katie benner, pulitzer prize -winning justice reporter for the new york times. barbara mcquade, a veteran federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan michigan, and harry litman is still with us. jon, you were in the courthouse today. what do you want us to know? because, again no audio, no video. we are relying on what you tell us. >> i thought there were a couple of fascinating things, stephanie ruhle, number, one to harry's point about this president who does not like to stop talking, who hangs himself with his own words, often -- so striking to see them there in that -- completely silent for 15 minutes, not saying a word. occasionally one of his lawyers would whisper to his ear. the only thing that he did other than cross his arms a few times clasp his hands set his jaw, the only thing he did was signed a bond agreement. that's what the other interesting thing today. the prosecutors asked for very few conditions on his release on a personal surety. basically he does not have to -- pay anything, just a couple of basic condi

she's cohost of the sisters in law podcast, and katie benner, reporter for "the new york times" and msnbc contributor. thank you all for being here. i want to start by reading -- you know, let me start -- i want to go to you renato quickly, because the meeting itself, just listening all day to all of you brilliant former federal prosecutors tells me the meeting itself is evidence potentially of a potential indictment. is that right? >> that's right. this sort of meeting is usually occurs very late in the process, joy. often, if not days, a week or two before an indictment, the defense is given an opportunity to try to persuade prosecutors not to indict. typically, a supervisor is there, in this case, jack smith. and the defense lays out their potential arguments. and it helps frankly the prosecutors understand in advance what the defense arguments are going to be, perhaps tweak their case in response to them, and occasionally, pretty rarely, they can convince the prosecutors not to charge. i wouldn't hold my breath here. >> and so you cannot read the meeting and jack smith being in the me

katie benner is still with us. thanks to all of you. ictment, one of the talking points the republicans have used from time to time is the degree to which merrick garland is somehow involved in this. merrick garland has done this. why isn't merrick garland doing more. some democrats have complained about that. tell us how this played out. this is jack smith's game. merrick garland had certain latitude to stop the jacks myths from doing what he did if jack smith did certain things that were not in keeping with just a department policy. but short of that merrick garland doesn't have a role in this. >> a great point. the moment jack smith took over as a special counsel, merrick garland essentially ceded authority to them to run this investigation. he could say no to jack smith, he could say you can't indict, he could say you can't make this invest take this investigative step, but in doing so he would then have to explain to congress why he did that. the only reason under the regulations he's allowed to take that step is a jack smith were t

michael schmidt, new york times washington correspondent, and msnbc national security contributor katie benner, pulitzer prize-winning justice department reporter. also with the new york times. my dear friend barbara mcquade, a veteran federal prosecutor, and former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. mr. schmidt, for months, we have been wondering what is mark meadows been up to. what more can you tell us about his testimony? >> well, look, mark meadows is someone who is incredibly important to these two investigations into trump. as we remember, the january 6th investigation uncovered a lot, it learned a lot about what happened in the lead up to, enduring, that day. but they never got mark meadows testimony. he refused to cooperate with that investigation to the point that the justice department had to look into whether they needed to charge him, in connection with that. here, you have jack smith, once again, showing the abilities that he has with a criminal authorities to obtain the testimony of those people closest to trump. there was no public fight in a similar fashion to

now, another thing i found curious is this nugget of information katie benner just mentioned about this pressroom at the justice department. my hope, stephanie, is that over the next 24 hours this justice department moves to the court to unseal this indictment. i think we are in a critical period right now. these are some pretty serious charges, and i think the public deserves to know as soon as possible before tuesday what prompted even in excruciating detail these charges. we all know they're warranted, but i believe the public deserve tuesday know more as soon as possible. >> anthony, do you think it was a mistake today that the doj did not put out a statement, that merrick garland didn't do some sort of press conference whether or not he was going to answer questions? because without saying anything you're ceding the floor and microphone to donald trump. >> i think there's two things that need to happen for doj to make a statement. first, the court is going to have to unseal the documents. the attorney general has said on multiple occasions the doj speaks through its records. what i

analyst, joyce vance and national reporter for the "new york times," and nbc news contributor, katie bennero have both of you here. tell us more about judge reinhart's decision today and what exactly it means? >> so this is a fairly standard protective order in a case where you're dealing with classified materials. there are clear limitations as there are in virtually every case on exposing any of the information the defendant obtains in discovery to the press or to the public, but it's particularly poignant in the case of donald trump, where he has a history of witness intimidation or efforts of putting information out in the public this one will be, i think, watched pretty strictly by the courts in the days and weeks ahead. >> you have reported extensively on the government's 20 month fight, trying to get ahold of the classified information they said he was holding in mar-a-lago we know he's notorious for stalling, right, nobody who has gone up against him in court would say that he was looking for a speedy resolution. will this trial praerhaps be th exception? is there any chance this ge

katie benner, thank you for starting us off. sticks around for the hour. >>> up next, remarkable mobilization in florida by students, by parents, taking on governor desantis and taking on the wokeness of education. they've had enough in a deep red county there. we'll bring you that story, next. is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. because one dose a day helps keep my asthma symptoms under control. and with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy helps improve lung function so i can breathe easier for a full 24 hours. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. trelegy contains a medicine that increases risk of hospitalizations and death from asthma problems when used alone. when this medicine is used with an inhaled corticosteroid, like in trelegy, there is not a significant increased risk of these events. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase risk of thrush and infections. get emergency care for serious allergi

i should hasten to say adam goldman and katie benner were coauthors on that piece. scattered throughout this hearing which was mostly just republicans railing about the russia investigation sometimes conflating it with the steele dossier and democrats pointing to episodes in the mueller report and using this occasion to highlight them, there were these questions about some of our findings when we investigated the durham investigation into the russia investigation. people asked why did your number two resign, because we reported it was after a series of ethical disputes culminating in barr pushing them to draft an interim report that was going to come out or could come out before the 2020 election. he wouldn't engage. he praised her but he said that's an internal management issue, i'm not going to talk about it. they asked him about that tip from italian officials about some kind of financial crimes linked in some way to trump that barr had durham investigate and came to nothing. there he did engage, he went beyond the report as you just showed. he acknowledged that

katie benner, thank you so much. laurence tribe is back on the program to discuss the case that the special counsel's office has laid out, but first my friend richard lui is here. >> a very good evening to you. president biden has offered assistance to state officials. a tanker truck caused fire and caused the collapse. there are no injuries. >>> two horses were euthanized in races at belmont park in new york this weekend. both horses had the same trainer and suffered leg injuries. in total four horses have died at belmont's spring and summer races. >>> and the former leader of scotland nikola sturgeon arrested into the investigation of the scottish national party. authorities allege over $750,000 raised to campaign for scottish independent back fwh in 2014 were diverted last year. we have more after this break. d. we have more after this break. bridgett is here. she has no clue that i'm here. she has no clue who's in the helmet. are you ready? -i'm ready! alright. xfinity rewards creates experiences big and small, a

with that, let's get smarter with the head of our panel tonight, sam stein, joins us -- katie benner, pulitzer prize -winning justice department -- and former federal prosecutor, renato mariotti, who's also a legal affairs columnist for politico. renato, is this surprising that judge cannon set the date for trump, just eight weeks from now? >> it's not surprising, stephanie, because there's something called the speedy trial act. the constitution, defendants have a right to a speedy trial. there's a law that is enacted that gives meaning to that. essentially says that defendants are entitled to go to trial within 70 days. now is a practical matter that almost never happens. among other things you mentioned it earlier, stephanie, pretrial motions, for example, when they are filed, they stopped the clock. when the judge is considering them, that stops the clock. there's a variety of other reasons why these cases ultimately generally take much longer than that. so it's a practical matter. she's doing what she's supposed to do by setting an early trial date. but we should expect this trial

attorney and legal analyst glenn kirschner and msnbc contributor katie benner is here, she's been covering classified documents since the beginning. former fbi intelligence officer pete struck is with us. pete, to you and glenn, there was a surprise of when we learn what jack smith has, but those on the inside say of course he's developed all this evidence and of course it's copious amounts. what do you make of this latest filing and a recording of donald trump that is indicted in the indictment itself. >> nicolle, i think you're exactly right. i don't think it comes as a surprise to anybody within the team or anyone who has worked in government before. keep in mind we don't have the slightest idea of the totality of information that jack smith and his team have assembled. every court document whether it's an affidavit for a search warrant, information in an indictment, does not contain and is not required to contain the totality of information that the government has in its possession. so it stands to reason, you know, not only has there been a grand jury but separate and apart from that

. >>> we're back with tim haphy and katie benner.'s switch gear to the documents investigation and share with you what "the washington post" is reporting this afternoon. quote, justice department prosecutors are planning to bring a significant portion of any charges stemming from a possible mishandling of classified documents at mar-a-lago. at a nearby federal court in south florida, that's according to people familiar with the matter. the legal rationale for such a move is that the bulk of the conduct at issue in the investigation occurred in the southern district of florida, in and around trump's palm beach residence and private club. even if much of the investigation has been handled by a grand jury in washington, d.c., these people said. that approach by prosecutors does not rule out the possibility of some charges such as perjury or false statements being filed in connection with the law enforcement interviews that took place there. tim, is this a rather normal thing? or what do you see that maybe we don't see with this news? >>

katie benner, thank you so. much maya and why illegally stay along. we'll talk to you later.re coming, up are the constitutional law professor, laurence tribe is back on the program to discuss the case that the special counsel's office has laid out. but first, my friend richard louis is here with the headlines, hey richard. >> good evening to you, president biden was briefed on the collapse of a section of i-95 highway in philadelphia. he's offered assistance to pennsylvania state officials, obtained a truck caught fire on an opera and causing a collapse, the closure of all the lanes, the mayor saying there is no injuries. two horses were euthanized and races at belmont park in new york this weekend. both horses had the same trainer. and suffered leg injuries. in total four horses have died at belmont spring and summer races. the former leader of scotland, nicholas sturgeon was arrested as part of an investigation into the finances of the scottish national party. authorities allege over $750,000 raised a campaign for scottish independence. back in 2014. they were diverted els

katie, benner pulitzer prize -winning justice reporter for the new york times, former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as federal prosecutor, charles corman, former so rights attorney, and -- under attorney general merrick garden and -- former director for counter intelligence. as i look at you all, here we, are on a very serious and sober night, a night where we see the justice system, the rule of law, working. it worked slowly, but it works. joyce, what's your reaction? >> i think this is actually the point that we've been trying to make all along, staff, we don't know doj is going to indict in any particular case until it happens. it's a log path, it's a frustrating path. what americans take away tonight is that the current justice department official acting special counsel has now led a team that compiled evidence sufficient to convince a grand jury today the former president. that's a process that is not grounded in politics, no matter what donald trump tries to convince people of. this is a purely professional process, grounded in the rule of law. that's s

adam goldman, and katie benner, how barr's quest to find flaws in the russian inquiry unraveled. >> objection. >> and the second is ana migliorino, italy did not feel u.s. officiant of russian meddling, prime minister says. >> without objection. >> mr. durham, i've got a number of things i want to ask you. do you desire to address what was being raised just now? >> apparently, mr. schiff's questions from and an sorriest new york times article written by charlie savage, i don't believe there is anything in that article that is attributed to miss dana heeney. and in my recollection, miss diana heeney did not comment and wasn't quoted in any way. to the extent of the new york times wrote an article suggesting certain things, it is what it is. >> was detention cozy status as a paid informant and confidential human source, was it concealed from you for any period of time? >> i'm not sure there was concealment. we found that out, and when -- >> when did you learn about it? >> when we started the investigation and how long it took for the fbi to identify the principal sub source. it wasn't identifie

. >> i want to bring into our conversation "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor katie bennerre the select committee existed, since the senate judiciary committee was looking into some of the doj-specific functions. also forming acting assistant attorney general for national security and msnbc legal analyst mary mccord is here as well. katie, before there was a select committee doing all their incredible investigative work, wasn't it the senate judiciary committee that was first interviewing some of the ex-doj officials and some of the evidence they developed early on was about rosen and donahue standing up to and confronting jeffrey clark, who among other things wanted to meddle in the georgia results after bill barr and others had told trump it was the b-word, b.s.? >> yes, absolutely. and one of the interesting things about the work that the committee did in the senate is that they pressed rosen, they pressed donahue, then the acting numbers one and two at the justice department at the end of the trump administration, whether or not they felt donald trump had committed a cr

the washington post," jackie alemany, and justice department reporter for the "new york times," katie benners morning. the first one looks at the gop whistleblowers on the biden family, and who they are. >> yeah, mika, we were trying to sort of just give our readers a lay of the land in terms of all of these accusations that republicans have been hurling at the biden family. we were sort of prepared for this kind of response, regardless of whatever charges david weiss ended up pursuing against hunter or whether or not there was going to be a plea deal. i think initially we had sort of figured that the rallying cry would largely be that, you know, the attorney general sort of missed the boat, and was not able to actually cut to the substance of these alleged pay for plays. we're now seeing this message of a sweetheart deal, there being two tiers of justice. but i think as this goes on we're going to continue to see people like jim jordan and james comer try to continue to muddy the waters despite having no proof or anything substantiated connecting joe biden to sort of any illegal activity. n

adam goldman, and katie benner, how barr's quest to find flaws in the russian inquiry unraveled. >> objection. >> and the second is ana migliorino, italy did not feel u.s. officiant of russian meddling, prime minister says. >> without objection. >> mr. durham, i've got a number of things i want to ask you. do you desire to address what was being raised just now? >> apparently, mr. schiff's questions from and an sorriest new york times article written by charlie savage, i don't believe there is anything in that article that is attributed to miss dana heeney. and in my recollection, miss diana heeney did not comment and wasn't quoted in any way. to the extent of the new york times wrote an article suggesting certain things, it is what it is. >> was detention cozy status as a paid informant and confidential human source, was it concealed from you for any period of time? >> i'm not sure there was concealment. we found that out, and when -- >> when did you learn about it? >> when we started the investigation and how long it took for the fbi to identify the principal sub source. it wasn't identifie