you know, we have a huge no, a research facility in juneau. we have a university of alaska fairbanks which has their college of fisheries and oceans, university of alaska southeast. so it's kind of becoming a big research hub on fisheries on oceans. and this will add to that uh which will now be on ocean debris. so you guys are all invited. in fact, everybody here is invited. come on up to alaska. we'd love to have you. >> so a couple of points to your question. first, with respect to the biodegradation of something like a water bottle. i believe that technology to do that probably already exists in a number of facets. but the problem is not the technology. in this case, it's the scalability of that technology for industrial processes that make it economical. so i believe the private sector can do that as long as there's an economics market to make there an incentive to do so. >> but don't you think if you're the company, and i've said this a lot, if you're the company that actually, maybe it's already happened, but if you're the company that

sullivan: have you guys heard of the new marine debris foundation in juneau, alaska? you've got to come out and visit it. we will wait for it to get a little bigger. it is exciting. dr. brander: really exciting that that foundation has been created, and i agree that private-sector solutions are needed, but i think that needs to happen under an umbrella of some regulation. sen. sullivan: sure. dr. brander: that allows for things to happen at an equitable level that at a similar speed nationwide, rather than having happening state by state or region by region. and in terms of the development of a plastic bottle that could fully degrade -- sen. sullivan: or any other technological innovation that if you had a magic wand you think could be really important. because that is one idea i've been pushing, but we want other ideas. right? what are the other ideas? this foundation is going to encourage all of this thinking. so three of the top minds on this, what is your magic wand moment in terms of a technological innovation that can be really helpful? dr. brander: i think if t

had the great pleasure of announcing that the marine debris foundation would be headquartered in juneau, alaska in collaboration with our universities there, so this would be a public-private partnership, can accept private dollars. there's a lot of interest in this in the private sector. so we want to make sure you guys all get a chance to come out as this foundation get bigger, more prominent on the issues we are all talking about. ocean plastics and what we can do to keep our oceans clean. this is a global challenge, i like to say, but also a solvable one because we know that the estimates are anywhere from 60-70% of all the ocean debris in the oceans, and the world come from a number of rivers, 10 or more in asia and africa. let me ask each of you, there's this idea of willie band plastics -- will we ban plastics? this marine debris foundation, one of the elements in the law is will have a genius prize that focuses on public-private university innovations in terms of technologies that can dramatically impact keeping our oceans clean. one of the ideas i've always been pressing for is

patty, , juneau florida republin good morning. >> caller: good morning. i have a question, what if all the congresspeople spent more other salaries than the earned? what would happen? i believe they would have to file for bankruptcy. my question is, is why then would our congress do that to the american people? why are they going to let, why don't they make rules or you know spend the money amount depend on how much money is coming in? >> guest: no one is arguing that we not pay our bills. the issue is, is timely payment of our bills. if you're going to allow a child that gets a credit card for the first time and creates an enormous number of charges on that credit card, are you ever going to get a conversation when you take the credit card away or put rules in place to make sure that if you're going to pay that off on their behalf, they are not going to then the next day go out and rack up the charges against? that's what this debate is about. the issue about default is let's not have the scare tactics. let's focus squarely on what default is and what is