they didn't for five hundred years that that's my basic point now that you always karl marx as one of your biggest influences do you think you still as relevant in twenty first century. look karl marx was a great great thinker of the nineteenth century he had all the virtues of his insights and all the limitations of being a man of the nineteenth century one of his great limitations was that he was too much of a classical economist. he was too much of a determinist and he didn't see the fact that systems he did see that systems come to an end but he thought they came to an end as a result. of process of conscious revolution and i'm suggesting they come to an end because of internal contradictions. and everyone is a prisoner of their time there's no question of that so he's a prisoner of the fact that he was a nineteenth century think i'm a prisoner of the twentieth century twenty first century. i was formed i mean i was born in one nine hundred thirty five seventy years in the twentieth century i feel that i'm a product of the twentieth century and that's probably reveals itself in th

that led to a complete economic collapse and for those who are why am i the person bringing up marx karl marx here but an essential part of his philosophy was the withering away of the state and yet the other two guests seem to see an increase in the power of the state the somehow the salvation of humankind i don't think that's right i think the problem is i don't say they are also predict is a government that's too powerful to jump in and go ahead. and out of this is this is this is rubbish i'm sorry look the slav wishes they went to a wall street last sunday and he delivered a condensed version of what has been same in his best ten books or so basically he said that the matter it's between capitalism and democracy is over. what does that mean this means that china which is saving capital world global capitalism at the moment that. completely different system of gold away comic freedom like male liberalism on steroids with political repression can the rest of the world by the system of course not it's untenable and it's going to be untenable even inside china but in fact this is a third the

talk about socialism people think you mean communism and of course communism is vastly different karl marx is communism is a vastly different from what you saw in russia and you know in the other countries but no i'm not advocating that i think that the people themselves need to come up i think with what they feel is going to work for them in their communities having been an activist locally in baltimore in maryland i know that community based economics work or owned companies you can start with that and go from there i don't think capitalism can be regulated heavily enough to make it a fair system for the majority of people so that's just one example armory i have to wrap it up unfortunately but i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight you know the secret some people would argue that part of the reason we don't have demands the occupy wall street movement doesn't have to man at the moment is because they elect people to come up with the solutions they're just here to tell them that they're angry but you know it seems like there's a lot of questions to be answered as to your answ

putting together this event and the freedoms center and in philadelphia my home away from home.ho karl marx wrote to fourual volumes which are virtually unreadable and when he was asked when he wrote such show long but he said i did not have time to write a short one this is quite short but it took me three years toquit write and to gain the understanding to communicate in these pages. the book itself began when i picked up but copy of the meditations of marcus aurelius from my father'sa bookshelf which he just kept from college they he would have wanted to read as ann adult would have learnedl from. marcus aurelius was the emperor with his own gladiator and buy allw accounts a good man. a and also a philosopher.a not formally he took notes to himself and his notes were found in the middle ages by thenot monks and out of their own faith they gave him said title that we know the meditations of marcus aurelius. and with a hyper realistic viewew of life and somewhat grim depending on your perspective. it could be summed up in the words ofn t his comedy not troubled for all things for upheld al

karl marx wrote in four volumes which he never finished and was virtually unreadable. when he was asked why he wrote such a long book she said because i didn't have time to write a short one. this book i have written is quite short but it took me three years to write and a lifetime to gain the understanding that i tried to communicate in these pages. the book itself began when i picked up a copy of the meditation of marcus which is a book i remembered from my father's bookshelf, which he had just kept from college was not a book as i will explain shortly but he would have wanted to read as an adult or would have liked or learned from. he was the 19th emperor of rome. he was the emperor in the film gladiator, and he was by all accounts a good man and was also a philosopher, not a formal one. he took notes to himself and his notes were found in the middle ages by monks who saw in many prefiguring of their own faith and gave the title that we know them by the meditations of marcus he was a stoic and i'm hyper realistic view of life and therefore somewhat grim depended on

you quoted karl marx, open i couldn't tell of the people opiate of the people or the masses.m reading this i'm thinking in many ways probably there is a lot of people celebrating that. >> listen, you know, we fought communism in ronald reagan's day and george bush finished that cold war up. the communism tongue and lenin, horrible, collapsed it was a failure it was a great success for a while. the communism of antonio who argued that, look, he went to the soviet union. place is failing, people hate the place. have a long march through the institutions of the west. that long march to change their thinking and beliefs and basically get people so that they will accept cultural marxism. they will embrace it as the rugs people rejected the other -- that's what happened. it's a transvaluation as nichey said of all values. what was wrong is now right and the reverse. >> sean: you talked about the beginning of the united nations a 3 nations they started there. >> 52, 53. >> sean: what is it. >> 193. >> sean: 193 now? you talk about volume vulcanization. talk about how all these count

. >> karl marx, what we're talking about here is a way where government controls the con mevment that'sg message that's coming from this proprotest. jenna: such a claim that they would have you believe the bankers are controlling the economy and something needs to be done. >> you see, that's one of the problems here. they're using what is obviously an outrage, and everybody agrees with it, that wall street got bailed out, we have a horrible economy and they're using that to promote a philosophy that is basically antiamerican. we're talking about marxists here telling us that our system of government, not only that, our system of the economy, cap tammism which wall street was not about capitalism, if anything that was crony capitalism, if there was real capitalism, wall street would have been allowed to fail, so what they're looking to dork that's the underlying message, i'll not going to say it's going to happen but let's be clear, the protestors have an underlying message, it's not just protest wall street, it's protest wall street and it's embrace communism. there's no question about