she's running against katie hobbs, the state's secretary of state. with abortion now, it's not relitigating 2020. it's what would you do as governor of arizona and we're seeing katie hobbs and the democrats air advertisements going after the abortion decision, really putting lake on the defensive. arizona is a state where we saw the presidential contest decided by just about 10,000 votes in 2020. democrats are hoping the issue of abortion puts the republicans on the defensive. >> and richards, we've seen that abortion access and legality in states like michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, largely coming down to which party wins these governors mansions. the judge issuing an opinion calling to reinstate a 158-law. how are advocates getting voters to the polls there? it relies on motivation and turnout. >> exactly. this is an issue that started when the dobbs decision came down, but the republican party and republican leadership keep making it worse. again, as you say in arizona, they just overturned, basically gone back 150 years to a full abortion ban.

state katie. hobbs who you will meet in the moment.e of any crime. he is basically accused the former vice president mike pence of staging a coup against donald trump. and after all of that recent polling shows that he is tied with his opponent. finally let's look at he was running for governor in arizona. kelly lake is a former news and returns as trump slogan negotiator. similar to a former president she knowingly spread's lies or supporters such as the big lie that the 2020 presidential election was rigged. she antagonizes the media and tweeted some nonsense about me just yesterday. and encourages her supporters to do the same. just this week she posted a video cheering on the reilly go who was streaming that the media is the virus. she has claimed that immigrants are, quote, bringing drugs and crime and they are rapists. and she has made it clear that she thinks abortion is, quote, the ultimate sin. she will face off with the arizona secretary of state katie hobbs in the member. she will join us right after the break. the break. th

we look at katie hobbs who's in a similar situation.h in the nine or, is there a liars. how do you handle that? do you fact-check douglas trio? does fact-checking douglas trio no give air to the nonsense that he talks? >> yeah i focus on trying to make a case, with the positive of what we do in our democracy to protect our freedoms, like the right to choose, and create opportunity for children who don't often have opportunities, especially in some of our role in urban communities. i find that doug while she ono as someone who -- here in pennsylvania. won't talk to the media. won't talk to people who don't think like him, worship like him for, i like him, and married like him. these are insular and his approach. i find that i don't like we've seen a whole lot of time talking about him, but rather focus on my positive vision for how we can bring pennsylvania together, get meaningful things done. >> josh, good to see you again as always. you have been a friend of the show for years. i appreciate the fact that you are always willing to come

is this the case of katie hobbs capitulating to the unions? >> well, absolutely. it's clear that she is in the pocket of the status quo and all of those who will defend and protect the status quo, and not standing with parents and families and students that really do want to have other choices and options if their assigned school is not working for them. arizona is really on the forefront of education freedom having just passed universal education savings accounts so that any student in the state of arizona that wants to do something different can do so by accessing 90% of what the state spends on that child. it's a huge step in the right direction for families, and my prediction is going to be that this momentum started in arizona around this type of program is going to continue to grow across the country. we are seeing everywhere families demanding more options and more choices and better options returning to actually focusing on learning and learning the basics. there's been so many things revealed in these last few, you know, couple of years that families have

no, i don't think for one second that arizona will bring katie hobbs to the governor's office.here's no way. so we are going to win and we are going to secure the border. we have a very complex border and it will take one strong governor to get in and take care of the problem. we will ask other states to help us out. what happens in arizona doesn't remain in arizona. it goes everywhere. and everywhere i go, people say build the wall and secure the border. other states will come in and we will ask for their help. if they can send their national guard to help us out and send resources, we will work them in together get our borders secure. and the other border states will start to do the same thing. i'm not a fan of people bussing people illegally into other cities. it makes for a photo off but it just takes people that shouldn't be here and moves them further in. i think we should drive them to the border and send them back the other way. we can't have everybody coming in. these are people from 160 countries coming in. i was talking to a border patrol agent and they say we are sh

he looked down at arizona where the democrat candidate for the governorship katie hobbs is threateningll back if she wins the state amazing school choice legislation there, carrie lake, republican opponent making an issue out of that. in washington state tiffany smiley whose challenging democratic senator murray, she released an entire education agenda. ron johnson in wisconsin recently released parents for ron johnson trying to highlight this issue. anyway where there are parents and competitive grace, this will matter. paul: one of the trendsetters was ron desantis four years ago where he used school choice to make strong inroads particularly with black pants who wanted school choice and scholarships and felt those would be taken away. has that been kind of the template republican candidates are following? >> yes and i think there's huge opportunity to seize on it now going back to learning loss issue, one thing is how disproportionally armed poor and minority kids were during covid. the lockdowns are the kids and it's got potential to have lifelong consequences so i think parents ar

in arizona, katie hobbs is refusing to debate carey lake.ling her a conspiracy theorist and calling off any debates with her. and tiffany smiley in washington state has been accepted for debate invitations against senator patty murray. but patty murray will not agree to any of them. now, will remember this next time they want us to agree to various presidential debates. tiffany smiley joins me now. tiffany, are we really to believe this is all about scheduling details from senator murray's office? because you've made yourself available on a number of dates, a number of opportunities for debate. no-go so far. >> i accepted my first debate four weeks ago, and since then i've accepted four more debates. no response from the murray campaign. it's important to note that i also accepted an editorial board interview that i thought would be in person with me and senator murray sitting side-by-side in front of the editorial board. it turned into a zoom meeting, i very graciously agreed, i know senator murray has floating schedules and so i agreed. sh

campaign for katie hobbs? the democratic candidate for governor in arizona as a result of that? >> i'm going to do everything i can to make sure that kari lake is not elected. >> so -- does that include campaigning for democrats if that's what it takes? >> yes. >> we're talking about arizona. that is a huge deal. she's going to throw her weight. that is a state where just a little bit of that normal like mccain republican vote really is impactful. i hope that was one of the more significant things she said yesterday. >> yeah, i think in terms of like bottom line what's she actually going to do over the course of the next six weeks now until the midterms, over the course of these next six weeks when she gets free of washington. we know she's going to be on the road a fair amount. look, everything she said 100% is consistent with what she's been saying. after everything she's done and said, there's no ground to gain to do anything but trust that liz cheney is really serious about trying to make sure donald trump

in the governor's race in arizona, democrat katie hobbs has a one point lead over republican carrie lakeoregon, where the incumbent governor kate brown's term limited, cannot run for reelection, democrat tina cotech, republican christine drazen, independent betsy johnson are locked in a battle to replace her. all three previously served in the oregon state legislature. separated by just one point in the new oregonian poll. inflation, homelessness, crime and major issues after portland saw a record high 90 homicides in 2021. our latest fox power rankings, you can see these online, move that race from lead democrat to toss up. let's take you to iowa, seven turn republican senator chuck grassley leads u.s. retired navy admiral by eight points in the most recent poll with the first time grassley has pulled below 50% in a head-to-head contest since 19. faces controversy after a published police report alleging he kissed a former campaign manager without her consent. calling that a desperate move. and update. of next we go to southwestern florida, the city of naples, which was hit hard by hurr

the secretary of state and gubernatorial candidate katie hobbs joins us in the next hour. velshi starts now. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning to you it is sunday, september 18th. i'm live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. a city that, this week, is hosting president biden and scores of other world leaders for the united nations general assembly. biden has said to have a busy few days, including a bilateral meeting with the new uk prime minister list trust. no doubt the death of queen elizabeth have the new king will be discussed along with other important items, including the global economy. russia's brutal provoke war with ukraine is set to be on the agenda -- at what appears to be a turning point in the more on the battlefield, also a turning point for how russia and vladimir putin are viewed and treated on the world stage including by russian allies because of the catastrophic outcomes of the war. speaking after meeting with china's using paying a multinational summit in use back in san, couldn't stated that russia, quote, understand your questions and concerns about ukra

. >> so are you going to campaign for katie hobbs, the democratic candidate for governor as a result of that? . >> i will do everything i can to make sure carrie lake is not elected. [ applause ]. >> so -- does that include campaigning for democrats if that's what it takes? . >> yes. >> i want to bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent ali vitale. and charles coleman a civil rights attorney, former prosecutor from brooklyn and msnbc legal analyst. so, ali, we heard a little from adam schiff describing wednesday's hearing. new information, new context. but do we have anymore information about what that information or that context might actually be? >> no. look, chris, they have been tight lipped both when they were down in austin where i was watching them talk with reporters about what this committee is going to look like going forward. but they have continued to promise there will be new information presented from old players we have seen at various points in these hearings. we know they are actively fact-finding as well. this has been the story of the january 6th committee the cours

katie hobbs, the -- i believe the attorney general in arizona, she's running for governor.inger willing to campaign for them or at least campaign against their republican opponents because they are anti-democracy republicans. i don't know. that is a question for them. i do think that she's obviously considering running for president in 2024. and she's not going to go away. she's going to keep talking about these issues. but beyond that, i don't know. >> it is interesting. especially report is an important one. it is great to see you, jake. thank you. you could watch the special report american coup, the january 6 investigation, sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >>> still ahead for us at this hour. a 911 call for help with a deadly outcome. the family of a 22-year-old is now demanding accountability. what his parents say happened and what they want now. that is next. backup? no she's totally in charge. of her portfolio and daniel g. she's building a greener future and he's... running a pretend restaurant. and phil? phil has questions, but none of them are about his portfoli

. >> are you going to campaign for katie hobbs as a result of that? >> i'm going to do everything i can to make sure carrie lake is not elected. >> so does that include campaigning for democrats if that's what it takes? >> yes. >> you know the woman who is replacing you in congress? you know her. >> i do. >> yeah what do you think of her? and let me as the question directly, i think i know the answer, will you vote for her? >> no. you know, i -- harriet is a member of the wyoming state bar. and she sworn an oath to the constitution as a member of the wyoming state bar. and she continues to make the assertion that somehow the 2020 election was stolen. and says many of the same things that have resulted in people like rudy giuliani having his license suspended. and i know she knows better. and i think that, you know, there are many people around this country who are making claims they know not to be true. and i don't think anybody should vote for any of them. >> cheney will be back in the spotlight the next january 6 hearings which is scheduled for wedn

for example, in the arizona governor's race, where as katie hobbs the democrat, against kari lake who had gone all in with trump on the idea of the big lichl and cheney piecing this puzzle together in realtime and the last salvo of the committee's work. >> we'll see what happens. thanks so much. appreciate all of you. >>> just hours after donald trump posted a string of q-anon memes and references on his social media account, he doubled down on the group's conspiracy theory movement in front of thousands at his rally in north carolina on friday. vaughn hillyard has been looking into the impact and the former president embracing that movement. and i know you were at the rally and you spoke to a woman who is quite the story. who really says her life has been shattered by the continued promotion of these theories. >> yes, i want everybody to meet her. she is 21 years old a michigan woman. and she though in so many ways represents what a lot of families have gone through, at least from the point of family members going through the rabbit hole of q aknown and isolation and pair nayo, and i

the latest poll republican kerri lake has a arlynearly five-point lead over democrat challenger katy hobbs kerri lake herself at kerrlai i. good to see you.ks v thank you very much for being here.we >> good morning maria. we were very concerned about the got away numbers. 1 million have come in since joe biden took office. o these are the most dangerousheir ones. we do not know what their background as per the could be terrorist, they could be murderous and they are most likely hard-core criminals.th maria:ey officer they have their own intentions for they do not get apprehended so they get away. is i tmanyt true up many of theo tucson? are yogou seeing this in arizon? >> the growth of the tucson sector which really is morane tt half of our statate border.erif i was just talking to the sheriff, marketing channels and he told me 16000 are coming through a month in that sector the tucson sector. justhere last week there were t vehicles two otrf his vehicles damaged by smugglers who crashed into them trying to ge.t away. 300 people have been the victimi of people passing illegally criminals c

she gave the example of katie hobbs who is running against carrie lake in arizona for governor.get rid of her republican title. she is staying with the party at this point. she did say that if donald trump were to become the nominee in 2024, she wouldn't leave the republican party. >> absolutely extraordinary. okay. ali vitale, thank you so much. the potential consequences of the new york state lawsuit against donald trump and three of his children -- could this be the case with the most devastating impact? most devastating impact? (vo) get the new iphone 14 pro on us. right now t-mobile is including apple business essentials so you can easily manage your team's devices. on the network with more 5g coverage. only from t-mobile for business. one bounty versus two of the leading ordinary brand one sheet of bounty absorbs more than two sheets of theirs and the winner is... bounty. one and done. bounty. the quicker picker upper. ice cream is like whooping cough, it's not just for kids. whooping cough is highly contagious for people of any age. and it can cause violent uncontrollable

but katie hobbs is not a good candidate.ou combine that with i think in the state we have economy and border security on our side as an issue. also we lose some of those white suburban voters, but we're gaining latino voters as well. so you have three forces. it counterbalances a lot of that. >> claire, arizona is fascinate when you have -- i do think it's also a libertarian state. there's so many odd cross currents that i think we're going to learn a lot. >> well, you know, maybe not. maybe we'll learn that candidates matter, which is not a new concept. >> fair enough. >> maybe we'll learn that extremes are not healthy for general elections. and i don't think that's a new thing. >> fair enough. >> i think more importantly what we're going to see, and this is what i really do believe, is that will we defy history by having the kind of turnout with the party who holds power and holds the presidency, well we have the kind of turnout that we never have in midterms. that's what everybody should be looking at, i the only saying a

. >> so you going to put campaign for katie hobbs, the democratic governor candidate for governor ine sure that carrie lake is not elected. >> so,, does that include campaigning for democrats if that's what it takes? >> yes. . >> wow. >> yasmin, it's clear that when she says she will do whatever it takes to beat election buyers, including trump, not back in office, it makes sense to hear her say she would campaign for democrats but nonetheless it striking because when you consider the fact that liz cheney is a republican, her voting record is more than 90% with donald trump but it's a reminder that to be a republican right now does not mean to be a conservative in the mold of the cheney's, it is in the mold of the donald trump. she is not that. >> not that you go just yet, because did she talk at all because about whether or not she is going to run for president come 2024 and if her decision is based at all on guidance she is gaining from her former price vice president father? >> certainly she talked about the advice she gets from her father, things like defending the republic or th

views to the voters or defend them at all.that in arizona, democrat all gubernatorial candidate katie hobbss refusing to debates is republican carrie lake, callingn her a conspiracy theorist and even calling off anyr negociate over a debaterist and with her. and in washington state, republican senate candidate tiffany smiley has accepted foda debate invitations against senator patty murraybate. she extended them, but patty murray will not agree to any of them. now, we'll remember this next.mt his time they want us to agree u various presidential debates. tiffany smiley joins me now. tiffany,an are we really to believe that this is all aboutsl scheduling details from senator murray's office? l aboutbecause you've made yourf available on a number of dates,d a number of opportunities for debate. but no, no go so far . >> right. you know, i accepted my first debate four weeks ago. and since then have accepted four more debates. so i have accepted a total ovef four debates with no response from the campaign. i think it's importantfr tomo ne as well that i also accepted an editorial board intervi