anywhere, i was a kasich guy because ohio has very much the same set of cross-sections. and kasich is a guy who, like, put the ohio budget had been in the red, he got it back in the black, he got very narrowly elected for his first term, he got reelected by a landslide for his second term. so i thought, well, this guy's obviously able to cope with lots of people on the left and the right and right down the middle. >> well, he recently i think endorsed joe biden, and i know a lot of people may not know that you, mr. conservative humorist, in 2016 you said you're voting for hillary clinton. >> i voted for hillary, yeah. >> i'm just wondering, you are a god in conservative circles. did you get a lot of blowback on that? >> surprisingly little. surprisingly little. and just to show off my conservative bona fides, i'm going to -- and my libertarian principles, i'm going to do something i haven't been able to

governor kasich is about to have to defend the democrats. is schumer not getting his clock cleaned? >> chris, chris -- >> you can brush it aside after i ask it. that's what michael does. here's the question. how does schumer get into a position where mcconnell gets to dictate the state of play of a deal and why should he have any deal with mcconnell in this kind of environment? >> because you have two democrats at least that won't vote to blow up the filibuster. and blowing up the filibuster would have been a disaster for this country. let me tell you why. now it forces the parties to work together. if one party can just smash through the other party, the beauty the founders had was that the house would act in a more precipitous way and the senate would be more measured. it was like the house was like a hot cup of coffee and the senate was supposed to be that that you rested the coffee on so -- >> the founders didn't put the filibuster in. >> no, but i'm going to suggest to you that the filibuster has been looked upon by people on both sides

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kasich? >> well, don, the problem is this is really undermining democracy in our country.ean, it has to -- to have a good solid democracy, you have to have consent of the people, and we got 30% of the people thinking the election was stolen. and you have to have faith in our basic institutions, which include the elections. so, don, we can look at this in the short term, but this is another blow to the most important democratic institutions that our founders created. and it's undermining so much in our country and it's -- i'm just so sad that -- i'll tell you another thing, don. it's all about selfishness, me, too. the politicians down there, over half the house republicans and 13 of them in the senate, it's all about themselves. it's not about the country. you start to worry that people are just so willing to just take care of themselves and it doesn't matter what happens to the country. and it's just a -- this is not some simple light kind of dismissal that will occur on wednesday. it is another severe blow to the things that we believe in in terms of our great country, a

john kasich, former governor of ohio.ohn dean, former white house counsel for president nixon. also, the author of "authoritarian nightmare trump and his followers." good evening, to one and all. happy new year, to one and all. kaitlan, you first. dark days. a delusional president, as he speaks there in georgia. probably, wrapping up. we are learning much, much more about the attempted coup and where the president's plot goes next. what do you know? >> well, don, it was the first thing the president brought up, as he was on stage here, tonight. saying he did not lose that election. though, of course, we know that the president did. he's basically been insisting what we have been seeing him say, privately or publicly, as well here tonight on stage. and, of course, this is supposed to be about kelly loeffler and david perdue and their race tomorrow. but the president has just as much, don, made it about his election loss. and he is even going after some of the republican lawmakers he brought with him. including, utah senato

david gregory and governor john kasich join me to you. gov? not an easy assessment to hear of your party, but what do i have wrong? i mean, all of the dots seem to connect into this kind of deal of disruption. >> i'd say the only thing you may have wrong, there's a remnant of normal people in the republican party who aren't buying into this. chris, the situation is that the republican leadership has really gone along in in fostering these lies, these conspiracies. you know, the election was stolen, you know -- even that in and of itself is enough to say. so what has to happen in order to wake people up is the republicans in a clear voice have to say, we lost the election. you know, plain and simple. and then there are people in the party right now -- and frankly, trump was a false prophet, chris, he was a false prophet. when he told people, the people who go paycheck to paycheck, whose kids are not doing well, whose jobs are at risk, he's telling them, i'll fix all this. and those folks, you're not going to -- you've got to give them ideas and

governor kasich, thank you times three. all right. >> thank you. >>> you saw the one thing that brought aoc and ted cruz together, okay? they do not like each other. aoc says she won't even work with him on this, by the way. it is outrage at the robinhood app's stock block, as they call it, in the middle of this gamestop controversy. why does this matter so much? because it's about the big guy against the little guy. and it looks like the system was rigged in a place that's called robinhood that's supposed to be for the little guy to help the big guy. is that so? the ceo of robinhood joins me live along with the creator of wall street bets. is it confusing? yes. but it certainly can be made understandable. i will lay it out for you. then we are going to take it up with both sides. >>> first, the terror threat that is hovering over washington is not a theory, it's not hypothetical. we've had two arrests near the capitol in the last 36 hours. andrew mccabe on the race to stop another deadly assault next. as a retired weatherm

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john, why are you laughing, john kasich?u know, don, i was thinking about what i wanted to say tonight. i wrote a couple of things down. for six or seven years, i've been dealing with this. i stood on a stage with him, and de debated. then when we were in smaller numbers, he quit. at the convention in cleveland, i didn't go. i kept pointing out things i was concerned about. north korea, he was over there calling them his buddy. he withdrew from the iran deal. attacking our allies, belittling them. demagoguery over immigrants. name-calling, polarization. there has been so many things. and now it's done. it's over. as you said earlier tonight, it's finished. but it will be a patch of history that a lot of people will want to read. i hope we're able to move on. i still have great concerns about what is around the corner. but violence is down, we're not seeing violent protests and everything. >> disinformation on the internet is down since the president has been off of social media. go on. >> and, you know, it's not like -- i'm

we're joined by former ohio governor, john kasich. a lot of republicans are making the point, current and former members of congress that what's really happening here is not fear of donald trump so much as fear of his voters, that a large portion of the party is still with him and they know if they challenge the president, even if privately they think his behavior was inexcusable or impeachable, they will lose their races. i wonder if you agree, that that's the motivation here, but also that that's the reality here. >> it's probably true, jim. you know a lot about foreign policy. we were just reading over the weekend about this russian navalny who they tried to poison, threw acid in his face. he returned to russia. he's sitting in a jail right now. they've arrested a bunch of his supporters and his life is at risk. and here we or talking about a bunch of politicians worried about a primary election. it's just a little wacky, when you think about the comparison. the republican party has shrunk, as you know. people have left the party.

i was a john kasich fan, he was the guy i wanted to see be president. there was a guy that would have pulled himself together. the republican party, here i am, i vote republican because i can't stand the democratic party and this is been going on for a long time, not 5 or 6 years. both sides of been going downhill. as far as trying to find somebody, the man i was talking about to flip the party and vote in your primaries and all that, we've got to figure it out. we have to pull somebody we really depends on into these primaries on both sides. i don't mean just republican. >> host: is there anybody like that you can name on the republican side? >> caller: adam kin! er, he's not going to be president next term but here is could. i will be honest i liked buttigieg. i thought pete buttigieg - he had his things, i don't mean that he is gay, he went to harvard, but there was a man who had some information he was trying to get out to people and i listened to him. >> host: will you watch his confirmation hearing coming up in an hour and a half? >> caller: i am

i have a lot of conversations with this guy, the same topic, ohio governor john kasich. but there is a question i think i should stop asking him, right? so, i will let you know what that is. and that is next. ♪ ♪ 2020's done a new era has begun so keep pushing forward... because this is twenty twenty won make a different future start different at godaddy.com >>> so, the senate rejecting an effort by republican rand paul to declare the impeachment of the former president unconstitutional, only five gop senators voted with democrats to uphold the trial. five. and a reminder, only ten gop house members voted to impeach the now former president. the gop is still in a grip of trump, even with him out of office. so, now what, right? joining me now, former ohio governor and cnn senior commentator john kasich. hey, john. good to see you. how you doing? >> i'm doing well. i talked to one of those ten today from the house who voted and talked to them and encouraged them. and he said he's very comfortable with his vote. there would be nothing that would change him. and i was really

let's discuss with david axelrod, another commentator, john kasich, senior legal and national security analyst carrie cordero. let's begin with the serious new warning. cnn is learning from this internal fbi bulletin that armed protests are not only being planned here in the nation's capitol around the inauguration but in all 50 states next week in the coming days. how should the incoming biden administration, and you know a lot of these individuals, how should they be approaching the threats which also include direct threats to the president-elect, the vice president-elect and the speaker? >> you know, wolf, i'm having flashbacks to 2009 when the b s obama administration was about to take office, got word in final days before the inauguration about a terrorist plot, potential terrorist plot on the inauguration and, you know, this occasioned me writing a piece for the president in case he had to disperse the crowd in the middle of the ceremony. it was very, very serious, it was very sobering. the difference is we were working hand in glove with all of the officials of the administratio

. >>> i want the go to our chief political analyst and john kasich. schumer has agreed to what mcconnell wants, to delay the trial. he thought that was the best chance they had. does the delay help? i guess if you were going the fail now, a delay is better than nothing but what's the strategy here? >> i think everybody got a little bit of what they wanted. it's clear joe biden didn't want this thing to proceed that quickly because he wants to get his confirmations through. mcconnell asked for some more time. schumer said no. we'll give you a little less time. i think they each got what they wanted here. i think it proceeds as the newly elected president really wants. he wants confirmations, he wants to get some stuff done potentially on his covid relief bill. i think it works for every one. >> let's say that it does but say it goes the way it would right now if there were a vote from our reporting and things change. right now, that would mean the president isn't convicted. he's not banned from future office. it's that's the outcome, hoump does that hu

let's discuss with the former ohio governor john kasich, the cnn senior commentator.ublican member of congress who actually supported calls for democrats to be executed. >> first of all, they should have opposed her in the primary. they should not have supported her when she won the primary, and they have to des avow her. he should talk to her, but here's what i would say, wolf. if any of this would appear to be legitimate, she should not be recognized as a republican. they should walk away from her. i know some people in the party say, well, you know, this may cost us. i don't know who's going to say that, but this may cost us. who cares what it costs you? there are principles involved. and they're worried about losing an election or losinga majority or not winning a majority. i said earlier today navalny the russian who had acid thrown in his face, the guy poisoned, gone back to moskow and sits in jail, he's shown courage. these folks have to stand up and say this is not our party, we don't recognize this, we disavow this, and this is unacceptable as a party. there'

when the things that is lacking in the way we talked before it was dropped with kasich teen, there's not much discussion of moral foundations or how economics from think reason why it was left after so much cultural inertia from impact families coming into that. i was treated as something is something we would presume would always be there that is not true what has happened is the left has not been the least bit shy about entering into moral space. i find it wildly ironic that people who spent so much time talk about following the science, spent so much time making more assertions. and this is morally compelled or shouldn't do this because it's immoral. i'm trading on any particular policy position as a self-evident. >> yes. what you think helps to explain then. he said he been at this for a couple three decades. trying to raise the alarm and various conservative circles or elsewhere. we think explains the lack of attention to this really crucial dimension of culture shaping, >> education, getting to our young. i don't there's a conservative in this audience are outside this audience

but when jeb didn't seem to be going anywhere i was a john kasich guy because of ohio.it's like a cross-section. because the ohio budget was in the red he got it back in the black. and then to be reelected by a landslide for the second term. that than a lot of people on the left and on the right. >> so he endorsed joe biden so a lot of people may not know as a conservative humorist that you vote for hillary clinton so you are a god in conservative circles did you get a lot of blowback on that quick. >> surprisingly low. do something we haven't been able to do in public since the 1970s. [laughter] this is a cigar. yes this is a cigar. the thing that i can say in favor of the pandemic this is the first time i've been able to smoke in public in decades. i did go for hillary i didn't care much for hillary but i floated on the principle what you know versus what you don't know i disagree with all of her policies and prescriptions. she had the most boring campaign i had ever covered although joe biden really hasn't been given a chance to compete. he hasn't been on the road. h

i'm surprised he hasn't named john kasich because he's on ads for him, he was the first to step awayto endorse joe biden, would not be surprised if he has somebody who is a republican on board. >> my resolution is for president-elect biden and it is the opposite of leslie's. he can work with republicans but he needs to stay away from the woke social justice warriors in his party and online. it would be good to the country if he doesn't listen to them and his presidency if he just ignores the loud voices on twitter pushing for social justice. >> looking at the possibility of a 50-50 senate or a very slight majority and a very narrow majority in the house. how are they going to get things done? >> they won't. no matter how georgia goes, we are looking for very little to be done in washington the next two years, maybe another covid-19 biller infrastructure plan but the truth is after all the tunnels in the nation and the nation's capital the last 20 years, 2 years, nothing much happening might be what the doctor ordered. >> looking at 50/50 split in the senate the narrow met majority fo

his old boss and governor kasich and the bush's are not mainstream, they are not the heart and soul of the republican party. donald trump is. for all these calls that senator hol hawley has hurt himself. he's now the young leader of their revolt. it is problematic that republicans will not -- the you won't see republicans move strongly and unitedly against donald trump because of the politics. they fear being primaried. most don't lose internal elections. they lose in primaries. as long as trump holds sway over that group of voters, it's problematic. >> we'll see if corporate america moves here have any meaningful influence. thank you both. we appreciate it. >>> coming up, after the riot at the capitol, new fears there could be more violence in dcomig bays. yet another sign of the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. the funeral homes struggling to keep up and in many cases forced to turn grieving families away. y [♪] think you need to buy expensive skincare products to see dramatic results? try olay skin care. just one jar of micro-sculpting cream has the hydrating power of 5 jars of a

joining me is john kasich, former republican governor of ohio. the president aside for a ke second. hearing that from josh hawley from one year ago, what is happening to these members of the republican party right now? >> it's not something, kate, that's just happened now. they've been in league and supporting him. there are no heroes here, even for those that are not going to vote to decertify. there's no heroes. they went along with him the entire time. and, you know, as a result he had so much bad behavior, beyond anything we can imagine, and now they're landing another blow to our democracy. franklin frankly it's just one blow after another and it's been going on for a while. and what this does, kate, it begins to undermine -- democracy requires the consent of the governed. now we have 30% of the country that don't believe that this election was legitimate. this will reinforce that it also requires faith in our basic institutions, one of them being elections. so what's happening is, it is a serious undermining of the democracy in our country.

>> let's get insight from the chief political analyst gloria borger and former ohio governor john kasich. governor, have you ever seen your party, the republican party, in such complete disarray? >> i'm just -- i'm sick over this, wolf. just listening to this report and they're going to have a conference to kind of talk this out. we used to have conferences to cut spending or whether we were going to cut taxes. and that would get to be volatile at times but this, this is just, it's so far beyond the pale and, frankly, the republican -- the leaders in the republican party have got to stop promoting lies. because what they're doing is they're feeding the beast. and these folks who are trying to cling to something, some folks who are -- don't have jobs or the kids are doing terribly or under fire, they're feeding these people a conspiracy theory that angers them and thinks that if we can somehow reverse the result of this election, somehow everything will be great with them. it will not be and the qanon supporters, i read a testimony of one today, a woman realizing what she was reading and

governor kasich, thank you. you spent time on capitol hill.your nine terms in the house of representatives. did you ever imagine you would see anything like this, a symbol of the american democracy looking like this, 20,000 heavily armed u.s. troops. i don't know if you've been to baghdad. in the days i was there, that was the green zone. this looks like the green zone in baghdad. >> you know, wolf, it's absolutely stunning. i've been to a number of inaugurations and it was actually a time of joy when people were inaugurated. we'd hang out together, the republicans and democrats, dignitaries, slap one another on the back. it was a time of bringing people together. i can remember when bill clinton was elected and sworn in. my wife and i got to go to lunch with pelosi, him, republicans and it was really, really good. i look at this, i've broken this down, wolf, into sort of three groups. you have these hard core an arcists, that's one group, that are out there. how big they are, i really don't know. i'm not sure anybody knows. secondly, i think

governor john kasich. let me start with you. i want to ask you about republicans in a moment.irst, you know, as we indicated, in a week, we will have a new president. we have an inauguration one precedented press. seven days ago, we were not talking about impeachment, insurrection was happening. eight days ago nobody would have in a million years thought about something like this happening. then here we are for the first time in history, a president impeached twice by the most bipartisan vote we've seen for impeachment. could you ever have imagined this? >> erin, that's -- is that a good question? i mean i go es the answer would be things are so crazy that there is nothing that surprises me anymore. you know, i thought a couple months ago, there were things that trump had done that would have, you know, kind of ended his career, would have turned people off and it didn't. and i just come to learn that whatever is out there that we never would have thought of are things that we are seeing today. you know, i watched some of this today and i have to tell you, i served in the cong

i voted for john kasich in the republican primary 2016 and i wrote in john kasich in november 2020.ast 2016 general election i voted for the libertarian guy. i would not follow trump anywhere. i am a marine and i have lost a lot of respect from -- four senator tim scott who -- lost a lot of respect for senator tim scott. everyone is yelling " take over the capital," while trump is giving his speech. tim scott thinks it is more divisive to convict him than what trump did. what if mike pence had been killed or nancy pelosi or aoc? it is a whole different story tim scott and these guys. they just want to forget all that happened. they totally lost their soul. especially as a christian, i am really disappointed in tim scott. as evangelicals we have lost our moral credibility. that is my opinion. host: redwood city, california. the former president has established the city in palm beach county where mar-a-lago is located to carry on the agenda of the trump administration through public activism according to a press release. donald trump has the office of the former president he has offic

i was a john kasich fan, not a big john kasich fan, but he is a guy i want to to cb president.e would have told us all together. the republican party -- and here i am, i vote republican. i do, because i cannot stand the democratic party. this has been going on for a long time, for 20 years. both sides have been going downhill. but as far as trying to find somebody, the man that was talking about flip your party and vote in your primaries and all that -- i mean, we got to figure it out. we need to be able to pull somebody that we really depend on into these primaries, both sides. i don't mean just republicans. host: is there anybody like that that you can name right now on the republican side? caller: you know, adam kinzinger is a guy i like. i'm not going to tell you he is the greatest guy in the world. what i like adam kinzinger. here's a guy we should be watching. i'll be honest with you, i actually liked pete buttigieg. i thought pete buttigieg -- he has his things. and i don't mean that he is gay, but he is a white elitist supposedly because he went to harvard. there was in

hopefully we can learn, we can move forward. >> governor kasich, thank you.ays, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> and counting resumes -- resumes, i'm sorry, in the pivotal georgia county of folt anticipate. jon ossoff currently has the lead over gop incumbent senator david perdue, a lead which looks like it will grow if you look at the counties with votes outstanding. we'll have a live update exactly where they are in that count. >>> the president is set to speak to a crowd of supporters in washington as a base desperate to overturn the election loss will be taken up on capitol hill, will gavel in. (grandmother) thank you for taking me home. it's so far. (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this will be fun. two chocolate milkshakes please. (grandmother) did you get his number? (young woman) no, grandma! grandma!! (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time. that's why i got a crosstrek. (avo) 97 percent of subaru vehicles sold in the last ten years are still on the road. love. it's what makes subaru, su

i would never have done it if, you know, jeb bush or john kasich or -- look, this is not a partisan thingalist is supposed to be opinionated. i have in some ways ruined any chance i have of being a working photojournalist again. but to me, that's a small price to pay for doing what i think is the right thing. >> pete and i probably -- i've never talked about this -- feel similar sense of obligation and so do a bunch of our former colleagues, to fight this battles because we don't want obama to do it. he shouldn't do it. his voice so too important to be trivialized by having to respond to tweets. >> i've never been overtly political, and now i am political. i'm going to make sure everybody knows that what to make sure ev knows that what this guy is doing is not only not normal, but it's really dangerous to the country. this is a serious job being the president. i'm going to do everything i can to make sure people don't forget that. >>> president obama invited the president-elect just two days after the election to the white house. it was a surreal day. and it just so happens by sheer coinc

>> yeah, i would never have done it -- i would never have done it if you know, jeb bush or john kasicht a good person. doesn't respect the office of the presidency. thinks about himself and not other people. lies to us. so, it became something that i felt i had to do. i don't think a photo journalist is supposed to be opinionated. i'm now opinionated, i have in some ways ruined any chance that i have of being a working photo journalist again. but to me that's a small price to pay for doing what i think is the right thing. >> pete and i, and i have never talked about it, we feel a similar sense of obligation, to fight these battles because we don't want obama to do it. you know, or he should not do it. his voice is too important to be trivialized by having to respond to tweets, you know? >> i have never been overtly political. and now, i am political. and i want to make sure that everyone knows that what this guy is doing, is not only not normal. but it's really dangerous to the country. this is a serious job. being the president. and i'm going to do everything i can to make sure that p

. >> the senator from pennsylvania, mr.an kasich. >> senator from pennsylvania. >> thank you, mr. president. i rise tonight to defend the people of thewe commonwealth of pennsylvania come to defend the more than 6.9 million voters who voted in this election and to condemn in the strongest possible terms this attempt to disenfranchise voters the pennsylvania based upon a lie, a falsehood. that same lie sowed the seeds of today's violence and today's lawlessness here in the capital. constituents, susan, from the lehighf valley, the community of our state were senator toomey lives, recently wrote to my office andd, perhaps that is best.uo she said and i quote, we cannot allow anybody to overturn the legal votes of the citizens of pennsylvania. this would be the ultimate destruction of our democracy, unquote. susan had it right. we cannot allow anybody, and she put that word in all caps, to overturn the legal votes of the people of our state. let me address the allegation regarding the pennsylvania constitution and the general assembly. somehow that the general assembly didn't have th

john kasich, former governor of ohio, "the party chose mr. trump's negative populism which saw scapegoats and defined itself by what it was against, rather than a positive populism defined by what it was for. ultimately a movement born of many americans' legitimate concerns about the effects of globalization and the feelings of alienation from the nation's political, and cultural, and financial elite was overwhelmed by mr. trump's need to find grievances. the bond he chose to build with those on the outer edge of society, who shared that tendency. the culmination on the march on the capital in which mainstream trump supporters were overshadowed by those swinging fire extinguishers at cops and a man wearing a camp auschwitz sweatshirt. now it is whether they can sort through the debris and carry forward a more mainstream version of the message." a few more calls. in ohio we hear from ron on the republican line. go ahead. caller: how are you doing? i just think, like you say, a lot of the republicans and democrats need to back down a little bit

we missed an opportunity to get a good man like john kasich as a candidate. what do we teach our children? host: i will leave it there. here's a tweet from one of our viewers, who writes in to say what about the cancel culture on the right? it is trumpists who are canceling other conservatives who are not true believers. bob in philadelphia, a republican, what do you say? caller: thank you for taking my call. anybody who does not believe in cancel culture needs only to look as far as c-span. i am only the third republican caller you have taken. if that is not trying to cancel people out, i do not know what is. maybe we should have the ministry of truth, or we could cancel out people who have worked for the trump administration who are now actively being blacklisted. is that cancel culture? i think that it is. we have harvard, one of the ivy league colleges, saying they will take away the degrees of people who have worked for the trump administration. ok? is that cancel culture. that is straight up mccarthyism, ok? and please explain to me, greta, why i am the

john kasich, larry hogan in maryland. there are others.re are others who have not yet run for office who are considering it and may run in 2022. principal republicans who are conservatives who may step forward to offer a different vision for the country and party, a unifying vision. that may happen. i think -- something that is important that also needs to occur is the capacities that have been developed under the pressure of the last four years among the principled former republicans who have fought the republic, those capacities need to be directed for another purpose, the next phase in this fight. and i believe they will be. there are discussions happening between us and principled republicans in congress about the next steps and how we might be able to, working together, occupy an important position in american politics and the chambers of commerce in which we can position between the parties and help the parties and help leaders in the white house, president biden, and others reach unifying or find unifying solutions to the major chal

communications were, as you know, back and forth between gingrich and clinton and panetta and john kasichhts here 22 years later where you have the majority of the republican party who would still vote for donald trump if he were running for president today? >> well, you know, it's funny, joe, you say that. because you're right, back in that day, 22 years ago, we thought it was so divided. we thought the country was so polarized, we thought washington was so broken in some ways. obviously, by comparison today, you could see that was almost a golden era. you're right. there was work done despite the divisions in the second term of clinton in the midst of all of this conflict they balanced the budget. they passed big legislation. they did work together even if grudgingly and not always in as. you know, i remember bill clinton had jim impeachment. they posed for a picture together, as add as that may sound. it does look so different today. today we are talking about mobs in the capitol, storming this democracy. you're right, rather than waking the country up to say, whoa, wait a second. how