that weren't even born when these crimes took place. and her radical views are still the same as they were in the 1960's. >> megyn: she has a lot of empathy for the people in jail for their crimes and their murders. not so much for the victims and the families of their victims. take us back to that day. i mean, because some would have us believe bill ayers recently came out and said we were all about property damage. that's what the weather underground was all about. property damage, not killing anybody. >> well, on that day we had a road block set up at the two entrances. and based on a description that had been put out on the po

and for that reason, prominent defense attorney judy clarke also has joined the team.k defended the unabomber ted kaczynski and jared loughner most recently. he went on a shooting rampage killing six people and severely wounding congresswoman gabby giffords when he shot her in the head. all escaping the death penalty, getting life sentences instead. >> the primary goal that miriam will have is saving her client's life and the first step toward doing that is making a connection with the client. establishing rapport so that he trusts her, so that she can get the information that she needs from him. and so that ultimately he respects and listens to her legal advice. >> reporter: legal experts say a big strategy for the defense team right now is to delay. until the american public is not paying as close attention. jake tapper, cnn, boston. >>> let's talk more about the legal strategy. let's bring in avery and richard, our usual legal minds here. civil rights attorney avery freedman as well as criminal defense attorney joining us from las vegas, richard herman. gentlemen, i