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how does judy clark make this case? >> let me tell you. there's a question about his parents being militant. i would show this kid came to united states trying to escape that militantly. he went to school but could not escape the militantcy he was born with. ladies and gentlemen, you have to show something different than he showed. you escape the death penalty. put him in prison for life. >> at this point he's away at college. he has the exposure to so many people who are not of a mind like this. >> not only that and i think we've just passed what i considered to be the most important count in the indictment the martin richard count. that's an 8-year-old child killed by this bomb. the maiming of children killing of children who were close to that bomb that's the thing that's going to resinate in favor of the death penalty. getting back to your question. a case like this -- judy clark, the defense attorney has such an uphill battle. number one, he's almost functions as an officer of a military organization attacking the united states the cl
how does judy clark make this case? >> let me tell you. there's a question about his parents being militant. i would show this kid came to united states trying to escape that militantly. he went to school but could not escape the militantcy he was born with. ladies and gentlemen, you have to show something different than he showed. you escape the death penalty. put him in prison for life. >> at this point he's away at college. he has the exposure to so many people who are not of a...
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do you think that judy clark's hope is on the individual? >> if judy clark does not focus on the individual in the sentencing phase it would be a mess stab. my former law professor. i just think the world of him. also this is a demonstration of how our system gets it right time after time. massachusetts -- the federal system allows the death penalty in this case. i believe that the jurors in this case will set aside whatever sunil feelings they have about the issue. they will follow the law as the judge charges them. agreed and swore under oath to follow the law. this being a terroristic act. so stole their lease and save the. i think that they will follow the law. >> do you agree with all of that? >> i am not so sure that they will. that one jurors questioned does worrying. he said, east essentially he has a bias against the death penalty. he generally does not like it, but he would can enter it in this case. it only takes one to take the death multi- off the table. that worries me. we are waiting for both prosecutors and visit dumps to com
do you think that judy clark's hope is on the individual? >> if judy clark does not focus on the individual in the sentencing phase it would be a mess stab. my former law professor. i just think the world of him. also this is a demonstration of how our system gets it right time after time. massachusetts -- the federal system allows the death penalty in this case. i believe that the jurors in this case will set aside whatever sunil feelings they have about the issue. they will follow the...
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you have judy clark who has her work cut out for her. how does she convince the jury this was not sowdzhokhar and that they should spare his life. >> this wasn't a who done it case. it was and remains a case of why. i suspect the jury will come back on a guilty verdict on probably every single count. can judy clark convince the jury he deserves any sort of mercy? i wonder if that is possible without tsarnaev getting on the stand and showing some sort of remorse. we've been watching him in the courtroom. he hasn't been animated hasn't shown remorse. the jury, i'm quite sure has been watching him. without hearing from this defense, without hearing remorse and without showing this jury he is not completely radicalized and under the thumb of his older brother, i can't imagine judy clark can show this jury given the amount of evidence that they have against him, that she can show this jury he deserves to have his life spared. >> okay. robert would you, if he's your client would you put dzhokhar tsarnaev on the stand to try to get sympathy or
you have judy clark who has her work cut out for her. how does she convince the jury this was not sowdzhokhar and that they should spare his life. >> this wasn't a who done it case. it was and remains a case of why. i suspect the jury will come back on a guilty verdict on probably every single count. can judy clark convince the jury he deserves any sort of mercy? i wonder if that is possible without tsarnaev getting on the stand and showing some sort of remorse. we've been watching him in...
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all eyes will be on the attorney judy clark in what she says about trying to save her client's life. we have legal analyst and defense attorney mark. thanks for being with us. you look at charges, tsarnaev accused of aiding and abetting conspiracy. what are the key issues here for the jury to consider? >> well i hate to kind of ruin the suspense of it but the defense is basically going to concede most of these counts. the defense's job and the reason judy clark is there is not to try to defend against the guilt phase of this case but to really and try to set this up. the argument is going to be to set is up or give a preview of the penalty phase. the the penalty phase will be that she's going to try to argue and forcefully argue for life without parole as opposed to death penalty. everything she's doing from the beginning at the opening statement where she was talking about it was him to now when she says it was him but you've seen the description of him. she's going to paint a portrait and show during the penalty phase someone manipulated, troubled and dominated by his older brother
all eyes will be on the attorney judy clark in what she says about trying to save her client's life. we have legal analyst and defense attorney mark. thanks for being with us. you look at charges, tsarnaev accused of aiding and abetting conspiracy. what are the key issues here for the jury to consider? >> well i hate to kind of ruin the suspense of it but the defense is basically going to concede most of these counts. the defense's job and the reason judy clark is there is not to try to...
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judy clarke will be arguing better than this weasael deserves, but that's our system. >> if judy clarke is successful, dzhokhar will spend the rest of his life in the florence colorado super max, which has been called the clean version of hell. can you give the folks an insight into what it is like to life there? >> the oklahoma city bombing, nichols asked to be put to death because of the conditions that they're in. 23 hours a day inside a cell no contact with others. nothing to do except stare at a wall and think about the crimes you have committed and the lives that you have impacted so it is just a very very difficult place to be and many people would argue that it is a crime worse than death. >> thank you both for your insights and reporting on this case with us this hour. dzhokhar tsarnaev found guilty on 30 counts in the boston marathon bombing. that's it for "the cycle." we end our broadcast with some new footage of a mother whose children's limbs were taken off during the attack. >> for myself i want to see the death penalty. >> you could live with that? >> i could. >> do you t
judy clarke will be arguing better than this weasael deserves, but that's our system. >> if judy clarke is successful, dzhokhar will spend the rest of his life in the florence colorado super max, which has been called the clean version of hell. can you give the folks an insight into what it is like to life there? >> the oklahoma city bombing, nichols asked to be put to death because of the conditions that they're in. 23 hours a day inside a cell no contact with others. nothing to do...
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judy clark says he was brainwashed. some people say, look let him rot in prison.ve these want to be jihadies cause to come and do this since they'll reach heaven and reach their own version of paradise. so it is an interesting question about whether he should stay in prison. that's what the -- anybody who said i'm against the death penalty, they're not sitting on that jury right now and judy clark said keep an open mind just as you just said. >> we'll see more about that when the penalty phase begins. we can presume there will be guilty here and we'll hear about mitigating and why shouldn't you put him to death or why should you put him to death. >> should be interesting. thanks so much. >>> in the meantime another jury is trying to decide the fate of former nfl star aaron hernandez. the former new england patriots player charged with first-degree murder for killing odin lloyd. among the evidence being weighed, testimony by the patriots owner robert kraft as well as surveillance footage from hernandez's home security system. jurors could come back with a verdict i
judy clark says he was brainwashed. some people say, look let him rot in prison.ve these want to be jihadies cause to come and do this since they'll reach heaven and reach their own version of paradise. so it is an interesting question about whether he should stay in prison. that's what the -- anybody who said i'm against the death penalty, they're not sitting on that jury right now and judy clark said keep an open mind just as you just said. >> we'll see more about that when the penalty...
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we know that judie clark is a renowned criminal defense attorney, representing joe, and they seem to,least to a lot of experts and folks covering the trial, take it easy through the guilt phase. as you said, at the beginning of the outset of the guilt phase of the trial, she admitted, look, he did it. that is not in question. moving into the penalty phase we are looking at the same jury, seven women, five me determining whether the penalty for dzhokhar life. in this case, i think you are going to see judy and the defense team push hard to make sure they get their client's life saved. he gets a life sentence, versus having to pay the death penalty. >> several of the counts carry a death sentence. what is the line of approach. what is it about 21-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev that they want to convince the jury is worthy of consideration to they might spare them? >> what they'll do is take the jurorors back, going back to years in time. he was only 19 years old is what they are going to say, and they'll paint a picture of a confused college student. they started that process during the gui
we know that judie clark is a renowned criminal defense attorney, representing joe, and they seem to,least to a lot of experts and folks covering the trial, take it easy through the guilt phase. as you said, at the beginning of the outset of the guilt phase of the trial, she admitted, look, he did it. that is not in question. moving into the penalty phase we are looking at the same jury, seven women, five me determining whether the penalty for dzhokhar life. in this case, i think you are going...
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what we'll hear from judy clark and her colleagues is probably of a psychological nature. why his world could have been overwhelmed. why he could have been intimidated. >> reporter: the jury much reach a unanimous decision on whether to execute tsarnaev. le a cbs poll shows 60% of americans favor executing tsarnaev. ed davis. >> i'm not a big advocate of the death penalty. i've never been extremely supportive of it. i think it has its place and i think this is the place. >> reporter: but the victim patrick downs who lost a leg said he wants tsarnaev to spend the rest of his life in prison. >> i want this to be over. i want this over for the city and the family. >> the penalty phase is expected to last about four weeks. >>> blue bell creamery says it doesn't know how its products were contaminated with a potentially deadly bacteria. >> reporter: the blue bell recall is rare and sweeping the company voluntarily called all of its products after two samples of cookie dough ice cream tested positive for listeria. symptoms include fever, nausea and diarrhea. >> we're heartbroken
what we'll hear from judy clark and her colleagues is probably of a psychological nature. why his world could have been overwhelmed. why he could have been intimidated. >> reporter: the jury much reach a unanimous decision on whether to execute tsarnaev. le a cbs poll shows 60% of americans favor executing tsarnaev. ed davis. >> i'm not a big advocate of the death penalty. i've never been extremely supportive of it. i think it has its place and i think this is the place. >>...
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the whole theory of judy clark and defense team has been to spare his life.if he gets on the stand and goes rogue, i want to die, want to be a martyr jealous of my brother, put me to death. that may be the fear. does he really want to die, does he not? we don't know. when you put him on the stand, it becomes risky. there's a mitigation specialist. there's a person who has looked into the family his, who is he where's he from what has he done to his life? that will give compelling testimonies or investigated facts and circumstances to allow others to give testimony which he could otherwise give. why allow him to get on the stand to do something so many other people can do on his behalf? >> let's not forget three people were killed at the finish line of the boston marathon almost exactly two years ago. 264 people were injured and later a police officer was killed in the process of their attempted escape that went on as we know for a few days. let's bring this julia, our kn national security analyst, joining us from boston. this whole trial has had enormous imfa
the whole theory of judy clark and defense team has been to spare his life.if he gets on the stand and goes rogue, i want to die, want to be a martyr jealous of my brother, put me to death. that may be the fear. does he really want to die, does he not? we don't know. when you put him on the stand, it becomes risky. there's a mitigation specialist. there's a person who has looked into the family his, who is he where's he from what has he done to his life? that will give compelling testimonies or...
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in opening states and closing statements, judy clark told the jurors he is guilty. it's a question was he under the influence, was he under the control. was it big brother versus little brother? is the jury going to buy that and spare him of his life? david: jay, what about the influence of a state, having a death penalty, given in a state that is so averse to death penalty? is there a -- i know it is federal court. it is not a state court. they will have the opportunity to give a death penalty, but doesn't the culture impinge upon that decision? >> i actually disagree with eric. i think uphill battle is for the prosecution because you are in massachusetts. it's a very liberal state. even though there will be some very graphic and depictive evidence and testimony by the prosecution during the penalty phase, during the death penalty phase of the trial, you have, as he mentioned, judy clark and bill stick, who are the defense lawyers for tsarnaev. i've personally known bill fix over 30 years. he is a genius. he is a yale law grad --fick. if you watched trial he dade a
in opening states and closing statements, judy clark told the jurors he is guilty. it's a question was he under the influence, was he under the control. was it big brother versus little brother? is the jury going to buy that and spare him of his life? david: jay, what about the influence of a state, having a death penalty, given in a state that is so averse to death penalty? is there a -- i know it is federal court. it is not a state court. they will have the opportunity to give a death...
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it allows judy clark to put together many mitigating factors.k they'll save this guy from death because he was under the influence of his brother. they'll use that as a way of looking at it and thinking about all the emotional factors in his life, how he was treated as a child, and then he is going to be looking to see if there's anything mitigating that could save him from what his crime clearly deserves? >> what could there possibly be? >> there's no obligation to give advanced what the mitigating factors are going to be, and they're not limited to the mitigating factors in the statute. they could put forward anything that's arguably relevant the system has said. >> kendall, just -- not that we haven't gone over this before but as we move to this penalty phase, how long would you say with the evidence mitigating and deliberations? is it going to be as long -- is it going to take as long as this first trial did? >> it may not take as long but i expect it will be a couple of weeks. >> prosecution's work doesn't appear to be done. i agree with th
it allows judy clark to put together many mitigating factors.k they'll save this guy from death because he was under the influence of his brother. they'll use that as a way of looking at it and thinking about all the emotional factors in his life, how he was treated as a child, and then he is going to be looking to see if there's anything mitigating that could save him from what his crime clearly deserves? >> what could there possibly be? >> there's no obligation to give advanced...
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i think judy clarke is the best criminal defense attorney in the country at this point. it is a challenge. all of these are. i did a death penalty case where there were 13 victims. i was able to save that person's life, but you have to be consistent. you have to have the trust of the jury and you have to not present anything that's not credible. >> it sounds like it's almost sort of an emotional dance with the jury to keep them focused on the crime, but also on the character of the person of dzhokhar tsarnaev who has been found guilty, to not lose their trust in a way throughout the trial. how does the testimony and the evidence that is presented differ in this second sentencing phase from the earlier extended trial? >> well knowing the challenge involved on the defense side, i would assume it's going to be very consistent. my guess will be there's going to be a lot of testimony from experts, psychiatrists, psychologists, other people who will say it is not uncommon for an older brother to influence a younger brother. the sniper case ten years ago in the washington, d.c.
i think judy clarke is the best criminal defense attorney in the country at this point. it is a challenge. all of these are. i did a death penalty case where there were 13 victims. i was able to save that person's life, but you have to be consistent. you have to have the trust of the jury and you have to not present anything that's not credible. >> it sounds like it's almost sort of an emotional dance with the jury to keep them focused on the crime, but also on the character of the person...
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somebody like judy clarke that is iconic. you have a young defendant.you have an attractive defendant. you have a sympathetic defendant in some people's eyes. if you go through that in a way you are not alienating a jury you're going to have points. >> to that end, the polling on this in terms of the city of boston supporting one outcome or the other -- 62% of the city boston voters polled would sentence him to life in prison. 27% would sentence him to death. how did you read those numbers? >> it's not that surprising. massachusetts is not a death penalty state. the only reason we're talking about it here is because this is a federal case. death penalty has a long tradition here. that said, this was a unique attack. this was an attack on the city itself. it was a horrific attack. look, the government has made a big decision to go for death here. they have put a lot of resources into this. they have not backed down. i have no doubt that judy clarke and the defense team has tried to negotiate a deal with them for months and the only reason we're seeing a
somebody like judy clarke that is iconic. you have a young defendant.you have an attractive defendant. you have a sympathetic defendant in some people's eyes. if you go through that in a way you are not alienating a jury you're going to have points. >> to that end, the polling on this in terms of the city of boston supporting one outcome or the other -- 62% of the city boston voters polled would sentence him to life in prison. 27% would sentence him to death. how did you read those...
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i think it's going to really depend on the dynamics of this jury and let's remember he has judy clarking him. she's a death penalty expert. if you are facing the death penalty, this is the attorney that you want. she knows how to do this. i think what will be very interesting is whether or not he will testify. this jury has -- i know the juries look at defendants. i know that they want to see some sort of remorse. they want to get a read on this defendant. you and i were just talking, what is it -- why would he do something like this? was it really that his brother had this hold over him or is he totally radicalized? i think the jury will want to hear from him. i think that decision is probably being made right now. that's what will be fascinating about this. >> i talked to alexandra field about his demeanor in the courtroom. every time he comes into the courtroom, his attorney what's her name judy clark, she adjusts his clothes and kind of treats him almost like a son, like a young person. >> we expect to see that from judy. some people -- the legal geeks like myself she's sort of th
i think it's going to really depend on the dynamics of this jury and let's remember he has judy clarking him. she's a death penalty expert. if you are facing the death penalty, this is the attorney that you want. she knows how to do this. i think what will be very interesting is whether or not he will testify. this jury has -- i know the juries look at defendants. i know that they want to see some sort of remorse. they want to get a read on this defendant. you and i were just talking, what is...
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if you're judy clark, who do you put on the stand?ink she has a lot to work with at this point. i think the jury doesn't know tsarnaev at all. and that was i'm sure by design. she said from the very beginning she was guilty of these crimes. the only job is to save his life. you need people that will humanize tsarnaev. i think that's the first step. what's interesting is that it has to sort of be a two prong defense. you have so many survivors saying i don't want him put to death. i want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. when he was found in that boat and captured he seemed to indicate with his scrawlings on the side of the boat that he regretted and almost admired his brother for dying and becoming a martyr. >> he ran over his brother. >> he wants to be a martyr. so what do you do to a man that wants to die? you don't put him to death. you make him live the rest of his life in prison so i think that's got to be the two-prong defense that we may see from judy clark. >> you know by law are jurors supposed to consider that if
if you're judy clark, who do you put on the stand?ink she has a lot to work with at this point. i think the jury doesn't know tsarnaev at all. and that was i'm sure by design. she said from the very beginning she was guilty of these crimes. the only job is to save his life. you need people that will humanize tsarnaev. i think that's the first step. what's interesting is that it has to sort of be a two prong defense. you have so many survivors saying i don't want him put to death. i want him to...
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we knew that because judy clark, his defense attorney who is one of the best in the country, startedut by saying he did this. this was about whether or not she could save his life. that's what we're seeing play out. >> the big question i have is the impact you believe that the victim's family speaking out on the stand and what the impact is then on the jury. you can see what the prosecution is arguing for the death penalty. what's the impact of these stories being told once again to the jury? >> i think in terms of the cruelty of this crime and heinous nature of this crime, that's what these people will be speaking to. they're going to be speaking to how this has affected their lives and especially hearing from the families of the little boy, martin richards, that was killed. that in and of itself is enough to establish heinous and cruel nature of this crime. that's why we're hearing from them again. i don't think that the jury is going to hear what they would like the sentence to be. the supreme court has been pretty clear on that. the jury can't hear what they would like the senten
we knew that because judy clark, his defense attorney who is one of the best in the country, startedut by saying he did this. this was about whether or not she could save his life. that's what we're seeing play out. >> the big question i have is the impact you believe that the victim's family speaking out on the stand and what the impact is then on the jury. you can see what the prosecution is arguing for the death penalty. what's the impact of these stories being told once again to the...
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judy clarke since then has worked on these sorts of cases. trying to keep people off -- away from the death penalty and to get life in prison. she's good at it. >> let me tell you something. if you went to the justice department right now and ask them who they think should be the lawyer for the defendant in this case they say judy clarke. that's how well respected she is. what she's done is really pure genius. she's conceding the aggravating factors. she's thrown in the towel on them. what she has said from the beginning of guilt/innocence is the relative role in the case specifically had the older brother been alive, there wouldn't be a death penalty case right now for the younger brother because he would have gotten life without patrol and all efforts would have gone after the older brother. the 17-year-old, they just got life, no parole. here, unfortunately, for this defendant, his brother was killed. >> i hadn't even thought about it in this way. >> drew is right on the mark because he knows the law. one of the mitigating factors is, thin
judy clarke since then has worked on these sorts of cases. trying to keep people off -- away from the death penalty and to get life in prison. she's good at it. >> let me tell you something. if you went to the justice department right now and ask them who they think should be the lawyer for the defendant in this case they say judy clarke. that's how well respected she is. what she's done is really pure genius. she's conceding the aggravating factors. she's thrown in the towel on them....
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when you add that to the fact that judy clark tame in so genuine and so sincere, saying to the jury fromhe get-go, i'm not going to give you somethin that's unbelievable, i'm not going to ask aye to go only some ridiculous journey with me. >> these are the other bad people that she's been able to get the death penalty from, jared loughner, susan smith, thee. >> you have judy clarke saying you know what, she believes him and she's telling me that he's wrong. but you have to use a few other things. >> there's a prosecution side. a lot of news going on. thank you so much randy. >>> the dzhokhar tsarnaev boston bombing case brings the debate about the death penalty to a whole different level in my mind. you're going to always have people who are for to death penalty and those who are not. i think we should look at islamic terrorisms whose only mission in live is to kill americans. if you don't send islamic terrorists to death that sends a message to the outside world and to any terrorist that we're weak. i say this with a lot of deep thought on the matter i covered the execution of the oklah
when you add that to the fact that judy clark tame in so genuine and so sincere, saying to the jury fromhe get-go, i'm not going to give you somethin that's unbelievable, i'm not going to ask aye to go only some ridiculous journey with me. >> these are the other bad people that she's been able to get the death penalty from, jared loughner, susan smith, thee. >> you have judy clarke saying you know what, she believes him and she's telling me that he's wrong. but you have to use a few...
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>> so again, this is judy clark, judy clark, one person to have a little bit of sympathy, his brother made him do it, he was 19. >> so young and i am king of prussia on recall. >> two things called mitigating factors, and aggravating factors. the prosecution has to prove that there is aggravating factors such as a policeman was killed here, a young boy was kill here, those are the aggravating factors, mitigating factors where you talk about, mike, he was young, his brother influenced him. so those two things are the things that the jurally have to way. then they have to make tee decision whether to put him in dot. >> two people died at the bombing site, but police officer was looking for mitt? >> shot in the head multiple times by this guy, this bomber, i won't even say his name either. >> when will it take up, next month? >> next week. >> they start the sentencing taze. >> it could last, i think, probably last was two weeks. >> really, that long? >> well, yes, they'll put a lot of witnesses on. >> good seeing you. >> clorox, you know the bleach people? well, there is a mark that clor
>> so again, this is judy clark, judy clark, one person to have a little bit of sympathy, his brother made him do it, he was 19. >> so young and i am king of prussia on recall. >> two things called mitigating factors, and aggravating factors. the prosecution has to prove that there is aggravating factors such as a policeman was killed here, a young boy was kill here, those are the aggravating factors, mitigating factors where you talk about, mike, he was young, his brother...
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the reason i do this danny is because who cares in judy clark can convince the jurors that big brother tamerlan was really the ring leader with aidesing and abetting and conspiracy is a part of every charge? >> well the liability said it's going to be hard to defeat that. but again as joey pointed out, this is a gamut. he's looking ahead to the penalty phase, at least in terms of the guilt phase, you're right. the word aiding, the jurors are going to bring their normal application of those words to their daily life. and as much as the defense has done a terrific job of literally and figuratively saying tamerlan's fingerprints on all over this case, it's not that high of a threshold to find that he aided, abetted or conspired. i think that's a difficult hurdle for the defense to get over. >>> and those charges don't change in the death phase. you still have conspiracy and aid and abet. you hand over the jury forms to these 12 laypeople who aren't lawyers and they're not used to this language and they're not used to american injury ris prudence and they've got in front of them anywhere i
the reason i do this danny is because who cares in judy clark can convince the jurors that big brother tamerlan was really the ring leader with aidesing and abetting and conspiracy is a part of every charge? >> well the liability said it's going to be hard to defeat that. but again as joey pointed out, this is a gamut. he's looking ahead to the penalty phase, at least in terms of the guilt phase, you're right. the word aiding, the jurors are going to bring their normal application of...
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judie clark, she's 63 years old. she's been doing this for 20 years, and is passionate dead set against the penalty of any kind. she has a history of saving people in this position. like ted kacinski the uni bomber and eric the olympic bomber from the 1990s, and susan smith from south carolina who drowned her children and she convinced the jury that susan smith was the victim of abuse, and saved her life. the strategy we hinted in the report regarding dzhokhar tsarnaev is they want to paint the picture of him being a confused college boy, a loner from a broken home manipulated by his elder brother tama lan - that's crucial - but also that the state should not take a life. that's the defense. she's done well in the past judy clark lost a couple of key points in the trial. many say this is her toughest challenge in her 20 i don't remember career. >> let's talk about the key points. what are they? >> the key one is moving the trial. the defense wanted to move the trial so badly from boston because they said "look, it's
judie clark, she's 63 years old. she's been doing this for 20 years, and is passionate dead set against the penalty of any kind. she has a history of saving people in this position. like ted kacinski the uni bomber and eric the olympic bomber from the 1990s, and susan smith from south carolina who drowned her children and she convinced the jury that susan smith was the victim of abuse, and saved her life. the strategy we hinted in the report regarding dzhokhar tsarnaev is they want to paint the...
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a lot of survivors want him to get life. >> getting back to judy clarke, highly regarded, considered maybe the top death penalty lawyer in the country but when i look at her track record, she seems to be most effective at scaring prosecutors into taking pleas and giving life sentences. i don't see a lot of acquittals by juries in her cases. and i think in this case, when we're sending american soldiers into harm's way to hunt down terrorists abroad, how can a jury in this case, say when they have one sitting in a courtroom right in front of them. >> they've found guilty. >> we're going to give him life. it's a tough argument in front of a jury but massachusetts is a jurisdiction that opposes the penalty. >> great discussion. thank you both, paul and joey. nice to see you guys again. and thank you very much for watching. i'm randi kaye. "wolf" starts right now. >>> hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington, 6:00 p.m. in london, 7:00 p.m. in vatican city, 10:00 p.m. in islamabad, wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we start with
a lot of survivors want him to get life. >> getting back to judy clarke, highly regarded, considered maybe the top death penalty lawyer in the country but when i look at her track record, she seems to be most effective at scaring prosecutors into taking pleas and giving life sentences. i don't see a lot of acquittals by juries in her cases. and i think in this case, when we're sending american soldiers into harm's way to hunt down terrorists abroad, how can a jury in this case, say when...
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. >> mark, the defense attorney, judy clark, well known for her work on death penalty cases.e also said this. in many different ways but one way she said it was very notable. tamerlan led. dzhokhar followed. did she make a strong enough case for that. she's looking ahead to the penalty phase already. >> the only point of the whole defense team is to convince one juror, not that he's not guilty, that's not going to happen, but one juror he should not be put to death because they need to have a unanimous verdict for death in order for it to be imposed in this case. so their whole thought process is not to do anything other than to decide or have a jury decide to save his life. >> what is judy clark trying to get at when she said more than once keep an open mind. what is she trying to lay the groundwork for there? >> she's very good at personalizing her client and she has to do that by maintaining her own integrity with the jury so that's why i think it was a great move by the defense team to give into what they know is going to be proven. they're not going to walk out without c
. >> mark, the defense attorney, judy clark, well known for her work on death penalty cases.e also said this. in many different ways but one way she said it was very notable. tamerlan led. dzhokhar followed. did she make a strong enough case for that. she's looking ahead to the penalty phase already. >> the only point of the whole defense team is to convince one juror, not that he's not guilty, that's not going to happen, but one juror he should not be put to death because they need...
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but i think what's most important is judy clarke is going to put on a masterful defense. >> judy clarke his lawyer? >> the defense attorney. let me remind you, kosinski, gerald lee loughner susan smith, all of them she got life instead of the penalty. >> we'll leave it there. thank you both for your time tonight. and catch seema on "the docket" tuesday at 3:00 p.m. on msnbc. >>> rand paul as a candidate probably won't be one to remember his testy exchange when asked about his changing views. and what might former bill clinton's role look like in a hillary clinton campaign? he's talking about it. "conversation nation" is next. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great... ...if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog-walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com. no more calling around. no more hassles. and you don't even have to be a member to start shopping today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again.
but i think what's most important is judy clarke is going to put on a masterful defense. >> judy clarke his lawyer? >> the defense attorney. let me remind you, kosinski, gerald lee loughner susan smith, all of them she got life instead of the penalty. >> we'll leave it there. thank you both for your time tonight. and catch seema on "the docket" tuesday at 3:00 p.m. on msnbc. >>> rand paul as a candidate probably won't be one to remember his testy exchange...
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defense attorney judy clarke told jurors tsarnaev stands ready to be held responsible but argued his older brother tamerlan who planned the attack and researched and bought bomb components. if not for tamerlan it would not have happened. >> it was a crime halves proven quite clearly in all aspects, in terms of the involvement of these individuals. so i don't suspect there's going to be any real difficulty in a jury reaching the verdict on many charges. >> in prosecutor's eyes and words to the jury, tsarnaev was a full participant and co-conspirator with his older brother. the defense argues he was a teen afraid of letting tamerlan down. we'll soon know which version the jury believes. tsarnaev faces 30 counts 17 of them could bring the death penalty. so if the jury convicts him on any one of those death pemt counts it will launch the death penalty phase of this trial. live in boston chris pollone. milissa, back to you. >> chris, thank you. >>> also in massachusetts closing arguments set to begin in the murder trial of former new england patriots player aaron hernandez. he's accused o
defense attorney judy clarke told jurors tsarnaev stands ready to be held responsible but argued his older brother tamerlan who planned the attack and researched and bought bomb components. if not for tamerlan it would not have happened. >> it was a crime halves proven quite clearly in all aspects, in terms of the involvement of these individuals. so i don't suspect there's going to be any real difficulty in a jury reaching the verdict on many charges. >> in prosecutor's eyes and...
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the defense team lead by attorney judy clark who successfully kept past clients including uni-bomber off death row will try to do the same for tsarnaev. >> they knew he would be convicted. the question is can we save his life? >> the defense is hoping to do that by convincing jurors that tsarnaev's older brother was the mastermind and an unconvincing claim to many. >> we should know in a few weeks. that's how long the sentencing phase is expected to last. they have not said if he will take the stand. >> there were a lot of people in boston the day of the bombing. he says he is relieved, but not ready to forgive. >> very good at forgiving. i have to say this is one instance i cannot forgive. i just cannot accept and forgive what happened. >> it is too personal. >> other runners who were there had similar comments and most are hoping for the harshest penalty possible. he faces 17 possible death sentences for four murders and 250 injuries in the terrorist attack. >>> california is one step closer to making childhood vaccinations mandatory. a state senate committee passed a bill baring m
the defense team lead by attorney judy clark who successfully kept past clients including uni-bomber off death row will try to do the same for tsarnaev. >> they knew he would be convicted. the question is can we save his life? >> the defense is hoping to do that by convincing jurors that tsarnaev's older brother was the mastermind and an unconvincing claim to many. >> we should know in a few weeks. that's how long the sentencing phase is expected to last. they have not said if...
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he communicated a little bit it seemed with his attorney judy clarke who stood by his side. the jury filed in 12 jurors who have been deliberating for 11 1/2 hours before reaching that verdict of guilty on 30 counts and they barely looked at him. 11 of the 12 jurors staring ahead at the clerk, staring ahead at the judge, not looking off to the side to dzhokhar tsarnaev. one juror seeming to try to look over at him. of course the rest of the courtroom, all of our eyes were glued on really just the back and side of his face. that's all you can see from the back of the courtroom. but it is where the survivors of the bombings sit. its's where the family members of the victims sit. when the jury filed into the courtroom it was just completely silent in that room. you could see some of the family members really trying to get a good look at the faces of the jurors trying to see if they could read anything on their faces. you would also see them look over at dzhokhar tsarnaev to try and have some sort of sense of how he was interpreting all of these readings of the word guilty. fran
he communicated a little bit it seemed with his attorney judy clarke who stood by his side. the jury filed in 12 jurors who have been deliberating for 11 1/2 hours before reaching that verdict of guilty on 30 counts and they barely looked at him. 11 of the 12 jurors staring ahead at the clerk, staring ahead at the judge, not looking off to the side to dzhokhar tsarnaev. one juror seeming to try to look over at him. of course the rest of the courtroom, all of our eyes were glued on really just...
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and judy clark could call psychological scientists that dzokhar was not fully mature in this respect. but one you would have to try. >> and they argued that tamerlan, dzokhar's brother made him do it, did they present that effectively? >> i don't think it is possible to present that case effectively given that evidence. they presented it as well as they could. but to truly mitigate dzokhar's involvement here either as to the guilt phase or as to the penalty phase, i think you need to show more than that tamerlan was the instigator here. dzokhar seems to have bought into it completely. without the note in the boat, perhaps there would be more of an argument here. but even after the crime was completed and he had fled and was hiding. he had time to sit down and think and he wrote in his own words to give some perspective on the purposes behind the actions and to state he was proud of what he had done. that is not the statement of a purpose who was dragged unwillingly into the crime by a domineering older brother. >> we're watching this closely. caleb mason, thank you for being with us.
and judy clark could call psychological scientists that dzokhar was not fully mature in this respect. but one you would have to try. >> and they argued that tamerlan, dzokhar's brother made him do it, did they present that effectively? >> i don't think it is possible to present that case effectively given that evidence. they presented it as well as they could. but to truly mitigate dzokhar's involvement here either as to the guilt phase or as to the penalty phase, i think you need...
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. >> judy clark, the defense attorney in this case, one of the defense attorneys in this case, she hasen very successful in arguing against the death penalty in other high profile cases. what you know of her other cases, nothing's exactly like this, but the way she's defended other people, do you have any insight as to how she might go about arguing against having him put to death? >> there is. this defense team has been called the death penalty dream defense team. they have highly talented lawyers led by judy clark, and what she's done in other cases is really tried to get the jury to empathize with the defendant. they will never understand how he got to the place he did, and participated in these mass destruction. but what she needs to do is try to get them to have some empathy for his upbringing, his adolescence, his immigrant status, and the coercive influence of his older brother. she's been very successful at being able to personalize her unlikable client so that the jury can see that. she did this with susan smith with respect to the woman that killed her two children. and she w
. >> judy clark, the defense attorney in this case, one of the defense attorneys in this case, she hasen very successful in arguing against the death penalty in other high profile cases. what you know of her other cases, nothing's exactly like this, but the way she's defended other people, do you have any insight as to how she might go about arguing against having him put to death? >> there is. this defense team has been called the death penalty dream defense team. they have highly...
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. >> i do want to talk about a fascinating, important woman judy clark, the defense attorney someone defended zacarias mousse sowy and defended unabomber ted kaczynski. what do we know about her? >> she's a very accomplished defense attorney and a defender. if anyone puts to rest the myth that somehow public defenders are less effective, let me disabuse you of the notion and let judy clark do it too. she's one of the leading capital punishment defense attorneys with the leading public defender. she's outstanding and very respected and as you can see from her resume she's handled some of the biggest cases around and her gamut from the beginning has been smart in that she's not fighting the idea of liability, but she is fighting to save his life because that's the endgame here. >> absolutely is. 100%. could she do it? that's another story. >> we'll be watching. >> do you think he lives or does he die? >> i think he lives. no one save this tape, just in case. >> the tape will be saved. we'll be following it gentlemen. >> i think he dies. >> you do? >> i do. >> these closing arguments be
. >> i do want to talk about a fascinating, important woman judy clark, the defense attorney someone defended zacarias mousse sowy and defended unabomber ted kaczynski. what do we know about her? >> she's a very accomplished defense attorney and a defender. if anyone puts to rest the myth that somehow public defenders are less effective, let me disabuse you of the notion and let judy clark do it too. she's one of the leading capital punishment defense attorneys with the leading...
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judy clark has kept many bombers from execution. her strategies is that he fell under the influence of his radicalized older brother tamerlan. much of it was caught on video. graphic video for the jury as witness after witness described the events of 2013. the jury was shown the timeline of the brothers' activities. they arrive with back packs, enter the crowd, the bombs explode and the brothers leave without the back packs. 92 witnesses testify tying the defendant to the blast and violence that follows. >> reporter: survivor stephanie gregg lost a leg. she found strength. >> that moment was very liberating for me. i was looking at the person that tried to destroy me right in the face and showing them they didn't destroy me. >> reporter: the jurors will first decide the 30 charges. if tsarnaev is found guilty the penalty phase begins. all jurors said they would consider the death penalty. >>> this morning president obama is taking on skeptics of his preliminary deal to roll back iran's nigh clear program. he calls the framework a on
judy clark has kept many bombers from execution. her strategies is that he fell under the influence of his radicalized older brother tamerlan. much of it was caught on video. graphic video for the jury as witness after witness described the events of 2013. the jury was shown the timeline of the brothers' activities. they arrive with back packs, enter the crowd, the bombs explode and the brothers leave without the back packs. 92 witnesses testify tying the defendant to the blast and violence...
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the defense team led by judy clark who successfully worked for past clients like ted can extra krinsky off death row. the deliberations could take weeks. >>> 80 philadelphia police recruits spent this morning at the national constitution center. it's policing in a more perfect union. the program focuses on their power always police and the people they protect. they will have a conversation with high school students to discuss their experiences and perceptions of police. >>> turning to accuweather a beautiful day for baseball, the phillies home opener is a a couple of hours away. sky6 live hd is looking live over center city. fans enjoy mild temperatures and sunshine as they head to the game this afternoon. jamie apody is live inside the ballpark but let's get the conditions from david murphy perfect for opening day david. >> reporter: isn't it nice that the weather is playing ball, fans can look forward to a nice afternoon and best day of the week. we have a few high clouds that have been rolling through at times 0 today most of us them have kicked off the coast at this point. out by p
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defense attorney judy clark conceded the participation but said the brother was the mastermind. her goal was to keep her client off death row. the penalty phase begins no sooner than monday. the same jury will now decide in the penalty phase of the trial if dzhokhar tsarnaev gets life in prison or the death penalty. kris van cleave live in boston, back to you. >>> a bay area victim in the boston bombings has recovered and is looking forward to eighth grade graduation. he was injured when he was 12. he was with his family in boston supporting his mother in the marathon. surgeons had to remove metal from his legs. >>> breaking news in the south bay. chopper 5 over the scene in sunnyvale where an officer opened fire on a suspect on tasman drive west of north fair oaks avenue. police responded to an armed robbery. investigators aren't saying about possible injuries to the suspect only that no officers have been injured. crime tape is set up in the strip mall parking lot around two restaurants. we'll stay over the scene and have the latest on kpix 5 and at cbssf.com. >>> also develop
defense attorney judy clark conceded the participation but said the brother was the mastermind. her goal was to keep her client off death row. the penalty phase begins no sooner than monday. the same jury will now decide in the penalty phase of the trial if dzhokhar tsarnaev gets life in prison or the death penalty. kris van cleave live in boston, back to you. >>> a bay area victim in the boston bombings has recovered and is looking forward to eighth grade graduation. he was injured...
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his defense attorney judy clark says he was involved his actions are inexcusable, and he is ready tocept his fate. >> thank you. >>> and closing arguments are under way in the murder trial of former new england patriots star aaron hernandez. the defense rested yesterday after calling three witnesses. hernandez is accused of shooting odin lloyd near hernandez's boston area home. his attorneys say he would not have killed lloyd because they were friends. the defense calls police work in the case sloppy. no murder weapon has ever been found, the trial has been going on for two months with the prosecution calling 131 witnesses. the jury is expect to begin deliberations in that case this afternoon. >>> coming up carbon monoxide is blamed for the deaths of seven children and their single father in maryland. >> you couldn't ask for a better father. you couldn't ask for a better man. you know. >> what investigators suspect may be the source. it is one of the stories we are updating around the "newsnation." >>> developing now. will chicago keep mayor rahm emanuel. today he faces a runoff elec
his defense attorney judy clark says he was involved his actions are inexcusable, and he is ready tocept his fate. >> thank you. >>> and closing arguments are under way in the murder trial of former new england patriots star aaron hernandez. the defense rested yesterday after calling three witnesses. hernandez is accused of shooting odin lloyd near hernandez's boston area home. his attorneys say he would not have killed lloyd because they were friends. the defense calls police...
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the defense team lead by attorney judy clark who successfully kept past clients including uni-bomberme for tsarnaev. >> they knew he would be convicted. the question is can we save his life? >> the defense is hoping to do that by convincing jurors that tsarnaev's older brother was the mastermind and an unconvincing claim to many. >> we should know in a few weeks. that's how long the sentencing phase is expected to last. they have not said if he will take the stand. >> there were a lot of people in boston the day of the bombing. he says he is relieved, but not ready to forgive. >> very good at forgiving. i have to say this is one instance i cannot forgive. i just cannot accept and forgive what happened. >> it is too personal. >> other runners who were there had similar comments and most are hoping for the harshest penalty possible. he faces 17 possible death sentences for four murders and 250 injuries in the terrorist attack. >>> california is one step closer to making childhood vaccinations mandatory. a state senate committee passed a bill baring most parents from opting out of vacci
the defense team lead by attorney judy clark who successfully kept past clients including uni-bomberme for tsarnaev. >> they knew he would be convicted. the question is can we save his life? >> the defense is hoping to do that by convincing jurors that tsarnaev's older brother was the mastermind and an unconvincing claim to many. >> we should know in a few weeks. that's how long the sentencing phase is expected to last. they have not said if he will take the stand. >>...
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during closing arguments defense attorney judy clark called him the master mooichbld behind the attacks and said he's the one who killed an mit officer four days later but prosecutors cesar nerve shared his brother's radical beliefs and was a participant. the jurors were shown graphic video. of all the places that he could have placed the bomb he placed it right there the prosecutor said. they asked the jury to remember 8-year-old martin richard who lost his life when the second bomb exploded near the finish line. again, we do not know what two questions the jurors have for the judge, but the judge will answer them later this morning when deliberations start again. of course, lauren, after the verdict, the punishment phase of this trial could take several days or even weeks to complete. >> all right. don champion reporting for us in boston. thanks, don. >>> jurors will continue deliberation this morning in the murder trial of aaron hernandez. the jury heard closing arguments tuesday. lawyers for the former new england patriots star ak phenomenaled for the first time that he was at the s
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. >> reporter: in many ways this case is just starting, defense counsel judy clark this could be the toughest job yet in her 20 year career. and u.s. attorney for massachusetts has tweeted today that the start date of the penalty phase for tsarnaev trial has not yet been set antonio. >> thank you john. and as john mentioned the outcome of the penalty phase is much less certain. coming up in a few minutes we'll talk with our legal analyst how this will play out. the people who died during the bombing and the chaotic issues that fold. youngest victim's family was near the finish line when the explosion. 29-year-old helped support her ailing grandmother for years. lynn gee lou originally from china has a passion for music. sean collier was a 27-year-old campus police officer who was gunned down inside his patrol car. his parents said he gave his life doing what he was born to do serve and protect. >>> a police officer put on leave, female, last accused the manager, tried to kiss her and grabbed her arms when she resisted. the secret service and department of hoamsdz homeland security ar
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tsarnaev's attorney judy clark continued with the theme dzhokhar participated but tamerlan was the driving force, the one who planned the attacks, bought the materials and made the bombs. if tsarnaev is found guilty, the jurors will hear a second round of testimony before deciding on a sentence. 17 of the 30 counts against tsarnaev could carry the death penalty. u.s. district court judge george o tool told jurors the judgment is entirely yours after they watched a graphic video montage of the bombings and heard closing arguments. he cautioned them to not allow their emotions to affect their decision as they pour over 16 days of graphic evidence and witness testimony. before they were seated each juror said they would consider the death penalty if the trial goes to the penalty phase. kris van cleave, cbs news, boston. >>> a woman is now in custody over last month's stabbing of a metro station manager according to our partners at wnew. the manager was stabbed at the stadium armory station march 15. police say it was 20-year-old melissa langley of southeast and she pulled a knife on the manag
tsarnaev's attorney judy clark continued with the theme dzhokhar participated but tamerlan was the driving force, the one who planned the attacks, bought the materials and made the bombs. if tsarnaev is found guilty, the jurors will hear a second round of testimony before deciding on a sentence. 17 of the 30 counts against tsarnaev could carry the death penalty. u.s. district court judge george o tool told jurors the judgment is entirely yours after they watched a graphic video montage of the...
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. >> defense attorney judy clarke argued that tsarnaev chose that spot not to target kids but because there was a tree there. ( laughter ). >> larry: yeah ( bleep ) trees. ( laughter ) okay. sentencing time. >> next week, the jury begins deliberations on a much tougher question-- should tsarnaev be put to death for this? >> larry: well, the death penalty. wow. this is actually the perfect time to talk about this. it's spring. life is blooming. let's talk death! okay. all right. that makes no sense at all. ( laughter ) ( applause ) okay. give me the numbers of people for and against the death penalty for tsarnaev. >> i want to go over these results today we have from this nbc news online survey by survey monkey. >> larry: hold up hold up. i'm going to stop you right there, nbc. survey monkey? ( laughter ) what's their slogan survey monkey. polling so accurate, you'll swear a mofngy monkey did it. ( applause ) how does that work? and i love their ad. ♪ ♪ ♪ ( applause ). >> larry: survey monkey. okay well let's see what numbers this poop-smelling primate came up with. >> it was conducted
. >> defense attorney judy clarke argued that tsarnaev chose that spot not to target kids but because there was a tree there. ( laughter ). >> larry: yeah ( bleep ) trees. ( laughter ) okay. sentencing time. >> next week, the jury begins deliberations on a much tougher question-- should tsarnaev be put to death for this? >> larry: well, the death penalty. wow. this is actually the perfect time to talk about this. it's spring. life is blooming. let's talk death! okay. all...
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. >> reporter: defense attorney judy clark will be fighting for life in prison for tsarnaev but even that will be an uphill battle because she will have to convince the same 12 jurors that just convicted tsarnaev on all counts, not to execute him. for the prosecution, a much easier road, is a ahead. >> the prosecution will argue that this is the case that is the textbook example of why we have capital punishment and if not in this case then when. >> reporter: in order to put tsarnaev to death the prosecution needs to convince all 12 jurors on just one count that carries capitol punishment and in tsarnaev's case with 17 different capital punishment counts, the prosecution has 17 different chances of doing just that. now during the penalty phase, more witnesses can be called and more evidence introduced, and if the defense case is compelling enough to convince just one juror to break from the pack, he or she can in effect save tsarnaev's life. for the iteam charlotte huffman for cbs-3 "eyewitness news". >> fascinating procedures is zest to watch from here, thanks very much. >>> you can
. >> reporter: defense attorney judy clark will be fighting for life in prison for tsarnaev but even that will be an uphill battle because she will have to convince the same 12 jurors that just convicted tsarnaev on all counts, not to execute him. for the prosecution, a much easier road, is a ahead. >> the prosecution will argue that this is the case that is the textbook example of why we have capital punishment and if not in this case then when. >> reporter: in order to put...
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the defense team lead by attorney judy clark who successfully kept past clients including uni-bomber off death row will try to do the same for tsarnaev. >> they knew he would be convicted. the question is can we save his life? >> the defense is hoping to do that by convincing jurors that tsarnaev's older brother was the mastermind and an unconvincing claim to many. >> we should know in a few weeks. that's how long the sentencing phase is expected to last. they have not said if he will take the stand. >> there were a lot of people in boston the day of the bombing. he says he is relieved, but not ready to forgive. >> very good at forgiving. i have to say this is one instance i cannot forgive. i just cannot accept and forgive what happened. >> it is too personal. >> other runners who were there had similar comments and most are hoping for the harshest penalty possible. he faces 17 possible death sentences for four murders and 250 injuries in the terrorist attack. >>> california is one step closer to making childhood vaccinations mandatory. a state senate committee passed a bill baring m
the defense team lead by attorney judy clark who successfully kept past clients including uni-bomber off death row will try to do the same for tsarnaev. >> they knew he would be convicted. the question is can we save his life? >> the defense is hoping to do that by convincing jurors that tsarnaev's older brother was the mastermind and an unconvincing claim to many. >> we should know in a few weeks. that's how long the sentencing phase is expected to last. they have not said if...
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but famed anti-death penalty lawyer judy clarke continued with the theme that has been the core of tsarnaev'sefense the 19-year-old did it but he was more pawn than partner. she insisted the evidence showed it was the older brother who bought the materials built the bombs and led his little brother into jihad. "we don't deny that dzhokhar fully participated in the event clark said, but if not for tamerlan, it would not have happened. jurors will have 30 counts to deliberate, jeff. if a guilty verdict is handed down, the penalty will begin next monday at the soonest. >> glor: don dahler in boston don, thank you very much. more fallout today from "rolling stone" magazine's controversial article about an alleged rape at the university of virginia. a scathing report released last night called the story a journalistic failure. the fraternity at the center of the claims said they will pursue legal action against the magazine. here's julianna goldman. >> this report is very much intended as a piece of journalism about a failure of journalism. >> reporter: the columbia journalism school found that "r
but famed anti-death penalty lawyer judy clarke continued with the theme that has been the core of tsarnaev'sefense the 19-year-old did it but he was more pawn than partner. she insisted the evidence showed it was the older brother who bought the materials built the bombs and led his little brother into jihad. "we don't deny that dzhokhar fully participated in the event clark said, but if not for tamerlan, it would not have happened. jurors will have 30 counts to deliberate, jeff. if a...