not editorial comments, just stats. >> karl rove is turning into a snowflake.sammy ray. >> bill: now, when did you know you were old school? >> i don't know, billy. certain things, i am almost anarchistic about. but certain things are just common sense. i am not one of those people who find common sense to comment. it just seems basic to me. like if someone comes up to me and says we are going to give iran billions of dollars, i go, i don't think that's a good idea. that doesn't feel like old school to me. that feels like school still standing. >> bill: logic. right. you tell the story about your mother, when you were leaving your pittsburgh suburban home, she gave you advice when you were going out to the west coas coast. you can't use the obscenity that your mom put into the presentation, do you remember what i'm talking about? don't be... >> don't be a an a-hole. >> bill: [laughs] that is pretty old school advice. >> really old school advice. i am touched by mothers who do that with their kids. i saw an article about a woman who wrote a thank you letter to c

hey, listen, by the way, karl rove has got to only put numbers on that white thing.etting silly with it. it is like, "i like gummy bears," "i wish my name was sammy ray," "i am bald." tell him to put math up there. >> bill: just the stats. not editorial comments, just stats. >> karl rove is turning into a snowflake.nt "i wish my name was sammy ray." >> bill: now, when did you know you were old school? >> um, i don't know, billy. certain things i am almost anarchistic about. but certain things are just common sense. i am not one of those people who finds common sense too common. it just seems basic to me. like if someone comes up to me and says, we are going to give iran billions of dollars, i go, um, i don't think that's a good idea. that doesn't feel like old-school to me. that feels like school still standing. >> bill: logic. right. right. you tell the story about your mother. when you were leaving your pittsburgh suburban home, she gave you advice when you were going out to the west coast. you can't use the obscenity that your mom put into the presentation. do you

let's talk about it with karl rove and joe trippi.re interrupted by the speaker of the houses weekly news conference, joe, didn't get a chance for your take on all this infrastructure spending that the president says he wants. will democrats be on board with that? >> it depends on how they try to do it, but no, i don't think so. i think carl put it right before we broke away, a lot of this is going to come down to can trump and the administration hold votes in the u.s. senate within its own party and within the house, and i think -- on obamacare, for sure, he's going to have to do with just republicans. i'm not sure even that they could find agreement among that system of caucus there. when you get to other things, like the spending, the deficit costs, they are not going to go for this spending, with any kind of component to the public or private part. i think this is really going to be a problem. i don't think he has any votes in the house with democrats in the house or the senate right now. it's precarious now with 52 there. >> jon:

karl rove knows that.his is smoke and mirrors when we suggest we're going to dupe the american people. >> shannon: he said he would debate karl rove and karl rove is here next to respond live. stay with us. you'll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes... priority boarding... and 50,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you. tech: at safelite, we know how busy your life can be. mom: oh no... tech: this mom didn't have time to worry about a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" she knew exactly when i'd be there, so she didn't miss a single shot. i replaced her windshield giving her more time for what matters most. tech: how'd ya do? player: we won! tech: nice! that's another safelite advantage. mom: thank you so much! (team sing) safelite repair, safelite replace. >> the president has said there will be a blood bath in 2018 if this isn't passed.

karl rove knows that.his is smoke and mirrors when we suggest we'll dupe the american people and do this bill behind closed doors and roll it out and expect the american people to believe it. let me tell you, they're smarter than that and they understand that this is just obamacare with a different label. >> bill: are you open to negotiations? because apparently the president is. >> i am. i talked to the president and he knows i'm open to negotiation. we put forth last night in our freedom caucus three people with health care backgrounds to look at coming up with real ways to come to a consensus. i believe we can do that on behalf of the american people. there's one score that matters, health care insurance premiums must come down. if not we have failed and gone through this headache for nothing. i look forward to robust debate as we do it. >> bill: the theme song is you can't always get what you want. we started hearing that a year and a half ago. can you say today whether or not this will get done or wil

lauren: karl rove called it unusual. what is he hiding, what story does he have to tell?to what truth we don't know about the white house aides, possibly participating with devin nunes and giving him this information. he was on the inside and they were saying that possibly people from the national security counsel. if he has information there, specially bone to pick with a former employee of the white house and that's the information where says i have information that might help. whatever he's doing he feel that he can defend president trump. nicole: how should the white house be dealing with this investigation and how much of a distraction is it to the trump agenda? >> you hit the nail on the head. it is a complete distraction, right, democrats want to keep this going and take it all the way to the bank. the white house, however, because of the difficulty and how does devin nunes get the documents right. they need to make sure they are clean from this because whatever find dogs come out and whatever happens, there's no findings of collusion, whatever happens with russia

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joining is not from austin, texas, karl rove. know, i'm a very simple man, i only have three questions for you, mr. rove. the first one is, why exactly do some conservatives reject a broken proposal on health care? >> there are several kinds of objections. some people don't want to have a replacement. they want to have just a repeal. why not go back and pass the measure that was passed in january of 2016 by the house and senate and it was then vetoed by president obama? better as a repeal only measure. they say, let's just pass that, kill the system entirely, then, take our time after placing edge. >> bill: let me stop you there. if that happens, then, people who are getting health insurance east to get it, and there is anarchy and chaos within the community. doesn't make a lot of sense to me. secondly -- speaker doesn't make a lot of sense to me. we have said for years, repeal and replace. some people say, let's replace it, but we will do the repeal first and we'll come back into the replace later. but that means we got to get 6

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here's what happened in the karl rove investigation.that engagement in ashcroft stepped aside because karl rove was his political advisor. jim comey was the deputy attorney general. he appointed peter fitzgerald to look into the karl rove matter. i don't know how this movie ends, but for the good of the country, jeff is a dear friend. what is best for the country is if there is an investigation regarding the trump campaign and russia, jeff should step aside and let somebody else make the decision who is not so close to the campaign. >> shepard: you mentioned fbi director comey. adam schiff calling for -- suggesting that comey is withholding information regarding this investigation. it's my understanding that you just spoke with james comey. what did he say? >> number 1, democrats are going crazy across the board. so i tune these guys out. i met with the director of the fbi this afternoon. i'll issue a statement about that meeting. i'm confident director comey will disclose the nature of the investigation if there is one and that he and

karl rove, former senior advisor to president gw bush. fox news contributor. question off the top. it is kind of a parlor game now, do you think somebody broke the law and released these things or president trump himself? >> oh, i don't think it is president trump. perhaps someone, this appears to come from his side of the collection of these documents. that is to say the client side of it. david: right. >> that could be somebody, accountant or somebody. i don't think it was him. i don't think he did this deliberately but it sure made him look good. higher tax rate than presint obama. david: it is extraordinary, on one hand he is victim of somebody who broke the law to try to get them. >> sure. david: on the other hand, turns university he paid more percentage wise of his taxes than barack obama, nbc, even bernie sanders the socialist paid a lot less percentagewise. >> warren buffett paid less. so did mitt romney. somebody did him a disfavor by releasing it, stealing it, taking, something that wasn't theirs. the press can repeat it. they can unveil it. but, ra

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i want to bring in for more reaction fox news contributor karl rove. carl, what do you think -- karl, what do you think? >> well, the actual number's 22 if you take the number of sitting republicans, if they lose 22, they're at 215, and they can't get it done. so it's going to be, you know or or it's a gamble. you don't like to call a vote unless you know that you've got the votes, but president trump last night said, you know what? i'm finished negotiating. i've made changes to the freedom caucus, and we've agreed to your demand, and now you come back with more, we're done, we're going to go to a vote. so high stakes poker. cheryl: karl, you spent years in the white house with president bush. did trump make the right move last night? >> well, you know, it's hard to say. you have to give him, first of all, he's a dealmaker and, second of all, he was actually doing the negotiation. remember what happened is the freedom caucus is sort of running around, not being clear on what they want to do. they seemingly get settled on we want language that removes wh

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karl rove former white house deputy chief of staff and fox news contributor.ood day to you, sir. this is what started the news today from the white house. donald trump tweeted this, the freedom caucus will hurt the entire republican agenda if they don't get on the team and fast. we must fight them and dems. do you want to take that on quickly and then i'll go to your piece on "the wall street journal." >> they did him a great disservice in killing the process but i wish the president woul not engage. that's punching down. he ought to be focussed on other things. >> bill: it seems to be a strategy. you wrote in "the wall street journal." the only lines crossed in the debacle are the caucusers who committed political libel. you're saying the same thing the president's saying, karl. >> i am but i wish he wasn't punching down. with all due respect to jim jordan that was jaw-dropping. you heard him compare it to obamacare. he says it doesn't repeal obamacare. wait a minute it kills a trillion in obamacare taxes and kills the exchanges and stops the medicaid expansi

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republican strategist karl rove with this piece begetting of obamacare's end. he has that piece by saying some republicans stack and oppositional mindset rather than a governing one would require any replacement be 100% perfect before they would support it. otherwise they will stand with nancy pelosi and democratic defenders of obamacare. this care. as a straight conservative voters as bizarre. karl rove they are talking about some of the opposition republicans have received within their own party to the american health care bill can be marked up in the house energy and commerce committee. that expected to go on for several more hours to a live look into the energy and commerce committee right now. democrats is something like four dozen amendment still awaiting a hearing to be talked about this morning and energy and commerce. we are talking to our viewers for the next 10 minutes before the senate comes in. ima, florida, republican. good morning. >> caller: what i want to talk about is no one is talking about how much medicare has been cut. i have a cousin whos

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karl rove. good to see you. important story today, i question whether there is an amount of political theater here, what do you say? >> enormous amount of political theater. al franken, senator al franken, d, minnesota in hollywood, what would you do if you found out members of the campaign staff were in communication with the russians? and jeff sessions, senator sessions, answered it correctly. i'm not aware of the activities and don't want to comment on a hypothetical. senator leahy sent a written comment have you had conversations with the russians about the 2016, he said no. he acknowledges he met twice with the ambassador but met as his role as the senate armed services member but not as a campaign member. trish: he was on the armed services committee, you would, as a member of the armed services committee meet with ambassadors from various countries at any given time. isn't that sort of what you got to do? >> well -- trish: they were talking about the campaign, and he's made it clear. no, they were in diff

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bush had karl rove. he was another tough. >> and the father had jennifer and dick darman. >> but of course before they went in i can't remember his name now, but you're right he always had someone tough there who could be the stalking horse said he could be the diplomat. >> now is so negative. and now trump with lee atwater. >> that's good point. thank you. >> thank you very much. and thank you for joining us tonight. it has been a pleasure to host your talk. please feel free to remain for a little bit, get a book and have assigned and mingle with the authors. thanks for visiting the east city bookshop. [applause] >> you can see why we like to have lunch and talk. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> book tv is on twitter and facebook and we want to hear from you. tweet us on twitter.com/book tv or post a comment on her facebook page. facebook.com/book tv. [inaudible]

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and then george w had karl rove.e was another tough -- >> and the father had jennifer fitzgerald for a while and dick, no, who was the other got? >> sonu no, but then before he went in he had, i can remember his name now. that's what happens when you get greater. you're right, he always at somebody tough who could be the stalking horse so he could be the diplomat, which he was. >> it's so negative. we that negative campaigns. >> think you very much, and thank you for joining us tonight. it's been a pleasure to host your talk. please feel free treatment for a little bit, get a book, have assigned, mingle with the authors and thank you for visiting east city bookshop. [applause] >> you see why we like to have lunch and talk. [inaudible conversations] >> this is a booktv on c-span2, television for serious readers. here's our primetime lineup. >> that'll happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. >> this is a crazy idea, lazy idea. and to buy those who don't like judaism and doesn't understand anything. on the other side you h

it looks to me like the timetable is slipping and slipping in what we heard from karl rove doesn't karl would you say? >> i think you have reason to be concerned and i'll tell you what my experience was that the 81 tax cut. as a way the white house can handle this right now. the president announced tax reform, provisions will be retro back to to the date of the migration. that way businesses feel confident they can make some plans now. they need to do that. i'll give you a little bit of a history of this. in 1981 when i was working on the reagan tax cut, we felt just as confident about the economy has everybody feels right now. we started to negotiate had made a mistake. we agreed to cut the first year's tax cut, 10% cut on individuals. we agreed to do it only a five-year tax cut. the next two years we delayed and we played to the deficit warriors. the final year was delayed for two years. essentially we are sitting there. voelker was raising interest rates. of course he was crouched in the economy to bake the ventilation. the point is that was held. the economy can turn quickly and it

bush and fox news contributor karl rove is here as well. do stay with us. msnbc releasing the first to what they claim to be president donald trump 2005 federal tax information during a broadcast last night. rachel matus says the commander-in-chief hundred $50 million paid over $38 million in federal taxes. she defended releasing the leaked document that her show last night. >> the people of the united states need to know ifoue got unexplained sources of income, particularly for an origin, it hints that need to see the tax return, has he received loans from foreign sources? maria: the white house fired back calling msnbc desperate for ratings and also says despite the tax paid it is totally illegal to steal unpublished tax return. the dishonest media can make this part of their agenda while the president will focus on his. tax reform will benefit all americans. president drug son donald turned junior also weighed in. thank you, rachel maddow to bring to your trump fading flowers as successfully as the many made -- paid $40 million in taxes in 2005. lita eps

karl rove served as a senior advisor to george w. bush. do you believe that donald trump's presidency at least on the domestic side will be determined here in the first year on what he can get through congress? >> i do. the question is not how much can he get done, but does he get right things done? critical to his long-term success is a come prehencive tax reform measure and the repeal and replacement of obamacare. if he fails to accomplish these two things this year or next year his presidency will be in difficulty. he was elected because people wanted a change in the economy. paul: i'm not so sure he has much time of going into next year. if he's going to do this, the first year is always so much easier. >> i agree it's possible to get it done this year. i don't think the secretary of the treasury mnuchin is helping saying we are going to get it done by august. the affordable care act's replacement, while they will move it through the house with some dispatch, it will be a heavy lift in the senate. it might pass the house, pass the sena

karl rove. >> it's exciting. >> ed: your thoughts on live events were over, no.heard from devin nunes and we're expecting adam schiff to speak to reporters in moments. >> they're voting on the rule that would get the actual healthcare bill to the floor. got to do that first. >> looks like they have the yeas at 220. looks like them ee get the rule through. that doesn't mean the bill gets through. but the first step, maybe positive right now. >> and the story moving right along. after seven years of demanding obamacare's repeal, republicans face a moment of truth. after fox news learned president trump told lawmakers he's through talking, take the plan on the table or stick with obamacare. welcome to "happening now" i'm jenna lee. >> nice to be with you at home as we watch the deal made i ee leland vittert in for jon scott. this is one of the rules votes that just went through. this is not actually the american healthcare act that republicans want. that vote

. >> joining us from austin, texas is karl rove are. senior advisor to president p george bush.t is leakers leaking stuff to the press or a theory where forme president obama is holed up somewhere and orchestraing a counter espionnage campaign and laying land mines throughout the administration and trying to derail president trump. how dew see it? >> i think there is a media bias. i think the democrats are high alert, looking for every opportunity to trash a member of the trump administration. jeff sessions, i have known him personally and a man of great integrity and did right by recusing himself. he would have done that anyway. what they are attacking him for is a nothing burger. does president obama have is a role in this? i don't know. maybe he's doing a book deal. he has an organization obama for america and hor beganinize it. i get the truth team e-mails which they send out and it is all designed to stir people up. here's one. trump administration sets stage for mass deportations they say. i read the story from cnn and it doesn't say that but that is the headline they wrot

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karl rove he weighing in on all of that. karl, seemed blasphemous, watching media and coverage that this even happened, but there was precedent in the obama white house, using irs to target conservative groups, justice department went after reporters including our own james rosen. whether that directly involved the president is anyone's guess. my point not as if this is a totally alien concept, but what do you think of this as an issue that will have weight going forward? >> look, it is clear there was some intercepts of some people, somewhere in trump tower last year. a fisa court gave a, gave a warrant to do so. i would have left it there. if it turned out that the president obama was involved in it, then the intelligence committees in the house and senate would have discovered that. there would be a paper trail someplace. neil: would there always be though, karl? would there be? let's say the president wanted to go about this or they had sufficient reason to believe that an individual, in this case the next president of th

bush senior adviser karl rove.l, senator has been saying that jeff sessions should resign because he misled the senate. what are your thoughts about what these tweets are about? >> well, you actually put her in better light than what she deserves to be. what you showed was the footage of her with her second explanation. she first said she had never had a meeting. never had a call with russian ambassador. she then got caught in the lie that you pointed out, and she went back in front of the cameras to say i never called him, and i, you know, never had a one-on-one meeting with him. but as you say in her tweets, she clearly had a meeting with him to discuss adoption policies and then called him interestingly enough about the iranian nuclear deal a couple of days before she voted to support the iranian nuclear deal. look, she has to have about beinthe startisan person in the united states senate on the democratic side looking for every little advantage that she can get. she thought she had sessions in her crosshairs,

. >> joining us from austin, texas, karl rove. former senior advisor to president george bush.is leakers leaking stuff to the press orrm you have this theory where former president obama is holed up somewhere and orchestrating this devious counterespionage campaign and laying landmines throughout the administration trying to derail president trump. how do you see it? >> look, i think there is a medias bias in the selection of their stories. i do think the democrats are on high alert, looking for every opportunity to trash a member of the trump administration. jeff sessions, i have known him personally, i have known him for years. he is a man of great integrity. he did the right thing by recusing himself. he would have done that anyway, but what they are attacking him for is a nothing burger. does president obama have a role in this? i don't know. maybe he is busy with that $60 million book deal. but he has an organization, organizing for america, used to be obama for america, and i get there truth team emails which they send out on a regular it is all designed to stir people up

to do it and leaks can lead to serious things, like a special prosecutor, where they went after karl roves. he didn't even leak the name. i thought congressman gowdy almost went across the line for me today and talking about specific people and names of people who would've been on the list, this very smallest, probably 35 people, that would have been able to unmask michael flynn's name. now you have a situation where your people who are public servants, political appointees possibly but there are others who don't have it. on the defensive and they have to say i didn't do it. then you are dragging more and more people into it what it seems to me that the fbi was indicating that they do know where the leak came from and maybe as part of the investigation it eventually comes out. it's not a crime to report a leak. they've got to figure out how to stop the leak but if it comes to you, it's not a crime to report it. >> kimberly: trey gowdy has an obligation to ask the questions and have the transparency but at the same time with an eye toward national security and not revealing information tha

here with more, karl rove is with us, former senior advisor to president george w. bush.uan williams, cohost of "the five." welcome. good to have you here tonight. a lot of intrigue in this news that just broke a few moments ago, which ed was talking about. mike flynn saying that he will testify but he would like immunity. what does that tell you? >> that tells me his lawyers have told him, you either have exposure or if you don't have exposure, let's get some suspenders and bells on you nonetheless. i thought it was an unusual gesture on his part, it was okay for him just step forward and say he will testify, but the request for immunity i thought was really troubling. >> martha: it looks as if, if he testifies, he is either going to have immunity or he could plead the fifth. that is how this is going to go. juan, what is your thought on what mike flynn is looking for here? >> we have seen a pattern, just to reiterate what karl said, this is troubling in terms of the idea of his involvement and his exposure. i think that this means that there is some. secondly, i think i

strategy karl rove dr.kiel emanuel an arc tech of obamacare. >> fox news contributor a rich a rich. >> let me start with you same question with speaker ryan will house pass a version of repeal and replace this week, and how damaging how much have the republicans had to respond to that cbo, assessment score, that 24 million fewer americans would have health insurance under this plan 10 years. >> a damaging number when you look under surface it starts with 14 million fewer people few years not having insurance would otherwise have it had virtually all at cbo says as a result the end of the mandate that is to say, the penaltiesing inafflicted if not with a penalty not going to buy insurance republicans have different approach, let's provide, fair tax treatment advantage refundable tax credit to self-employed don't get insurance from employer people in small businesses that don't get coverage, and the cbo has historically underestimated, the effect of market choices like that, as it did in the medicare part d o

been lambasted by "the wall street journal" editorial page, dan henninger wrote about it today, and karl roveop-ed, said bad excuses for republican fratricide, was the headline. >> and the other thing is, look, in terms of donald trump trying to bring the freedom caucus in -- like i say, in the short term this might be be doubling down on beating them up -- but what's the alternative? this idea of working with democrats,? look at nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, they want to stop health care reform at all costs. they want to leave obamacare in place, they don't want to give him a victory on tax cuts. so if the alternative to the freedom caucus is nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, i've got news for you, it ain't gonna work, so he is going to have to come back to the freedom caucus. maybe split 'em in half, split 'em in pieces, he's got to work with them. dagen: real quick, do you think they get health care done and infrastructure spending done this year? >> highly unlikely. at least a trillion dollars for infrastructure, where's that going to come from? some of the cuts that the president wants i

times" and author of "power wore wars:inside obama's post-9/11 presidency" and sean-carlo, aide to karl rovekaren, you've been reporting on many angles of this. where do you see these going, given the context of the staff at doj after tonight? >> first of all i'm not sure that a special prosecutor is really going to get to what i think are the most relevant questions for americans. which is basically what exactly happened? how vulnerable are we? and how can we prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future? a special prosecutor at the justice department would basically be trying to figure out whether there had been a crime committed. at the same time,gressional investigations often are where these kinds of big questions have been looked at in history. but congress right now is so polarized and so partisan, it is really hard to see that really getting to sort of these kind of credible, nonpartisan answers to these questions. so, you talk to somebody like lee hamilton, who was the co-chairman of the iran-contra committee, later the vice chairman of the 9/11 commission. he makes what i

. >> chris jan cowski not a name that i know as well as the public would know karl rove or mary madelyn he was -- he not only was the architect of this but in your book, rat blanked, he was quite proud of laying it out for you and saying that's exactly what we did. >> yes. this is the political heist of the century, of the decade. for $30 million republicans took control of all of these blue and purple states at the legislative level and then baked themselves in massive control at the house level that has not abated throughout this decade. i would be proud of that as well. it is a terrific accomplishment. on the other hand, it has had true negatives for our democracy. >> no doubt about it and i'm with the governor naturer on this. i want to see professionals have the sharpie in their hand, not the politicians, but quickly respond to this because i do pay attention to this data and i know that there's the bill bishop big sort argument out there and david wasserman has his whole cracker barrel versus whole foods conversation which speaks to self-swording, driving the bus, not jerry mander

karl rove. the president has already been briefed on this. blake burman is at the white house. he learned since. blake? reporter: this is standard procedure for what takes place here at white house. administrations past, keeping with tradition here at the trump white house, the president has been briefed on an issue rises to the level with we're seeing or what we believe we might be seeing over there in london. the president was briefed we're told a little while ago by his national security advisor, that being h.r. mcmaster. the president was actually in an event dealing with health care a little while ago, and the pool, the media cameras were ushered in very briefly for a few moments, the president spoke is happening in london moments ago. take a listen to president trump. >> sorry, we're getting an update on london. there is some news having to do with london just happened. reporter: that, neil was extent of comment from president trump as it relates to a situation in london. it is health care at the forefront here at the white house on this day and on capitol hill the we can

it's time now for our sunday strategist karl rove, dr.zekiel emanual, one of the architects of obamacare, neera tanden, head of the liberal think tank center for american progress and fox news contributor rachel campos-duffy. same question i started with speaker ryan, while the house passed a version of repeal and replace this week and how damaging, and how much of the republicans had to respond to that cbo assessment score that 24 million fewer americans would have health insurance under this plan in ten years? >> it is a damaging number, but when you look under the surface, it starts with felty millard fewer people in the next figures not having insurance. virtually all of those the cbo says are a result of the end of the mandate, that is to say, the penalties that are inflicted upon people who don't buy insurance. if they are not inflicted with a penalty, then they will not buy insurance. if the republicans have a different approach, which is, let's provide fair tax treatment in the form of a tax credit to the people who are self-emplo

. >> choices fing democrats, joan walsh at the nation political science professor and former karl rovee and speechwriter for president trump. nice to see all of you. what do democrats do. >> they have had their victory laps and now time to get back to work. the democrats didn't do anything, it's the people that push pressure on their elected officials. so the democrats are great, pat your self on the back. however, it is the citizens of this country that called representatives, called democrats. many moderate republicans called their elected officials and put pressure on them as well. so now it's time to get to work. they need to really articulate what the aca has done. they need to make sure the general public understands we cannot have 22 million people without health care. this is a bill republicans put forward and should have been a failure. they need to talk and galvanize. they have a lot of elections coming up this year and next year. if they have got people excited, stick with that and have something to say. >> part of me says let them continue to implode. what we see is a party

their plan was going to be in an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" in march of 2010 written by karl rovegislative seats in 17 states that if the republicans can take them over, they would have the ability to draw the lines for 190 of the 435 congressional seats. that's a good advantage when you only need 218 to have a majority. the democratic party lacked both the strategic imagination to come up with this idea on their own. but, also, they could not play defense against it when the republicans laid it out on the op-ed page of the largest newspaper in the country. >> chris jankowski not a name that i would know as well james carville or mary madeline, but he not only was the architect of this, but in your book, "rat blanked." he was quite proud laying it it out for you. saying, yeah, that's exactly what we did. >> this is the political heist of the century, of the decade. i mean, for $30 million, republicans took control of all of these blue and purple states at the legislative level and then massive control at the house level that has not abated throughout this decade. i would be proud

. >> reporter: karl rove said the affordable care act to write some 1,400 laws and that the bulk of the relief for the industry will come from that power but the challenge will be getting the industry doctors, hospitals, insurers on board. now insurers support the deal, but the backlash has been widespread. take a look who doesn't support it. the american medical association, aarp, the american hospital association, the academy of ped at tricks and then several other organizations have also come out even the chief medical officer for medicaid broke with the department of health and human services and tweeted his criticism despite what he said political messaging. in the meantime other areas of the industry are split. they say there are things they don't like in the bill but there are also things that they can suggest otherwise. they want a very long wish list. they want more people to be insured. they don't want to be on the hook for anybody that lose insurance. they want young people on the plans, flexibility on medicaid and they don't want to see employer plans get weakened. that is a

melissa: trying to follow that, karl rove, former gw bush chief of staff and fox news contributor. thank you, sir, for joining us. what do you think of the latest back and forth? schiff saying within the last hour or so he received a letter from the white house invitings him there to look at whatever materials these are. i would love to get on to that at this point so we could talk about the substance. what do you think? >> well he is going to be able to look at them. i doubt he will talk about the substance of them. let's step back for just a minute. we have authorized wiretapping of some form of foreign diplomats, not russians, but foreign diplomats. during the 2016 campaign and the aftermath. during that wiretapping, during that surveillance, they talk about contacts with people in the trump campaign, trump transition. and those names are unmasked in the intelligence report. then circulated in the government. that is inappropriate. you're supposed to take enormous steps to make what's so-called incidental surveillance of u.s. citizens, to mask their identity unless it is necessa