karen krakowski. we have in the middle of an vo . ha, who is the libertarian national committee chair? and also we have investigative journalist and we're all there for us on the right. thank you very much. it's been a very interesting conversation. look forward to seeing you all again. got it. all right, now pakistan is looking for alternative ways to carry out the financial transactions with russia and western sanctions. this is according to the countries in baset or to moscow with the majority of the world refusing to join the west campaign. earlier my colleague unit o'neill discussed the situation with mohammed tar java, the director general of the pakistan house international think tank, the euro centric and the us centric. and the west centric policies. more or less has been creating lot of trouble for the developing countries. for only one matter, i think the sanction the gene has paralyzed many economies. the new world order i would say also can be categorize in terms of how one country or set

karen krakowski, the media in the west has refused to look at facts, fax, historically, prior to the invasion. we've used to look at facts about the 2014 activities. now they're caught by surprise when they can no longer ignore the facts. over thing over here is essentially a change from one media perspective or one media narrative, which was mostly based on, i would say wishful thinking to a gradual but painful recognition of you know, what's actually going on over there. it is impossible for me to believe that the u . s. media actually believes that ukraine has a real military chance for the taking leave from the district. i mean, the ukranian army isn't towers and the boss. no. the elements have been trying to cover this up because it wasn't favorable. they are reporting. what's the truth now . they're reporting that the russians are advancing. maybe that are you trying to paper russians, us now this, this over aggressive fully. but the truth of the matter is, the russians are finally broken, the back of ukrainian army. and you can sit on the list is also made some other rare comm

karen krakowski again former u. s. air force lieutenant colonel talks us through some of the possible consequences of supplying ukraine with large amounts weapons. in fact, the weapons themselves may not be delivered for a long time, may never be delivered. and certainly, if you look at it in the context of the great number of the great variety of antique and in process weapons that are being sent into ukraine, you really have to wonder what is that, what is the objective here? because that is not how you are a nation to defend itself by giving all your left overs in the stuff that you have from you know, 20 years ago. and then things you don't have even on hand. you're promising. it's a mass and we're making it more than many. these weapons will be sold outside of ukraine. if they're delivered at all, they will not stay in ukraine. they will be used in access by any number of interested parties around the world. there are consequences to flooding a place like ukraine, which is strategically located for in the cross

don't have these systems in our inventory, let's cross live now to current krakowski, the former us air force lieutenant colonel. karen, welcome to our t internationals. great. have you with us. and just like to get your take on this latest planned shipment of weapons from germany to ukraine. how effective do you think the systems will be in changing the situation on the ground? these are defense systems. well, if they were delivered and if they were operable by ukrainian forces in november, december, maybe 2023, they might change something. i mean, they are defensive weapons, they are hijacked, but as the chance are said, they, they aren't. they are ending in german inventory at this point. so it could be a case of too little, too late, whenever they eventually get to ukraine. sure, and it could be that, or it could just be a political ploy on the part of the germans to get some of the pressure off from the u. s. and from nato, was that we would, you know, the start of the war. germany was reluctant to send lethal aid to ukraine and obviously a huge change of policy. it is now shipping weapons to ukraine. how much pr