joining us now joe concha media reporter for the hill judy miller is pulitzer prize winning author andutor. there is always the worry, judy, that when somebody like a nikolas cruz shoots up his high school that the media turn him into some kind of a sick celebrity and you get imtators. how do you think the coverage has done in that regard this time around? >> i don't think that the coverage has been inappropriate. in fact, i think that the coverage has been indispensable, jon, because, without that coverage, no one would know that there is $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the bomber. no one would have known in travis county that they are supposed to be staying inside no one would know what to look for. i would say the advice to look for something suspicious or out of place is not very helpful. if you have 500 agents covering an investigation and investigation like this. of course you have coverage and i think it's been very responsible. >> jon: there been comparisons to the unabomber case that guy sitting in cabin mailing bombs to people he didn't like. he kept

david: and they have a signaturs talking to judy miller, who's written a book about chemical weapons,raced back to its origin. if in fact the north korean poisoning is from the same batch as the poisoning in england, it will be found out. >> yeah. that can, i think, readily be determined, even though i'm not a chemical expert. but for a fact, russia has been helping north korea as we continue to put pressure on them in terms of giving them not necessarily revenues but certainly supplies. david: meanwhile we have a hack on some power grids in the united states from the russians. what was their intention there? were they trying to black out u.s. cities or what? >> well, first of all, we're in an era of big power competition with russia. maybe not on a scale of the soviet union but russia sees itself as a world power. putin is very ambitious. he's gotten incredibly aggressive, particularly as a result of the obama administration not doing much to confront him. he's dangerous and he's getting more and more capable. this is political warfare because she's trying to undermine and destabiliz

. >> jon: our media panel, joe concha and judy miller, author and fox news contributor. o you fall on the scale of media opinions of this move, judy? is this a huge win for north korea or a daring victory for president trump? >> i have to admit, john, i really don't understand all the criticism of the president on this one. what president has done well with north korea? we had the 1994 frame work agreement. we had 2005, another agreement that they violated. every agreement has been violated. no president, no american president has talked to a north korean leader since 1953. let donald trump try this. yes, it's unorthodox, it wasn't well-prepared. but has anybody else done better? i like jaw jaw better than war. we're boxing ourselves in. so on this one, i want to give the president a chance and i don't understand the media criticism. it's just as if you can't say anything at all that is good about this president. >> jon: joe? >> phil graham from texas said we're a nation of liars. that can apply to our media. we're profoundly accomplished offering up complaints and saying

and they he could be locked up like judy miller was for not showing a source years ago. >> dana: i remember that well. >> like in law school, they say you hold the key to your own cell. it's a corrective measure, not punitive. you can let yourself out by cooperating and going in front of the grand jury and asking the question. >> dana: i'll switch topics with you. there's going to be potentially another call for a special counsel looking at the fisa process and what happened in the carter page application in 2015, if not before. let me ask you something. who would appoint such a special counsel? how does one decide who gets it? >> right. i mean, that's a completely mysterious process. there's a political component to all of this that i'm not addressing. i'm focusing on the procedure and mechanics of it. the independent counsel, no matter how much people call for it, it has to be a creature that comes out of the executive branch. means the a.g. a and the acting a.g. for all things russia, rod rosenstein. how that make that opaque to anyone -- i don't know there's a checklist that they're sup

. >> had to talk about that we have judy miller, felt that the institute of policy research and pulitzerhor, journalist and fox news contributor. he was in full swing! it was donald trump last night. and he is talking about his reelection for 2020.>> a little bit of news. keep america great! what that looked the same on the -- you know he is doing what he loves to do. this is, he really enjoys democrats in the free press and go ahead, have at it mr. trump. if i were you i would want to change the subject robert mueller is inquiry from stormy daniels interviews. i would want to switch also! >> what about north korea? in this amazing unprecedented position by him apparently to say yes, i will be one to greet him. maybe impulsively beyond it. >> you know, i have cover proliferation very long time. a lot of my colleagues are really beating up to the president saying that he is legitimizing an illegitimate ruler. kim jong-un is there. i think that race is better than war and we were getting very close to boxing ourselves and to and only military options i think the president gets a pass on th

libby wasn't going to lie to get himself out from under the gun. , witness reported against him, judy miller, when she found some notes, whoops, libby had not lied. apparently he was innocent just as he had contended. and apparently would have walked away with any problems without the full force of the federal government coming after him, given him anything that comey tells his godfather, give him anything that would have allowed him to convict vice president cheney. and it appears mueller's investigation now now has ceased looking for a crime involving trump and russia and is focused on just finding something, kind of like the effort that comey's buddy, comey buddy, comey and mueller are basically joined at the hip, must have been mueller's friend, too, but they wanted vice president cheney and when scooter libby wouldn't lie to do that, they convicted him of lying when apparently he did not lie. he was innocent. which you could go back and find these type of things in robert mueller's wake, whether it was as the assist ant u.s. attorney in charge of criminal investigations in boston when t

miller and joe concha. so let me take your pulses as to how you think facebook has handled this. judyu first. >> badly, jon, in a word. this leak of information occurred in 2014. and facebook hasn't done anything about it until it literally exploded in their faces and on the front page of every newspaper in the world, not just america. so mark zuckerberg getting up there and saying, i'm really sorry, running ads in "the washington post," "the new york times" and the "wall street journal" is not the same as coming clean about what information has been shared, what they are going to do about this problem, how the problem occurred. i think senator warner is right. zuckerberg has to go up to the hill and testify, and now he's going to have to cooperate with the ftc investigation. it's long overdue. >> jon: if his testimony is as good as that clip of sound we played before the commercial break, which sounded less than sincere, i'm not sure how well that will go for him. anyway, give us your sense as to how facebook and zuckerberg handled this crisis, joe. >> if facebook is the major compan