katie hobbs joins us now.ening in arizona is probably the scariest of the states right now. how out of control is this process, and is there is way to get it to stop? >> we really hope there is a way to get it to stop. we've been working on different avenues to do that since it began. but we've also been saying since the beginning that they are writing the playbook to take this to other states. everyone watching should be extremely concerned about this. it's an attempt to continue to undermine election integrity. and lay the groundwork to steal future elections. >> it's also costing taxpayers in maricopa county money. you said the voting machines that have been tampered with are no longer good. it's going to cost millions of dollars. and arizona, this is called ohpi, a power ranking among arizona figures. it says you are number one among arizona registered voters, number three among democrats. does that popularity across the board give you kind of a public forum to be able to speak against this? what has been

eld in the arena katie hobbs is here with us now. start on the lesson here which i think is interesting about what it takes to count ballots. there's all this in patients and those dark conspiracy theories. we're seeing a lesson in maricopa, it takes a while. it's a testament to all those local election workers who got the guns counted and recorded accurately in far shorter times in the folks in that arena. >> yes, absolutely. you no one knows how to count ballots are election officials. who doesn't know how to count ballots are the cyber ninjas and all of their volunteers. >> what is going on there, is that still happening? how do you think about what this is? >> we've had concerns from the beginning going into this. we outlined a lot of security measures that we hoped would be in place, which was flat out ignored by this president and subsequently -- this procedure. we had to go to court to force these folks to allow the press in to require procedures so we knew it was going on, and to allow our expert independent's into document e

>> leading off our discussion, julian castro and former secretary in the obama administration, katie hobbes. secretary hobbes, let me begin with you and your reaction of what the president said? >> the president had done nothing but continue to lie about the election that he lost. he's inciting -- >> i was asking what president biden said today. >> sorry, i thought you said president trump. the president is exactly right. we are seeing an assault on our democracy on many fronts starting with the former president on the assault on the election he lost last november and most americans have moved onto and all these bills that were seen passed in legislatures across the country continuing to attack people's rights to vote. this is an assault on our democracy. >> and julian castro, the president today laid out the sketch of a schedule saying june was going to be an important month to try to move this forward. >> yes, look, what we have is a moment that's critical of preserving our democracy. i agree with joe biden. we have our democracy that's under assault in most of our 50 states. this is a pa

joining me now is katie hobbs, secretary hobbs, good to have you here. i don't like to bring up what donald trump says these days or at all. i do need you to answer this one. he said the arizona election was a third world country election like we have never seen. these are the allegations. the secretary of state said it was a fair election. and allegations made in pennsylvania, this is what happens, donald trump said these are sham elections and they feed this lie. >> maybe there was a third world election in the alternate reality that he lived in. that's not what happens here in arizona or across the country. we heard over again it is the most secure election. we saw historic turnout in the face of many challenges. he's just wrong and we all know that. he's continuing to perpetuate the big lie to some end game which now looks like he's telling folks he's going to be back in the white house in august. this is dangerous. we have every reason to believe this could lead to another january 6th insurrection and nobody is doing anything to hold these folks acc

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also with us, arizona secretary of state katie hobbs. ecretary hobbs, let me begin with you and your reaction to what the president had to say today. >> while the president has done nothing but continue to lie about the election that he lost and what's more concerning about it is that he's inciting -- its >> secretary i was asking about what president joe biden said today. >> oh. sorry i thought you said president trump so sorry about that. no i mean the president is exactly right. we are seeing an assault on our democracy for many fronts starting with the former president's continued assault on the election that he lost last november that most americans have moved on from and then all of these bills that were seeing passed in legislatures across the country continuing to attack people's right to vote. this is an assault on our democracy. >> and juliÁn castro, the president today laid out the sketch of his schedule is saying june was going to be a very important month to try to move this forward. >> yeah look what we have is a moments tha

democratic secretary of state katie hobbs. she is also running for governor.t, could you have ever imagined that this lie would go so far? i remember i spoke to you before the election. and we talked about misinformation, and we talked about trying to combat it. but here we are all these months later, and you see these laws being passed and republican-led states across the country. you see the big election lie continuing to be put out there. could you have ever imagined this? >> absolutely not. and i think most americans are probably in the same position. i mean, we talked before about how dangerous the misinformation was, and i don't know that we all had quite a grasp of how dangerous it was, but we saw that on january 6th. and we're seeing the same kind of ramp-up now, i mean, with trump saying he'll be back in the white house in august. and so we've never seen anything like this. i don't think anyone thought we would get here, and it's really unfortunate that there wasn't a big wake-up call for a lot of people on january 6th. >> but do you think that there

. >> specifically republican lawmakers targeted arizona secretary of state katie hobbs and georgia's grab. gop state legislator advancing a measure to strip secretary of state katie hobbs, a democrat, of her ability to defend election lawsuits. instead, that power could wind up with the republican attorney general. >> we're certainly considering legal options, but what this is is nothing more than a partisan blatant retaliation against my office, coming from folks who are, you know, basically leading by conspiracy theory. >> the partisan play in the battleground state of arizona just one of a host of provisions allowing legislatures and others in republican-run states to seize power. from election officials. extraordinary lengths in 2020 to ensure americans could safely vote during a pandemic but also to stand up to attempts from former president trump and his allies to overturn the election results. >> these kinds of efforts to have partisan bodies, state legislatures, take away decision-making power from election professionals of both parties is really a hangover from donald trump'

s secretary of state, katie hobbs. she is, also, running for governor. good to see you.ort to be released? do you expect it will allege election fraud? >> it sounds like they are planning to release a report, sometime in the next couple months. and we do, certainly, expect it to -- to not be a valid report. everything we've seen in the process shows us that they are not following any type of postelection audit best practices. they have been inconsistent with applying procedures. that's led to errors. there's been lax security. so all kinds of problems, which just have created an atmosphere where we just aren't -- aren't confident in the results that they will come up with at all. >> i want to play a clip with one america news where a reporter makes the very same, baseless accusations that are behind the arizona audit. listen to what he says should happen to the people who he falsely believes stole the election. >> what happens to all these people who are responsible for overthrowing the election? what are the consequences for traitors who meddled with our sacred-democrat

joining us now, arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, a democrat. and a candidate now for governor. secretary hobbs, what is your understanding of what will happen after these so-called results are announced from this so-called audit? >> well, you actually know more than i do, i think. i just learned that they're going to wrap up this week. we certainly didn't anticipate a report right away, so it sounds like it will be several weeks down the road before that report comes out. but the bottom line is, and i've said this many, many times. the atmosphere that they have created in terms of the lack of adherence to consistent procedures, the lack of security, the lack of transparency really has created an atmosphere that's prime for cooking the books and that's fully what we expect when the report comes out. the previous report talked about just the undermining of people's confidence in the systems and we know that that's what's going to happen, which is why we've fought so hard against this from the beginning. >> if a company chooses -- if a private comp

i want to bring in arizona's secretary of state katie hobbs. we're in crazy town. good evening. thanks for joining us. the former president desperately trying to claim that he'll be reinstated. he won't. but just yesterday three pennsylvania state lawmakers toured the arizona audit. one of them is a state senator, doug mastriano. "the washington post" is reporting that he has had the ear of president trump. does that concern you, katie? >> well, this whole entire sham audit concerns me, and we've been saying for quite some time that they are writing the playbook here in arizona to take this across the country. and we've been talking about how does this end, and i don't know that it does. the longer they drag this out, the more money they're able to continue making on it. but they're also able to continue undermining the public's confidence in our election systems, which is a tool to suppress votes in future elections. they're laying the groundwork to try to steal future elections. this whole entire thing is concerning. >> what are you guys -- speaking of, can you use the machine

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arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, thank you very much. appreciate it. >>> still ahead, conservative activist christopher russo launched a campaign against the perfect villain. everyone from tucker carlson to donald trump listened. he responded on twitter challenging me to bring him on this very show to debate. okay. well, he joins me next. >>> plus speaker nancy pelosi drops hints about forming a select committee to investigate the capitol insurrection. one of the officers involved in the response thinks it would be a very good idea. >> as an american, i believe very strongly in a two-party system. right now one of those parties has a cancer and we've got to cut it out. >> wow. >>> and two republican governors battle it out to see who can be the trumpiest trumpster in the land, but only one, only one can be tonight's absolute worst. who will it be? "the reidout" continues after this. reidout" continues after this wondering what actually goes into your multivitamin? at new chapter, its' innovation, organic ingredients, and fermentation. fe

arizona secretary of state katie hobbs who just announced she is running for governor is joining me at the top of the next hour as a bombshell report is out detailing the desperate and deranged atems to which the anti-democratic former administration went to try to stay in power after it lost the election last year. "the new york times" has reviewed portions of newly uncovered emails provided to congress sent during the last week of december and early january. in them, the chief of staff mark meadows asked jeffrey rosen then acting attorney general to examib debunked claims of election fraud in new mexico and in baseless conspiracies that held that trump was the victor. these private efforts veered into the realm of the outlandish and sought validation for information and some of this is truly is outlandish and makes you wonder if someone was watching the old james bond movie moon raker. a theory that people in italy used military technology and satellites to remotely tamper with voting machines in the united states and switch votes for trump to votes for biden. italy is now involved i

with that result which we know is not going to be a valid result. >> arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, thank you so much. let's turn back to the action on capitol hill to bring in representative murphy. what is your response to this op ed in "the washington post" from your colleague kyrsten sinema. >> i respectfully disagree with the conclusion she comes to. we no longer have two parties that are both committed to democracy and extending the vote. in fact, we have one party that spent much of the beginning of this year actively trying to install someone as president who didn't win the electoral college vote or the popular vote and so when that breakdown occurs it's the responsibility of the majority party to make sure that our democracy is protected, and so i understand it's important for people in my business to be consistent and maintain their positions, but you also have to recognize you when the facts around you have changed and we'll continue to have a really robust debate about the future of senate rules. i may go down to the senate floor the next 24, 48 hours and have my say on

jocelyn benson, katie hobbs, appreciate it. thank you very much.s gubernatorial candidate, beto o'rourke joins us. and what republicans are calling basically a typo that could potentially have depressed african-american turnout. was it really just a mistake? ahead. (vo) jamaica. (woman) best decision ever. (vo) feel the sand between your toes, and the gentle waves of the sea on your skin. feel the warm jamaican breeze lift your spirits and nourish your soul. escape to exactly what makes your heart beat. you will love every moment. jamaica. heartbeat of the world. let's go. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/promo another day, another chance. it could be the day you break the sales record, or the day there's appointments nonstop. with comcast business, you get the network that can deliver gig speeds t

in our last hour we heard from the arizona secretary of state katie hobbs about her concerns as the audit up. joining us now is maricopa county recorder and republican steven richer. appreciate you being with us. what is your understanding of what is going to happen when the so-called -- these, quote-unquote, results come out from the so-called audit in arizona and what exactly is the process for returning the ballots? >> yeah, well, thank you very much for having me on. i really appreciate it. part of the problem is that we haven't gotten clarity about this process. we don't know exactly what to expect. but we do understand there will be some sort of report and that might be issued in late july but it might take longer than that. but, look, we think the arizona senate boarded this train without knowledge of where it was going and i don't think it is going to a good place. >> the fact -- i mean, we talked to katy hobbs in the last hour. she is a democrat. you are a republican. this is unbelievable to me or i shouldn't say unbelievable but disturbing to me that there are politicians from a

i want to bring in arizona secretary of state katie hobbs. hi, thank you. we're in crazy town.sperately trying to claim he'll be reinstated. he won't. just yesterday three pennsylvania lawmakers toured the arizona audit. one of them is a state senator, doug. the "washington post" is reporting that he has had the ear of president trump. does that concern you, katie? >> well, this whole entire sham audit concerns me. and we've been saying for quite some time that they are writing the play book in arizona to take this across the country. and we've been talking about how does this end, and i don't know that it does. the longer they drag this out, the more money they're able to continue making on it but they're also able to undermine the public's confidence which is a tool in future elections. they are laying the ground work for future elections. this whole entire thing is concerning. >> speaking of -- can you use the machines and the things they're working with again? are not they vulnerable to hacking and all that? are you going to have to get new machines? >> certainly the chain

republicans in arizona, meanwhile, introduced a bill that would largely strip katy hobbs, the democraticelection of lawsuits and expire when she leaves office. nationwide, republicans have introduced at least 216 bills in 48 states. of those, 24 have been enacted into law across 14 states. the maneuvers risk eroding some of the core checks that installed the bulwark of donald trump as he sought the election results. they'll soon have greater control over the levers of the american elections systems. >>> meanwhile mike pence who, of course harks been a regular at conservative conferences for years if not decades, but at an event on friday took a different turn for the former vice president. pence was heckled while delivering a speech at the faith and coalition reform in florida. take a look. >> i want to thank ralph read for those words. i'm deeply humbled by them. he knows the introduction i prefer is a little bit shorter. i'm a christian, conservative, and republican, in that order, and i'm honored to stand before you today. >> yikes. that woman that you heard was shouting traitor. she

the poll watchers katie hobbs referred to is something that happens in jurisdiction. there's local authority on the election. but parties are invited to let people come in and watch. to make sure nothing bad goes on and this has happened for a long time in our country. no one who is there watching ever is there -- in forget, there are strict rules in my state what they can and can't do. they're not trying to influence any process. but it is frightening to me that they're removing any semblance of fairness to the process and turning it into we have to do this so we can make sure that we put somebody like donald trump in office even when he doesn't get enough votes. it's infuriating. >> can i ask you a blunt question, claire? i feel the more progressive representatives and senators are out front. when the most vulnerable democrats -- are the democrats that win in swing states and red states are not out front on this. they could never win again. >> i think they are out front. all 49 up until -- and joe has signed off on a lot of this bill. but 49 are co-sponsors, nicolle

now, secretary of state katie hobbs thinks she's figured it out. >> what we've noticed is that they areg these shirts to label our observers, as pinko commies. that the shirt made him look like a transgender. which i don't even know what that means. >> so it's a joke? >> i -- i don't -- i mean, i think this whole thing a joke. >> reporter: the pink shirts are one of the more eye-popping details in a summary report from hobbs's office detailing a slew of problems with this ballot review of maricopa county's 2020 ballots. observers noted more than a dozen serious problems, from an unattended and open security gate. errors with the software update used to examine ballots. so problematic, they ditched it and went back to the old software. and a cellphone brought to the floor. observers say that cellphone was carried by one of the leaders of the so-called audit, despite rules prohibiting them. and security using what appears to be an anti-spy detector, daily, on the coliseum floor. and then, there's this. >> there were two instances where black pens were, again, on -- on the counting floor.

now secretary of state katie hobbs says she's figured it out. >> what we noticed is they are using theseransgender. i don't know what that means. >> reporter: so it's a joke? >> i think this whole thing is a joke. >> reporter: the pink shirts are one of the more eye-popping details in a summary report from hobbs' office, detailing slew of the ballots. observers noted more than a dozen serious problems from an unintended and open security gate, errors with the software update used to examine ballots, so problematic, they ditched it and went back to the old software. and a cell phone brought to the floor. observers say that cell phone was carried by one of the leaders of the so-called audit, despite rules prohibiting them. and then there's this. >> there were two instances where black pens, again, were on the counting floor. >> reporter: she is an arizona public reporter. pen color is a big deal because blue and black pens can be used to alter ballots during an audit. she pointed out weeks ago to the cyber ninjas, the company hired by the arizona senate. >> he said we're going to remove th

when i was speaking with katie hobbs earlier today, she said she is fully expects the governor is goinginking about their next options. essentially she said all legal options are on the table as of now, john. >> sara murray, terrific report. thank you so much. >>> up next the urgent building inspections prompted by this disaster here in surfside, florida. here, if you already pay for car insurance, you can take your home along for the ride. allstate. better protection costs a whole lot less. click or call to bundle today. i always had a connection to my grandfather... i always wanted to learn more about him. i discovered some very interesting documents on ancestry. this is the uh registration card for the draft for world war two. and this is his signature which blew me away. being able to... make my grandfather real... not just a memory... is priceless. his legacy...lives on. >>> tonight, as crews search the rubble of a condo collapse here in surfside, florida, there is urgent work being done at other buildings in florida to make sure it doesn't happen again. cnn's brian todd joins us w

it's arizona taking away from the secretary of the state katy hobbs, her right -- >> but they right it it's the most bizarre attempt of all. >> it's taking 100,000 people off -- sorry. it's specifically aimed at people of color, at people who have voted in the last election, people who had access because of the changes, because of covid, they had more access. it's taking away -- in texas, taking away sunday voting, souls to the poll. it's exactly aimed at minority voters. they took away other aspects. they're purging the role. it's so explicit that in each of these cases, if you talk to lawyers on both sides of the case, there's no question that in georgia they have -- >> we have to remember that you push republicans. i've talked to state republicans, why are you doing this. well, there was voter fraud, voter issues. you have william barr just out today with "the atlantic" saying it's b.s. >> he didn't say b.s. he said the whole word. >> then republicans who are keeping -- letting him continue to have power, understanding he has a lot of influence with the base, that they are following

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that belonged to katie hobbs.ction integrity cases. he is also running for the u.s. snast next year and you can expect to see this as part of the campaign. >> one of the things that we covered here as within the, i don't know, the pill gymage or the official visits to check out this audit. this is no longer happening. more than a dozen other states coming in to your neck of the woods. >> so we saw state lawmakers and candidates from a dozen states doing an audit tour in the number of the last several weeks. we don't know what they're going to do when they go back home. and it was used as, for these candidates, as possibly talking points in their upcoming campaigns. >> great to have your expertise. thank you very much for being with us. thank you all of us for watching this hour on msnbc reports. tons mf coverage coming up, craig melvin picking up coverage right now. >> good monday morning. it is going to be a very busy hour. 30 minutes from now we should be getting a update from officials here. the search and resc

right now in arizona where republican state legislators are set to hobble the secretary of state katy hobbsizona fraud-it ran by a company named cyber ninjas is now trying to codify that power grab. defunding hobbs' ability, designating third-party to sift through voter databases, get this, putting a half million dollars aside to investigate social media platform bias which is a bizarre provision that makes a lot more sense when you find out it was put in by a state rep who got de-platt formed recently for running a troll farm. just to make it really clear that this is nothing more than petty partisan politics, the legislation is also set to sunset at the end of hobbs' term when republicans hope they'll have someone from their party in place. no wonder cobbs' communication director described it to me as being mean girls in high school but you're destroying democracy instead of the prom. this is going to go a lot further than simply trying to make that happen. it is part of a sinister state by state effort by trumpists to grab as many votes as possible voters be damned. election boards in ar

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katie hobbs who stood up the trump and said, no, our election was fair and free and recounted and you board in the governor's race. doug ebber heart, a former trump donor, he's going to spray friendly fire on other republicans and settle scores of auspices, endorsing people in republican primaries, trump won't let this go so it will impact republicans -- >> between the republicans like the ones in maricopa county versus the trump republicans. and what they are saying is that this is a battle here in arizona between fact and fiction. and you have the republicans lining up behind fact and the republicans lining up behind fiction and so that's the division and republicans here, you know, there are a third here who are independent, one-third democrat, one-third republican, one-third independent, which side are they going to vote for? >> kyung lah, jeremy wallace, tia mitchell, grateful for your conversation today. hopefully you'll come back, this one is with us for the next year or so. >>> campaign announcement george p. bush, as donald trump calls him, the bush who got it right. uh, i-i'

joining us is arizona secretary of state katie hobbs who announced her run for governor and michiganate. when you see you have pennsylvania state lawmakers touring this so-called audit in your state, do you think more and more audits will start happening around the country and if so, what does that mean? >> what i think is so critical for everyone to understand and i think they do because we have been talking about this for so long, this is dangerous. this is not an audit. it doesn't meet any standards of best practices that you would see in a post election audit and it's going to do nothing to determine the validity of election results. it is -- all it's going to do is continue to undermine the integrity of the elections and dpul vo-- fuel voters' concerns because this election was free, and fair and accurate. >> again, there was huge voter turnout on both sides. it was a historic election and remarkable election in how many americans voted. the fact they can manipulate this and turn this into something that has doubt in the minds of a lot of the former president's supporters is jus

. >> the fact -- i mean, we talked to katy hobbs in the last hour. she is democrat. you are republican. this is unbelievable to me or i shouldn't say unbelievable but disturbing that there are politicians from around the country coming to maricopa county taking tours of this audit so-called run by this county that our reporters have gone to florida and found they don't have offices and have no actual experience in doing an audit like this and this is somehow the model that other states or other various actors and states are wanting to replicate. as somebody who cares about voting fraud and a proper vote as you do in your career what is it like seeing people coming from around the country wanting to repeat this? >> this isn't saying just from a competence standpoint. we've had 13 other states visit and i would say to them, this is not the audit you want. this is far from the gold standard of audits. you're looking for the ernst and young of accounting. you're not looking for a newby company who has never done this before who as cnn very capably showed doesn't even hav

arizona's democratic secretary of state, katie hobbs, the target of threats and harassment and vitriol, called out her own state seine na, kyrsten sinema for refusing to get rid of the filibuster that stands in the way of passing this law. full democratic immunity is the only way to get this done. senator raphael warnock, spent a lifetime working on these issues, before being elected thanks to last year's incredible turnout eloquently laid out the stakes today. >> right now across the nation, constitutional rights are being assaulted. and i fear that if we don't act as a body in this moment, we will have crossed a dangerous rubicon in our nation that will make it extremely difficult for the next generation to secure voting rights for every eligible american. this is not our house. this is the house of the people. we are stewards of that trust. we have to ensure that the voices of the people can be heard in their own house. >> in the end we ended up where we knew we would end up. 50/50, party line vote in the united states senate tonight. stark division, one party that is radicalized ag

now, secretary of state katie hobbs thinks she's figured it out. >> what we've noticed is that they aresing these shirts to label our observers as pink-o commies, that the shirt made him look like a transgender, which i don't even know what that means. >> so, it's a joke? >> i don't -- i mean, i think this whole thing is a joke. >> the pink shirts are one of the more eye-popping details in a summary report from hobbs' office. detailing a slew of problems with this ballot review of maricopa county's 2020 ballots. observers noted more than a dozen serious problems, from an unattended and open security gate. errors with the software update used to examine ballots. so problematic, they ditched it and went back to the old soft wash. a software. and a cell phone brought to the floor. observers say that cell phone was carried by one of the leaders of the so-called audit, despite rules prohibiting them and security using what appears to been anti-spy detector daily on the coliseum floor. and then, there's this. >> there were two instances, where black pens were, again, on the counting floor. >>

katie hobbs, a democrat, told reuters she continues to receive death threats now. michigan's secretary of state, jocelyn benson, a democrat who faced armed protestors outside her home in december. she says she is, also, still getting the threats. and in georgia, election workers from local volunteers, all the way up to senior administrators. continue, even now, to endure regular, harassing phone calls and e-mails from trump supporters today. one e-mail, sent january 2nd to officials in nearly a dozen counties, threatening to bomb polling sites. quote, no one at these places will be spared, unless and until trump is guaranteed to be potus, again. the local official in charge of the mail-in ballot operation in fulton county, georgia, received numerous racist death threats. he is seen here doing his job at a ballot-counting facility in georgia. one night, strangers showed up at his house. they identified himself -- themselves as the new neighbors. wanted to meet him, knocked on the door. he knew nobody had moved into his neighborhood, recently. he did not have any new

katy hobbs arizona secretary of state is getting death threats to this day because of her oppositionsting delegations of republicans from georgia, alaska, colorado, and virginia to name a few looking to spread these legally dubious, un-democratic side shows to their own states. yesterday wisconsin republicans announced they were sending a delegation to arizona. the trip will be paid for by a group called voices and votes run by, wait for it, former trump administration official and current oan host christina bob and the oan white house correspondent. they are also hoping to fund -- helping to fund the fraud-it in arizona. also, arizona state republicans gave the far right fringe network the only live stream of the show. today attorney general merrick garland announced he would expand the justice department's voting rights unit vowing to scrutinize those audits and onerous republican voting laws recently passed. >> we are scrutinizing new laws that seek to curb voter access and where we see violations we will not hesitate to act. we will apply the same scrutiny to post election audits

government, the department of justice even got involved in and your colleague, the secretary of state, katie hobbs, is that they gave someone else control of the machines, someone not a government employee, someone not vetted as a government employee, putting aside the fact that cyber ninjas don't have particular experience in this and the ceo of the company has perpetuated some of the lies donald trump put forth. putting that aside, they still don't meet general qualifications for the chain of custody. if you really needed now to audit maricopa county, you can't trust the information. >> that's exactly correct. so when you do election audits, you need to make sure that the people having access to the equipment are vetted. in colorado we require criminal background checks and also that you keep chain of custody and other security protocols. if not, you may have to replace all of your election equipment which costs millions of dollars. but i do want to qualify this and contextualize it. we are seeing a coordinated attack on democracy from these fraudits, intended to undermine confidence to the 400

i will also talk to arizona secretary of state katie hobbs about the lie and her state's bonus election on it. and we'll tell you why president biden's one-on-one with queen elizabeth is a right of passage as he heads out on to the world stage. thanks for joining us. have a great night. xxxxx rp >>> in the 1920s, there was a strong black community here in tulsa called greenwood. these people were the core of black entrepreneurship. people call it the black wall street. >> greenwood was like putting harlem, bourbon street, and chocolate city all in one place. >> but white tulsans talked about greenwood as little africa or niggerland. >> tulsa was a powder keg. needing only something to set the community alight. between 100 and 300 people, most of them black, were killed. >> today we call it a massacre. they were hastily trying to get rid of the bodies. by dumping them in mass graves around the city. we have tulsans have an undetermined number who were murdered. it should not have taken 99 years. >> anybody who thinks this crime scene won't speak doesn't have the ears to hear. the ancesto

i think they found a way -- it would have taken katie hobbes out of some of her authority. plan other this seemingly doomed federal legislation? >> i can tell you what i hope, but i can't tell you if it's going to work. if you look at hr-1, and you say it's too big, too expensive, and let's face it there is a lot in there. okay,manchin, tell us what needs to come out. don't let it die. you're absolutely right. the republicans are addressing a problem that doesn't exist. they're port to tell americans, we're securing our election against fraud. folks, there was no fraud. they're taking every step they can to try to reduce the number of people in communities of color who vote, they are trying to set this up so they can rule without a majority of the american people signing off on them ruling. >> well, i hope you're part of those conversations. congressman jim himes, thank you for spending time with us. >> thank you. >>> still heal for us, joe manchin appearing unmoved. how the conversation went with someone who was in the room where it happened. next. someone who was in the r

joining us now is arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, also a candidate for governor in arizona.te officials in pennsylvania coming to see what's going on in your state, to see if they can import it to pennsylvania. >> yeah, we saw earlier last week the senate president told a cnn reporter that arizona is writing what could be the gold standard in these kind of audits, and i have said in the beginning, they certainly are writing a play book. we know it's not gold standard. nothing they're doing here includes any type of best practice that you would see in a regular post election audit, which by the way, we already do. we have already done. and this election is over. >> you've done three audits, right, and then your republican governor certified the results after three counts. >> we don't do recounts in arizona. the recount margin is very small, but we do a standard hand count audit of a randomly selected 2% of the precincts. that was done. the three other audits are additional audits that maricopa county did, in an attempt to try to satisfy the senate request. >> tell me what con

secretary of state katie hobbs, who has been an outspoken opponent and critic of the audit could soonote, the republican-controlled state legislature in arizona voted thursday to revoke the democratic secretary of state's legal authority in election-related lawsuits, handing that power instead to the republican ag. now, the provision which was inserted into the state's budget just awaits the republican governor's signature. the other epicenter of this nationwide gop-led assault on democracy is georgia where another specious audit is underway, but that audit was just dealt a substantial blow from the ajc's report. quote, a judge dismissed most of a lawsuit thursday, seeking a deep inspection of fulton county absentee ballots from last year's presidential election, a review pursued by voters trying to find fraud. the case is an attempt to scrutinize 147,000 absentee ballots based on claims by republicans who suspected there were counterfeit ballots during a manual recount of november's election results. election officials have said there's no indication of fraud after multiple recounts