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>> well, first, justice kagan, let me take a little bit of an issue with your premise and let me try to responsive to your question anyways after i do that. how i'd like to take issue with your premise is that when congress first passed the statute rfra, it talked about free exercise as defined in the court's cases. and then at the time that it passed rluipa, which is a later statute, it actually confronted some lower court cases that had limited rfra and tried to impose a centrality requirement. and congress didn't want that. it didn't want to take all the baggage of the pre-smith free exercise cases. so it actually amended the statute to broaden it so it now protects any exercise of religion. so i would take issue with your premise that rfra simply picks up everything that ever happened pre-smith. >> well, there there's another respect in which this, even as originally enacted, does not track the preemployment division v. smith law. that was an invention of this of this law. >> i think that's fair, justice scalia. one of the things that you run into if you try to sort of get at thi

this time by justice elena kagan who says this. "just take one of the things that justice sotomayor asked about which is vaccinations. because there are many people who have religious objections to vaccinations. suppose an employer refused to fund vaccinations for employees. what happens then?" the lawyer gets out two more sentences and then justice kagan jumps in again, interrupts him, asks, "blood transfusions, could they refuse their employees getting blood transfusions on religious grounds?" the lawyer says at that point each of these would have to be evaluated on its own. then they struggled on through the first half of the argument. this is a case at the supreme court today that has been championed by conservatives and republicans as a test of religious liberty. at its factual core, though, it really is about the question of whether or not your boss gets to decide on the basis of his or her religious beliefs whether or not your health insurance covers your birth control. joining us for the interview tonight, walter dellinger,

>> well, first, justice kagan, let me take a little bit of an issue with your premise and let me try to responsive to your question anyways after i do that. how i'd like to take issue with your premise is that when congress first passed the statute rfra, it talked about free exercise as defined in the court's cases. and then at the time that it passed rluipa, which is a later statute, it actually confronted some lower court cases that had limited rfra and tried to impose a centrality requirement. and congress didn't want that. it didn't want to take all the baggage of the pre-smith free exercise cases. so it actually amended the statute to broaden it so it now protects any exercise of religion. so i would take issue with your premise that rfra simply picks up everything that ever happened pre-smith. >> well, there there's another respect in which this, even as originally enacted, does not track the preemployment division v. smith law. that is to say, the compelling state interest test in the prior cases was never accompanied by a least restrictive alternative requirement. that was an

. >> the cover station with supreme court justice elena kagan. conservative in hollywood. then after that the medal of honor ceremony. supreme court justice elena kagan talks to students about her life and career at georgetown university law center. williamol dean, traynor, is the moderator. >> good afternoon and welcome everyone. i am very excited. first dean's lecture to the graduating class. what we are going to do is in the years moving forward beginning with this year have a leading member of the bench and the bar talk to the graduating class about their insights based on their career. about things that you should know as you are starting an graduating from law school. have a better inaugural lecture than justice elena kagan so welcome to georgetown. [applause] >> thank you. it is a pleasure to be here. i thought today was going to be a snow day. [laughter] i'm glad you didn't cancel. >> today is a snow day. i want to particularly thank the justice for coming here. the federal government is closed today. >> i was in my office. i was ready for business. >> we thought t

kagan said if business owners could object to birth control coverage based on religious grounds, what about the next case? suppose an employer refuses to fund vaccinations for her employees or blood transfusions. one religious group could opt out of this and another could opt oust that and everything would be piecemeal. clement pushed back saying those cases were different. his clients provide coverage for most birth control methods and argue the government should make an exception in the law so they would not have to cover for a pill and devices to preconvenient the implant of an embryo in the wound. >> roberts suggested upholding it. today he suggested that the contraception requirement forced religious business owners to violate their conscience. said roberts, that i have to pay for methods of contraception that they believe provides abortions. but the wild card senator kennedy said he expressed some concern about relegislation excess trumping the national health care. jan crawford, cbs news. >> coming up on the morning new, dramatic rescue caught on tape. a man trapped on the ledg

the don kagan says, no. >> you have to understand that the mint was a factory that produced and struck coins that were from the gold that people would give them. they melt down the gold, strike the coins and then they issued them. >> reporter: allen martin, kpix 5. >> and some of the coins found had been in circulation. >> experts say if they had been stolen from the mint, that never would have happened. so the mystery continues. >> i love this story. >>> coming up, why these bay area runners veered off the race path to say thank you to this 95-year-old bystander. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, >>> let's fly you around the bay area today. a lot of clouds outside now, light sprinkles and drizzle so watch out for that with some fog. this afternoon a mixture of sun and clouds in the south bay 60s and low 70s in the warmest parts of the south bay. but the clouds will be on the increase throughout the day. the rain is going to be starting out in the north bay and spreading to the south in the latter part of the afternoon. still, going to squeeze in about 68 in dublin. 66 hayward and 67 degrees in walnut

>> i mean, let me start by saying thank goodness for justices ginsburg, sotomayor and kagan. i cannot imagine what it must have been like before we had any kind of gender representation on the board because they were the only ones who are actually articulating an understanding of what's at stake for 99% of women in this country who depend on birth control for some reason. you know, it really was a fascinating oral argument and the question of whether it places an undue burden on the employer was you know, debated hotly and really only a moment was spent on whether or not finding in favor of hobby lobby would place undue burden on the workers. that is a big concern. and as this case unfolds, is if the court finds in favor of the plaintiffs, it would be the first time that corporate rights were upheld, the idea that -- to be this or that would be upheld at the expense of their workers, where it would quash the rights of their workers and that would set a very, very chilling precedent. >> let me follow up. in terms of the female justices, it is great to have women on the supreme

>> next a conversation with supreme court justice elena kagan. then after joseph phillips on being a conservative in hollywood. then the white house medal of honor ceremony. ," karenewsmakers ignagni president and ceo of america's health insurance plans. she will offer the insurance industry perspective on the affordable care act including delays and how the act has affected competition. here are some of her comments. create a lower tier so people could gradually get into the program so they would be part of the risk cool, so we , so we dorisk pool. -- hold the healthier people outside. we have the healthy and the sick. just from a human natures perspective, it make sense. >> wouldn't healthier people congregate in the lowest tier? >> we are not seeing that. we have the bronze, silver, and gold areas by that hypothesis you would expect a high number of people to buy bronze. instead we see more in silver. the point is, people are choosing. what i would do is give people more choices. human nature suggests people like that. they are in more control

both justices sotomayor and kagan said they have a choice. they could drop health insurance coverage altogether for their employees and pay a fine. for hobby lobby, that would be a fine of about $26 million a year. still, that's not bad if they decide to keep coverage but don't cover all of the contraception methods. that fine would be $475 million a year. hobby lobby's owners told me they counted it a mandate to provide quality health care for their employees and that's not a decision they want to make. >> shannon, thank you. more on this with the panel. how do you think the supreme court should rule in the hobby lobby case? let me know at facebook.com/bretbaier or on twitter, @bretbaier. >> stocks were up today. the dow gains 91. the s&p 500 and nasdaq finishes ahead about eight points. >> president obama warns vladimir putin about any further moves into ukraine, but is anyone taking it seriously? check out tonight's grapevine by going to my blog. you can also get there from our home page. we'll be right back. ...and a choice. take 4 advil

health and fitness space >> another chance to see a conversation with supreme court justice elena kagan. tomorrow, max boot, author of invisible army. peace.hor of a shattered they discuss the situation in the ukraine and how the u.s. should respond. he discusses theo interpol database. washington journal, live at 7:00 eastern on c-span. >> the problem is that many of or infectious diseases, they are becoming resistant to the most potent antibiotics available. tuberculosis is one of the examples in which they are restrained. tbhave a new strains of which are completely, absolutely persistent. the other problem is that there is not enough interest on the part of the pharmaceutical industry to develop antibiotics. need is to make a global effort to work on the issue and establish a deal of collaboration. >> the future of health care, sunday night at 8:00. next, discussion about how to communicate conservatism. joseph phillips, wrote the book " he talk like a white boy." is 50 minutes. phillips is known for his role as martin kendall on the cosby show. he has had roles on without a trace,

we have an improved alarm system and camera system. >> reporter: kagan says the security improves will be applied not only at this hospital but all of the hospitals and clinics in this system. i did reach out to the spalding family attorney but did not hear back from them in time for this newscast. >>> and the crew said the front landing gear wouldn't deploy. and the pilot flew around to burn off oil. no one was hurt. >>> the aerial search for that missing malaysian jet is under way. a move for a new search zone and what they have already found. >>> it's a story we first broke online on twitter. tonight ktvu's jana katsuyama is live at the team's headquarters in santa clara with the weapon that police found in chris culiver's vehicle. >> the 49ers team did acknowledge that chris toliver has been taken into custody and arrested. they did not give any statements on camera. the police say that toliver hit a bicyclist that is now being treated for injuries. chris culiver walked out of the santa clara county jail. he was silent but the person that páeubged him up was very emotional as they

we have an improved alarm system and camera system. >> reporter: kagan says the security improves will be applied not only at this hospital but all of the hospitals and clinics in this system. i did reach out to the spalding family attorney but did not hear back from them in time for this newscast. >>> and the crew said the front landing gear wouldn't deploy. and the pilot flew around to burn off oil. no one was hurt. >>> the aerial search for that missing malaysian jet is under way. a move for a new search zone and what they have already found. >>> it's a story we first broke online on twitter. tonight ktvu's jana katsuyama is live at the team's headquarters in santa clara with the weapon that police found in chris culiver's vehicle. >> the 49ers team did acknowledge that chris toliver has been taken into custody and arrested. they did not give any statements on camera. the police say that toliver hit a bicyclist that is now being treated for injuries. chris culiver walked out of the santa clara county jail. he was silent but the person that páeubged him up was very emotional as they

. >> the cover station with supreme court justice elena kagan. conservative in hollywood.then after that the medal of honor ceremony. supreme court justice elena kagan talks to students about her life and career at georgetown university law center. williamol dean, traynor, is the moderator. >>

there have been several mentions of richard kagan -- host: robert kagan.ller: of course. 10 years to 12 years ago he and his brother and sister, who were frequent on c-span, were among the biggest promoters of the invasion of iraq, which has turned into another disaster. kagan was also married to vittorio newland, who hillary clinton brought into her office oddly enough in dick cheney's office. host: thank you. ukraine doesn't want the you or russia. stuck in the middle of both. gop elite hoping to learn jeb bush, reporting from philip rucker and -- another saying while publications have remained private, bush has dodged questions about presidency. he says i'm going to ignore that one, but he is considering a potential bid for the white house according to the "washington post," and we will have more details later, but edward is joining us from woodstock, vermont. democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have to say it is so sad to see these people on the right act the way they do. they act as if history started when president obama was elected

elena kagan at the georgetown law center. >> for st. patrick's day, we turn to the video library at c-span.org to see how u.s. presidents marked the holiday. >> despite all this, tip wanted me here. since it was march 17, it was only fitting that someone drop by who actually had known saint patrick. [laughter] [applause] and that's true, tip. i did know saint patrick. we both changed to the same political party at about the same time. you have a glass of guinness with the man in ireland as i have with brian monahan, your friends. -- your friends. you're friends. ♪ [applause] >> more than 35 million americans lame irish ancestry. america is richer for every murphy, kelly, and o'sullivan. i should have said mccain. [laughter] [applause] well, i just did. >> happy st. patrick's day to everybody. tens of millions of americans trace their roots back to the emerald isles. on st. patrick's day, many millions more claim to. [laughter] >> president obama imposed sanctions on russia and and ukrainian officials leaning russia's military interventi

even justice kagan and breyer, justices who may be thought of to side with the administration. because you make money you can't exercise religion. >> they did press your side on whether this was a slippery slope. if hobby lobby can say no to those drugs. who's next, can someone come out and say, well, i have an objection to medical vaccinations, so i'm not going to pay for those. well, i have an objection to blood transfusions, i'm not going to allow those. can we run the law this way, with employers choosing piece mail i like this one, i don't like that one. >> for all of american history, until 2012, any employer who didn't want to cover vaccines could have objected. you never heard of any cases like that, i never heard of any cases like that. that's not a real religious objection. if somebody does, this law has a balancing test. i assume the government would be able to come in and show it's got a compelling interest in getting everybody vaccinated. the government's problem is they created so many exceptions for this contraceptive mandate. the government doesn't care how they

atna kagan talk to students georgetown. here is a preview. decades it is one of the great things about a lawyer's career. you can move from one thing to another. you can experience a lot of different kinds of work in your life. the ability to recognize that there are lots of different opportunities that are going to .resent themselves to you it gives you a sort of freedom to think about your career. thatss the other thing is in thinking about that, just to reflect on this. this changes over the course of somebody's life. i think mostly the lawyers who are happy are the ones who find some way to accomplish something for people outside themselves. what that is is going to bury enormous fleet from person to person to person. to think about the kind of work you do that because of the way it makes a difference is going to fill you with a sense of mission accomplished during that day. some feelings you did something that matters. something that you cared about. the mostretty much important thing in making people really happy. for about kagan spoke

bill: kagan said you could pay the fine.nificant, tens of millions of dollars if not greater. >> truth of the matter there is fine might be less than covering insurance, where i disagree with michael here, a lot of companies were not providing birth control or providing viagra for mail employees. herein lies the problem with this whole particular case, bill, this ideal that a corporation can now express a religious value which we've never seen before. in american history. really telling what the court will do. we don't know what the decision will be in june but i think we need to pay attention to this one. this is slippery slope here. this says a jewish corporation could then say we will no longer celebrate christmas and everybody has to come to work because we have right to espouse our religious views as corporation. >> they do that now. there is no -- bill: what hobby lobby is trying to argue here, they don't want to be in this business. they want to be in your business, rather be exempted from it, right, michael? >> i lov

kagan says some of the coins had been in circulation. if the coins had been directly stolen from the mint, they would not have been. the mint says they have no information linking the coins to any thefts at any u.s. mint facility. the fbi tells me it is not investigating at this point. >> does this mean the couple still gets to cash in, then? >> reporter: it would appear so. but if it turn out that the coins were government property and stolen from the government, i guess all bets are off. the couple could end up with just a finder's fee. >> i have a solution for this, though. the couple pays the federal government back the 30,000 it lost. that's what it was worth. that's what the federal government is out. they pay back the 30,000 that they lost and keep the rest. >> keep the rest. >> the government is not going to be out mount if they sell all of these gold coins because of taxes. they will get money in taxes. >> there you go. >> all right. thanks, allen. >>> they paid a no for worthless airline tickets -- a thousand dollars of worthle

. >> justice kagan talked about the slippery slope here. if it's true they can bring the claims is your argument limited to sensitive issues or materials like contraceptives. justice sotomayor said what about religious groups that don't believe in transfusions and vaccinations. mr. clement responded, well it depends on the burden placed on the person with the religious belief and as well as the government having a compelling interest in imposing that burden but there's no compelling interest in this particular case. >> woodruff: how unusual is it to have three women justices coming at an argument like this? >> it's not unusual because justices sotomayor and kagan are active questioners. sotomayor is often the first questioner in any argument. clearly they were ready and primed to go to the heart of the concerns raised about the issues in this particular case woonch tell us how the other -- >> woodruff: tell us how the other side came at this. the government and -- >> the solicitor general of the united states told the court that corporation

interesting when you hear some of the questioning that was going on, kagan and sotomayor and gin sburg were pushing hobb lobby hard. what makes you think you can do this? as a corporation, and get this exemption from the law, and it's very interesting. one of the last things i believe it was sotomayor, or it could have been kagan, don't worry because you can avoid this by paying the penalty, the $24 million penalty to hobby lobby. talked about it yesterday. that's exactly what they're trying not to do. not that the $24 million will bankrupt them, but that's in addition to having to supply their own health insurance. so they would have to supply health insurance for their employees, 13,000, and then pay a $24 million fine on top of it. again, under the religious freedom exemption -- >> or not provide health insurance at all. >> bob, i'm going to let you respond, and then -- >> okay, i'm playing the role of greg gutfield. >> i'll do the best under my own physical restraints. this is not about the family. it's about 16,000 employees. they're the ones being discriminated against. you mean

justice elena kagan, for example, asked how female employees are, with quote, tangibly harmed when anloyer restricts their access to contraception coverage. but on the conservative side, justice alito asked, hey, why should religious companies not get an exception here when so many other exceptions and delays already operate under the aca? to breakdown the case, we have amy howe, who's argued before the supreme court, and taught at harvard law school. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for inviting me. >> let's start here with this line. a lot of people are looking at this case and they feel skeptical about the idea that what seemed like corporation's rights should trump individual rights. on the other hand, there is an idea percolating that this could be resolved somewhat narrowly if you said, well, here's an exception, not for all corporations, but just for small ones that basically want to be focused on religious values. can you talk to us about that? >> sure. this was a suggestion that was made by chief justice john roberts. and so, both sides really brought out the parade of hor

a conversation with supreme court justice elena kagan. another chance to see acted joseph phillips discussing being a conservative in hollywood. kentucky senator rand paul spoke to students at the university of california at berkeley on wednesday about intelligence gatherings and civil liberties. here are some of his remarks. >> they say they are not listening to your phone calls. maybe they are, maybe they're not. last week we found out that the cia illegally searched senate computers. diane feinstein is in charge of the committee. she gave a big speech saying they are illegally taking a work product, they are looking at our computers and they have taking stuff off the computers that we thought could've been information to the american people. i am going to fight them on this. i told her and commented her --, lamented her. -- complimented her. i don't see this as a partisan issue. hope she does stand up and doesn't let the nsa push her around. i am going to fight them on this. no one should be allowed to invade your privacy. that is why

you would see religious objectors coming out of the woodwork, kagan said. melinda henneberger joins us and a lawyer representing hobby lobby. thanks as always. >> thanks. >> let me go to your case here. as i understand it so, people understand the nuance here, your client, hobby lobby basically does not want to pay for health insurance that covers things like iuds, which he argues cause abortions because they basically prevent the continuation of life of a fertilized egg? >> that's exactly right, chris. >> it's not about preventing conception. it's about the death, if you will, of a fertilized egg. >> that's exactly right. they do not cover abortion in their plan. that's a long-standing policy. and they also object to covering drugs that they could produce what they consider to be an early abortion, which would be terminating an embryo before implantation. the government has conceded that's these drug can work in that way. the science question is not before the court. the question is if the greens have a sincere religious objection to provide in coverage an

don kagan is representing the couple who found a can sticking above ground when they were hiking. >>this. this is buried treasure, something we all fantasize about. >> reporter: but the near perfect condition of the 1,400 coins raised suspicion among historians who pointed to this art cal from 1901. it reports $31,000 stolen from the vault of the cashier from the san francisco mint. no trace has been found. the suspect in the case was walter n. dimmick. the mint clerk served prison time after an audit found 1,500 coins missing from the mint vault. he denied any wrongdoing. >> there's no, no connection between these coins that were buried many, many years ago and a heist that took place at the san francisco mint. >> reporter: there's nothing regarding a finder's keeper's provision for stolen property, it's property of the united states. adding at this time, we do not intend to investigate. the mint may not want any money, but the irs does. profits earned from the sale of the coins is considered income and fully taxable. all that glitters -- well, you know the rest. bill whitaker, cbs

elena kagan asked, what about refusing to pay the minimum wage or obey child labor laws.nthony kennedy, the likely deciding vote, seemed conflicted. he asked, do the religious views of the employer trump the right of employees, putting them at a disadvantage? but he also challenged the government, saying under its view of for-profit corporations, could be forced to pay for abortion. the court may end up saying the closely held family businesses can get exceptions based on religious views. but that would not be the sweeping ruling that opponents of obama care were hoping for. brian? >> pete williams at the court, we'll see you in a couple months. pete, thanks. >>> as we approach the first anniversary of the boston bombing, tonight nbc news has had an early look at the congressional report on the investigation into the marathon bombing expected to be made public this week. nbc news has learned it raises serious questions about how one of the alleged bombers was able to leave the u.s. and re-enter, despite being put on a watch list by the cia after they received warn, from r

according to research firm snl kagan.. 100 million subscribers spend $30 or more per month for pay tv. a decline of 251,000. higher prices and the rise of video streaming companies are causing tv wathers to ditch cable bills. some stock promoters are accused of getting into the pay for play game with media. a handful of financial websites, including forbes-dot-com , seeking alpha and others-- allegedly published articles by authors who promoted stocks they own the websites owners claim they were deceived. taxes are a tell tale sign of the relationship status of americans. according to irs information-- more taxpayers are checking the "single" box. that was the case in 20-11 when the analysis was put together by the tax foundation. it found 61% of all returns are from single people -- including those who are divorced or widowed. back in the 50's-- 60 percent of taxpayers were married couples. the majority of workers are delaying retirment plans. a survey by career builder of workers 60 and over shows that 58% are putting off retirement. while it sounds like a lot, the number is actuall

now supreme court justice kagan talks about her life, career and u.s. constitution.he sat down with the dean of the georgetown university law enter. >> good afternoon and welcome everyone. this is our first dean's lecture to the graduating class and what we're going to do is in the years moving forward beginning with this year have a leading member of the bench and the bar talk to the graduating class about their insights based on their career and things you should know as you are starting out and graduating from law school and we could not have a better lecturer than justice kagan. welcome to georgetown. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. >> pleesh to be here. and i thought today was going to be a snow day. i guess i'm glad you didn't cancel. >> today is a snow day and i want to particularly thank the justice for coming here. the federal government is closed today. >> i was in my office. i was ready for business. [laughter] >> so we thought the law school was closed until 1:00 and i have to say, i was a little concerned that the school was going to be closed for mo

>> i'm sorry, justice kagan. the same class of emitters as? >> the more typical context. 100, 200. are you essentially looking for the number that captures the same class of emitters? >> i don't know that it will be the same, but i think the number, the class will be a lot smaller than the class under e.p.a.'s current understanding of what it means to emit 250 tons a year. >> how did the e.p.a. fix on the number? >> they tried to explain that in one of the rule-making orders. they tried to figure out the right balance point where they were accomplishing very significant emissions limitations while not sweeping in sources that were, that -- the very large number of small sources that would only make an incremental difference. what e.p.a. did essentially was say we can get to 85% of the emissions we're trying to get to by setting the standards where we've set them. >> well, two things. one is you haven't said anything about the title 5 problem which is a 6.1 million persons or individuals, businesses coming into it, so how do you get them out of that one? >> i think you streamline. s

gan,a kagan, a top lawyer in the obama administration, clashed repeatedly with attorney paul clement. suppose an employer refuses to fund vaccinations for her employees, or blood transfusions? one religious group could opt out of this and another could opt out of that and everything would be piecemeal. clement, a top lawyer in the george w. bush administration, pushed back, saying those cases were different. his clients provide coverage for most birth control methods, and argue the government should make an exception in the law so they enould not permit pills and devices that stop an embryo from implanting. puday, the chief justice s prested the law's contraception requirement forced religious business owners to violate their conscience. said roberts, they have to pay for methods of contraception they believe provide abortion. but the wild card is anthony kennedy, a conservative, but sometimes votes with the toberals. today in court, he seemed sympathetic to the business owners, but also expressed some concerns about whether a religious objection could trump a woman's access to health

and we could not have a better inaugural lecturer than justice elena kagan.o welcome to georgetown. >> thank you, dean. [applause] thank you. really a pleasure to be here. i sort of thought today was going to be a snow day so. i guess i'm glad you didn't cancel. >> well, today is a snow day and i i want to particularly thank the justice for coming here. the federal government is closed today. >> i was in my office. i was ready for business. >> so we thought you know, the law school was actually closed until 1:00. and i have to say, i was a little concerned that since the school was going to be closed for most of the day that we might not be able to do you justice in terms of the crowd but as i look around and i see every seat here in the auditorium is filled. >> pretty good. >> you're clearly a great draw. thank you for being here. >> expectations are high, huh? >> expectations are high. so, so the idea behind this, these lectures is to, you know, to reflect on your career and offer people advice as they're starting. >> i'm supposed to be wise today. >> a lot

kagan there. >> debra kagan. senior state department fellow. just a quick question. there's a pattern here of bad behavior. muldova, georgia, now this. i think that a lot of the reluctance of others in the west to -- short of stripping russia from the g8 -- is energy. have you given consideration to something that i think a lot of us have been thinking about and i heard bill richardson say, what if the united states proffererred to start selling natural gas to europe to ukraine to poland to countries who have higher than a 40% publish germany the highest but higher than 40% of dependence on russia for that. what is your reaction to having the administration offer to do that. there are no laws against it. only laws against oil experts from the '70s but not natural gas. to start doing that in order to put not just ukraine more at ease but break the russian hold on a number of west europeans who are reluctant to join these more fervent economic sanctions because they know that russia has them over the barrel, no pun intended. >> i would ask that person i took the microp

kagan the money was not a match. kun found coin comes from a mint in georgia. he seemed relieved for the people. >> there is no way that the government should come in to take the coins. it's not right. they dug it up. they found them. that is it. >> it's much ado about nothing. if nothing is $ten comblinl. >> we love the story. without the story, they're just coins. >> with this story? >> it's history. >> if it wasn't before, it is, now. >> a lease sdpoout between a landlord and a gym kept members from getting a workout in today. club one fitness e mailed members it would not open the landlord wanted to renegotiate the lease. there is late word a settlement has been reached. and club one has about 7,000 members at the oakland location. >> opponents of california high speed rail project have scored a pair of victories tonight. first a judge ruled a will you lau suit can go forward. it's backed by a group of farmers contend the plan doesn't deliver on promises made in 2008. the secretary approved a petition drive terminating the project and block the state from s

>> well, that question was asked by justices elena kagan and sonya sotomayor. and going back to the government -- to paul clement's position about just whose rights are we talking about here he brushed them off saying no, that would not -- we're not talking about that kind of slippery slope here. as the government is contending. because we still have to look at whether the government would have a compelling interest in vaccines. and that's no question here. gwen: it should be -- so justice kennedy in that swing seat again and sounded like the court was more sympathetic to the corporation. >> it was. and justice kennedy was the one who brought up abortion. saying wouldn't -- if we -- if we rule for you, federal government, wouldn't we be saying you can then down the road allow -- force companies to pay for abortions? gwen: fascinating. a great decision. and pull it apart and put it back together again. thank you, joan. thank you, everyone. we have to go. but as always, the conversation will continue online. the "washington week" webcast extra streams live at 8:3

justice kagan asking, if hobby lobby were to prevail in this case, what's to stop another company from saying, quote, i have a religious objection to minimum wage laws? and another, family leave? and another, child labor laws? but justice kennedy focused on employers' rights. saying, if a business can be forced to pay for all types of contraception, they can be, quote, forced in principle to pay for abortions. the decision on this bitterly divisive issue will come some time before july. mara schiavocampo, abc news, new york. >>> and now, a headline we think we've heard before. a daredevil breaches what was expected to be one of the most secure buildings in the country. the new world trade center. last week, an intruder was 16 years old, a 16-year-old boy. today, news about an impossible stunt from six months ago. and who were they? abc's gio benitez, now, with new video, raising a host of new questions. >> reporter: in this dramatic video, we see the moment three men jumped from the top of one world trade center, the tallest building in the nation. watch. taking a plunge at 3:00 a.m.,

kagan the money was not a match. kun found coin comes from a mint in georgia. he seemed relieved for the people. >> there is no way that the government should come in to take the coins. it's not right. they dug it up. they found them. that is it. >> it's much ado about nothing. if nothing is $ten comblinl. >> we love the story. without the story, they're just coins. >> with this story? >> it's history. >> if it wasn't before, it is, now. >> a lease sdpoout between a landlord and a gym kept members from getting a workout in today. club one fitness e mailed members it would not open the landlord wanted to renegotiate the lease. there is late word a settlement has been reached. and club one has about 7,000 members at the oakland location. >> opponents of california high speed rail project have scored a pair of victories tonight. first a judge ruled a will you lau suit can go forward. it's backed by a group of farmers contend the plan doesn't deliver on promises made in 2008. the secretary approved a petition drive terminating the project and block the state from s

>> i'm sorry, justice kagan. the same class of emitters as? >> the more typical context. 100, 200. are you essentially looking for the number that captures the same class of emitters? >> i don't know that it will be the same, but i think the number, the class will be a lot smaller than the class under e.p.a.'s current understanding of what it means to emit 250 tons a year. fix on d the e.p.a. the number? >> they tried to explain that in one of the rule-making orders. they tried to figure out the right balance point where they were accomplishing very significant emissions limitations while not sweeping in sources that were, that -- the very large number of small sources that would only make an incremental difference. what e.p.a. did essentially was say we can get to 85% of the emissions we're trying to get to by setting the standards where we've set them. >> well, two things. one is you haven't saiding in -- said anything about the title 5 problem which is a 6.1 million persons or individuals, businesses coming into it, so how do you get them out of that one? >> i think you streamli

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i will also be interested in justice breyer, justice kagan, -- justice kagan. it will be interesting to see if they try to craft a narrower approach. on this question of obamacare more broadly. i want to say here that the narrative of the failure of obamacare is the reality. matter after matter the administration offered waivers and exemptions. i think it is very striking that won'te set of folks who get the benefit of an exemption is those that have religious complying with the hh a mandate. it says something about the way in which obamacare is being rolled out. this maybe you can take e-mail question -- guest: my understanding is that groupuise -- the insurance plan did provide coverage for these forms of birth control and when hobby lobby then reviewed its plan after the passage of the affordable care act today, they discovered this act and try to not encourage those forms of birth control. the law actually allows companies like hobby lobby to avoid providing coverage for these forms of challenge contraception the law does not require coverage of these forms