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and as keith kellogg said a few minutes ago.he administration has really been behind on all of this. i don't see any diplomacy going on. i was glad to see sullivan in rome talking to his chinese counterpart. that's a step in the right direction. but, as far as the information operation, diplomatic efforts, i will tell you, the united states is really struggling right now. i think that the department of defense sending over the forces to europe, to act as a deterrence and reinforce nato that's a good move and of course the economic sanctions are a good move. right now, you know, putin is trying to create that allusion of a major alliance in a major world war, two nuclear powers are main competitors. >> they are not even taking joe biden's phone calls in moscow so i don't know what kind of diplomacy we expect. and that's a pretty sad situation. all right, general, thank you so much for your expertise, we appreciate it. >> thank you, jesse. >> jesse: all right. so, joe wants you to buy a tesla. but we have some information about th

only at applebee's mark: welcome back our first guest, a great man retired general keith kellogg.re is my problem. i lived through the cold war . i saw how reagan responded and you and the trump administration responded, i hear fear that we'll escalate if we do things that might result in ukraine stopping russia from committing what people now admit are atrocities and war crimes, i am perplexed, no one said we should be sending troops in, we're sending javelin and mobile missile units and stuff, but all of a sudden then line is drawn at old mig 29s? whether people think they are useful or not, if that is what the ukrainian pilots and military think would help, why is the problem? >> mark, good to be with you. look, what it comes down, is intentional fortitude, the ability to have guts to make a hard decision. instead of bringing your hands in a negative manner. the by who is escalating is vladimir putin. he is conducting war crimes, the other day he attacked mariupol and the hospital there, that is a war crime. keep need to stand up and say, that is enough. that is too far, figure

steve: joining me now former national security advisor and general keith kellogg.with somebody a lot of people have been talking about. that is the question of the no-fly zone. president zelensky say no chance if we do that predict americans shooting and so on. i would love you to way and where is the line between a proxy war in the real war. if we are providing equipment to shoot down russian jets and if we're going further than that which is backfilling for polish jets and the deal is being talked about and go to ukraine and someone. where is the line when does it move from a proxy war which were already into a real war? >> thank you for having me, were in a real war right now. when we asked that question this is a combination what i mean by that this is where putin is going to have to go in and try to take kyiv and decapitate the government and get president zelensky. the longer he goes no more it's worse. here is a thought, i understand what that could be saying about no-fly zone and they don't want to use nato because there's five concerns. i've said all along

back to "life, liberty and levin." >> welcome back, general keith kellogg, a question on nuclear issueeally big ones that are accurate and so forth. this is not like we don't have deterrents unless, putin doesn't believe biden is capable of fighting back. in this regard, i want to ask, i don't' to put on the spot. but, i had commander richard kemp on the program last sunday. you may know him, he fought in afghanistan and other places. i mentioned what lindsey graham said we ought to support taking out putin, the people of russia and around him, he was perplexed, he said, i don't understand. why would he be off the table? if you have a man, who has committed war crimes, in the midst of committing genocide, unprovoked. atrocities against little kids and women. if you have a man that is threatening to use nuclear weapons, if he is as crazy as they say, thin why the hell wouldn't we support efforts, not necessarily by us, but efforts to take the guy down? >> mark, you know you are right. if i was vladimir putin right now, i would probably be doubling up by body guards, oligarchs or militar

lieutenant general keith kellogg standing by with analysis and at the white house peter doocy where we'll start with peter. >> and harris, we now know exactly what officials here at the white house want the president to say about all this because we have seen the notes they prepared for him. you can see the sheet in a still photo at the top there is a headline that says tough putin q and a talking points. one of the lines says i was not articulating a change in policy and he said. >> president biden: i want to make it clear i wasn't then or now articulating a policy change. >> another line said i was expressing the moral outrage i felt toward the actions of this man and then he said. >> president biden: i was expressing the moral outrage i feel and make no a fol geese for it. >> it wasn't just the one thing officials had to clarify. i brought him some direct quotes. >> president biden: what is getting walked back? >> in the last couple days it sounded like you told u.s. troops they were going to ukraine, it sounded like you said it was possible the u.s. would use a chemical weapon and it

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lieutenant general keith kellogg thanks so much. >> thanks, brian. >> one of the defining features of era is most america by that i mean that backs americana of the past three decades is over you can see signs of this everywhere consider that according to the wall "the wall street journal" leaders of the uae and denned on washington for their security for decades refuse tossen take phone calls from the american president. >> wow that was cnn warning of a post american era where u.s. is no longer superpower really zelenskyy thinks president isn't doing enough as leader of the world he's made it clear that address to our congress this week -- joining me now former security advisor under president trump hr mcmast we are a ph.d. in history and talks about this challenge of ukraine and russia called battle ground fight to defend free world hey general great to see you are you ready to turn the page and no longer a superpower? >> hey i'm not ready brian and. others have been on for a long time right thisti is our tendeny to self-and willingness to vender leadership of apartment of our elite

future, future of ukraine. >> sean: here with reaction, author of the book "war by other means," keith kelloggn. you know, it seems, victor, that it's not going as planned for vladimir putin, i would argue that targeting civilians is evidence of that. and that would, to me, it would be a window of opportunity. for european countries and the u.s., now that the ukrainians have shown they are not only willing to fight, but they are very capable in their fighting if they are provided the weaponry to win, that this might be a window of opportunity for them to really make a significant gain, because i sense that as vladimir putin gets more and more embarrassed on the world stage, he'll go more and more -- on his way in or out. your thoughts? >> absolutely. i think he's had to pivot, so he's cracking down on internal defense. he is pivoted to medieval war against civilians the way he did in grozny and talking loosely about nuclear warfare and wild threats and that shows he's desperate. things are not getting better and remember, we got this far, the ukrainians did, and the west, with not very many su

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tough days in front of us. >> general keith kellogg, thank you. the general will stand by with us because joining me now is someone that grew up and went to school in mariupol. his parents are stuck in that city. ukraine parliament member demitro goran. thanks for being with us. i want to put up on the screen this stunning image in lviv. they assembled baby carriages to represent the 100 children killed in these attacks. i imagine what happened in mariupol, they need to add strollers to this very poignant tribute to these children, sir. >> we don't know what's going on in mariupol. i think there's much more killed children than the crazeled in lviv because we don't know how many people have been killed. i think the real numbers are like ten times more than was officially published because the 2,500 killed in just the bodies that have been collected on the streets. we don't know about people that died in their apartments. for example, in the house of where i grew up, where my parents live, like seven people died from burns. it's just my parents. we

elizabeth: lieutenant-general keith kellogg, liz peek, thank you for your time.ll stay on the story. more than two million fleeing for their lives. a member of the ukraine parliament in the middle of kyiv as putin bears down. national security pros told us, now this member of parliament saying inside of ukraine they are ready to fight for their nation. she says yes, putin is deliberately targeting for another chernobyl meltdown. he wants that to terrorize europe and that troops are shooting at women and children trying to flee. that is ahead on "the evening edit." >> we used my car and we're drifting refugees out of the burning houses where they were, just trying to flee. you have seen what is happening in mariupol, the city where people were just not let out. putin three types said he will let them out. people are melting snow to get water. children are dying of dehydration and he continues shutting theitie c . blee ng gums, g ilitls 99%ls e lactiact er blee ng gums, g ilitls 99%ls e lactiact forms s antan aacrihid. parodoparopa ivguhealm heshth.wa . an '' 'ee t

. >> dana: fox team coverage general keith kellogg with analysis and reaction.agon. >> officials here say russian president vladimir putin is being taken for a ride and not being kept abreast about the failures of his military inside ukraine which officials here say the war could stretch on for months. >> mr. putin has not been fully informed by his ministry of defense. the fact that he may not have all the context that he may not fully understand the degree to which his forces are failing in ukraine, that's a little discomforting to be honest with you. >> spokesman for putin says both the state department and pentagon don't have the real information what's going on inside the kremlin. retired american generals question how any russian senior officers could keep his job without presenting the facts forhis boss. experts say this is how regimes work. leaders kept in the dark and told things are going well. since the envision began five weeks ago russian mercenaries have arrived in eastern ukraine. active in the middle east and africa including libya and syria. >>

joining me now former national security adviser to the president general keith kellogg. i don't know if what happens if they choke these cities off? becomes the city of the dead. there is no way to get weapons in there? what's the next move? >> well, it's pretty complicated, jesse. thanks for having me. in front of you are watching the schiewfings the russian empire. you are right about what you said earlier. as putin may very well take kyiv, he may very well take ukraine and kill zelenskyy but victory is he going to lose long term. his nation is a pariah nation. war criminal leader. not 10 feet tall. it's 5 feet tall. it's probably vermont now with nuclear weapons. his army is going to be shatter and shattered because of the beam that he is facing. ukrainian people and president zelenskyy who is resolute. and when you look at both of them, it reminds me of a napoleonic material as to one. in war time morale counts, will counts and you are seeing that with president zelenskyy. and seeing that with the ukrainian people. you asked a great question how too we resolve this?

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joining me, general keith kellogg. here is the map. the red is russia. blunt areas ukraine is defending. what concerns you most from the ukrainian perspective? >> first of all, the ukrainians are fighting with incredible courage and leadership starting with zelensky. the russians have stalled out. my concern is they will load up and they will have to go after kyiv. kyiv is the crown jewel. that's the king on the chess board. they have to take kyiv that's the center of government and where zelensky is at. i don't think they can take it without rubblizing it like they did in mariupol and kharkiv. just shell the heck out of it. looking at the map, they are about as extended as they can be. if you go to the map, it looks like he will focus on eastern ukraine, not the west. he doesn't have the troops to move to the west. if he can take kyiv, i am not saying he can, if putin can take it, i think he will say let's call it a day. i own the eastern part of ukraine, you have got western part. that you gives you the sanctuary he wants. but if he doesn't get it, doe

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let's bring in lieutenant general keith kellogg.very and strength and capabilities and talents of the ukrainian military defenses. now we're turning to looking at what is happening within the russian forces. here is a senior unnamed defense official. some of the soldiers in russia are suffering frostbite because they lack the appropriate cold weather gear for the environment they're in in addition to food and fuel in terms of personal equipment for some of their troops, they're having trouble. are you hearing the same? >> yeah, dana. thanks for having me this morning. there are two parts to this. one is morale of the forces you see. you are seeing ukrainians are fighting for something. there is an old napoleon axiom that says morale -- you have to rally your organizations and you have great leadership and clearly the ukrainians do especially with president zelenskyy. they want to find for something. you can see that. the second part of it is leadership. it is clear the leadership of the russians are not providing the troops the supp

joining us keith kellogg former national security advisor to vice president pence general thanks so much for joining us let's get your reaction to bombs against civilians earlier on putin avoid targeting civilians why is he doing it now? >> yeah, lawrence thanks for having me. look, it is pretty simple we're heading into -- act two of multiact play it is probably a tragedy when you look at it. what i mean by that is reach a point to go into the city of kyiv and into bill and probably go back to old soviet style of use of after artillery which wie massive and hard to take down that city and use every weapon he has to do which will include cluster bombs to take down that city of about 3 million. now, in i think americans and rest of the world are going to take a big pause and a city been around for 2,000 years and seat of government of ukraine and try to decapitate government meaning attack it out bring new government in and question will be okay, are we going to continue to let this happen? as a world body, i understand that u.n. no-fly zone i've got it. takes all 30 members to agree to h

and we had on general keith kellogg last night who suggested and i agreed with we should be saying maybeystems or at least the s-300s the russian made batteries. because that way they can intercept these missiles, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, they can shoot down fixed wing aircraft. don't you think we have to get more of those into the country, the stockpile in the ukraine running really low and they are having to ration them in the east. but if we could get some missile batteries, you know, into the capital at least, that could really protect that hostage crisis that we're about to see within the next two weeks or so. >> yeah. two types of defense systems for our audience to understand. there is the stinger missile system and other ones like that. and they go out about 3,000 meters. so that's not very far. and an aircraft has to be fairly low for them to deal with that but it's a very effective weapons system. and when the russian does a lot of gravity bombing, they are not guided by g.p.s. they have to get low. so they're vulnerable. that is a very good system. but when you are

let's get the read from keith kellogg, the former national security adviser under mike pence. general, how significant? nato isn't that important to us. >> well, thanks, neil. before i go, look, i listened to the last segment. i'm an old old field hand. my family's business was in oil. fascinating to listen to your segment. incredibly well-done with the former governor as well. nato is very important. what i'm seeing in this whole thing going forward is all battles, all wars have branches and sequels. there's more branches and sequels in this than i have finger and toes. it goes back to the viability of nato, transference of polish mig 29s and trying to get them in the ukraine. putin overestimating his army and underestimating the ukrainian people. it goes on and on. fascinating to watch, let alone the economic factors with oil. i think what zelensky said is a major shift. he said i don't want to necessarily be a part of nato. that's like an olive branch to putin. we'll see what putin wants to do. putin has been so embarrassed by the role of his military and how it has perform

general keith kellogg knows that already. is he a former national security adviser to president trump and is the author of war by other means. general, let's do an update on where we are at right now as we take a look at the big map here. we see a lot of red, but it is still on the outskirts here. and, you know, it's in a place where we thought if -- talking to you two weeks ago perhaps they have made more progress. overall where we see the blast is where the action is happening. we see kyiv. who is in control of the capital? who is in control of the capital is the ukrainians still. and they got the subway system and i think they feel as though they are not encircled. are they right? >> yeah, brian. it's good to be with you. you are absolutely right. they -- to the south it's still wide open. they have not been able to encircle kyiv at all. you know, i'm sitting here, i think all of us who studied this kind of stuff for years. we are just scratching our head and said it makes no sense. the main attack should have been on kyiv

i want you to listen to general keith kellogg and react. sxwloo let's give ukraine a chance to win. it will reset the entire world not just europe. because the chinese will pay attention and north koreas will pay attention and iranians will pay attention. we have a chance probably once in a lifetime to reset the stage because i think the russians are on their heels. they are on their heels because nobody thought ukraine could do what they're doing. >> iran and china will pay attention to this. what message send to china and iran? >> we should be sending the message that we respond to russia's if then statements and stand by and do nothing. i think the general is right in saying we could reset the stage as to what iran is doing with nuclear weapons, threatening the entire gulf states and israel. what china is doing with taiwan and the list goes on. we can reset that if we're strong and enable -- i think if we reverse engineer it and tell russia and vladimir putin no matter how long it takes, three weeks, three months, three years, this is how it ends for him he is out of power, russi

articulate today and this is something that many military analysts that we've talked to including keith kelloggwe have spoken to, that he didn't articulate the support for ukraine to pull a victory out of this. they talk about what they're going to do to putin in terms of sanctions. he had that strange comment about responding in kind to a chemical weapons attack. they talked about you have to give this time and also the bizarre statement that sanctions were neverment to deter anybody because in the lead up to the invasion that's all anybody from the white house was saying, that they were meant to deter people. there's not a clear strategy to help ukraine win, which makes people wonder did president biden think that russia was going to roll over ukraine in a couple days and be dealing with a puppet government in kiev and how to deal with that? they never planned for the fact that this brave ukrainian resistance would rise up and come close to a stalemate if not maybe being on the way to driving the russian forces back. >> martha: indeed. let's pull up this other poll. the president's approval o

the hundreds of pages, it was very dense, a lot of transcripts, you see who they've talked to -- keith kellogglose to the former president. it gives you a sense even though there was much hay made, rightfully so, of the people stone walling the committee, they have clearly gotten people to comply and to give them what they need to tell this narrative. now, on the eastman front of this, i do want to point out that while we're talking about this filing that effectively pushes to compel eastman to turn over documents, which he's saying are attorney client privilege, but as joyce and harry have plaid out pertain to a crime fraud exemption sh which says effectively you can't explicitly seek out a lawyer to do crime, the committee is arguing that's the intention that trump brought to his interactions with eastman. eastman's lawyer, for his part, is saying, and this is a quote, "like all attorneys, dr. john eastman has a responsibility to protect client center fielded even at great personal risk and expense. the select committee has responded to dr.'sman's efforts to discharge this responsibility by

general keith kellogg coming up next.ger. only at applebee's pete: we're back with a fox news alert. four americans, unfortunately, confirmed dead after a u.s. military aircraft crashes during an overnight nato training exercise in norway. the military drills were reportedly unrelated to the russian invasion, but surrounding nato countries, of course, keeping a close watch as moscow claims to be stepping up its deadly attacks on ukraine. they are. retired general keith kellogg is a fox news contributor and former national security adviser to vice president pence. he joins us now. general, first of all, your reaction to these training exercises that, unfortunately, i believe it was an osprey helicopter that went down in bad weather, but nato is making preparations right now should this war widen. >> yeah, pete, thanks for having me. look, you know very well when you get involved in exercises in the military, you generally operate if many some extreme levels meaning in the middle of the night, in tough weather, tough condit

you have this convoy that, for god sakes, keith kellogg is right, why weren't we arming ukraine withter weapons? if they had the a-10 or hugs they should be sitting ducks taken out that would not be able to go to kyiv. but you know what's going to happen, they are going to create a ring of steel with these tanks surrounding kyiv at they're just going to blast it. they don't care about -- >> sean: let me just ask -- this is i think a logical question because if that 40-mile convoy makes it to kyiv, to me, the only outcome is going to be a massacre. i hope and pray i'm wrong but that's what i believe will happen. so my question is, you have even google satellite images, we know where this convoy is, we know they've been there now for, what, two days, they haven't moved. why has there been no effort at all to take out that convoy? and i'm not saying by the u.s., but i'm saying by ukraine. i know we have armed them with javelins. apparently europe is also sending javelins and stinger missiles, why are they using it? >> that's the very question i asked to the intelligence community. as yo

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general keith kellogg, congressman mike gallagher, "the faulkner focus" top of the hour. >> dana: foxffice and allegedly this shows shelling of a maternity ward, maternity hospital. you can see, bill, if you look here as the person holding the camera goes through this hospital you can see right here i think you will see the cot for the little ones. >> bill: devastating stuff to look at. this town has been -- it's been under siege for more than a week. it is a town of 450,000 people, far right of your screen there. they say at least 200,000 want to get out. imagine that. we talked about the red cross a couple of times this morning. the international red cross is trying to get in there. they need everything. they need medicine. they haven't had electricity for 10 days. it is freezing there. there is no phone service. the other day the a.p. was describing people walking through the streets talking to strangers, dana, and asking them where they live and if they had any association to so and so who knew so and so that might tell them whether or not their relatives were still alive. mariupo

let's go to lieutenant-general keith kellogg, served his country very noble.ays love him on, steps back, looks at the big picture. general, great to see you again. as you know, general, leaders of czech republic, slovakia, romania, i apologize, will be in kyiv today to represent three nato nations that can be a prickly event. how do you think it will go? >> yeah, neil, thanks for having me. i think it is a great -- it will go well and i think it's a great idea, i'm glad they're doing especially president duda of poland, because such a key ally as well. it is cosmetic. i'm not trying to degrade anything they're trying to do but zelenskyy needs a military kit. we talked about the fighters president duda was willing to give, 29 mig, the 29 mig-29s he is willing to transfer to them, that is not coming because president biden shut it down. we'll not have a no-fly zone. that is given. coming out of nato, there is russian system, nest 300, in three nato countries in slovakia, romania and greece. we could bring those forward. what would help zelenskyy not necessarily

general keith kellogg, jason rantz, "the faulkner focus" top of the hour. >> dana: police in florida breakers in panama city beach over the weekend. it was enough to equip a small army. florida is scrambleling to contain out of control spring break chaos in several vacation hot spots. >> trace: don't like that. education advocates turning their attention to a school district in wisconsin, it may be the worse violator of parental rights. comparing the eau claire area school district policies. ian prior. last year during the eau claire school district development day they shared this slide saying remember, parents are not entitled to know their kids' identities, gender identities, that knowledge must be earned. you have to earn the right to know the gender of your kid? what's going on here. >> it's an all-out assault on parental rights in eau claire, wisconsin. we through american first legal put out is several of the documents that we've seen in teacher trainings. that was one area that you saw. also something posted bay teacher on the wall that said if your parents don't accept your

. >> john: bring in lieutenant general keith kellogg, former national security adviser to vice president, senator american security, touch screen, general. the overview of ukraine and we can see the amount of red on the screen that represents the areas under russian control is beginning to increase. potentially here down in the south of the country, where forces coming up from crimea have taken the city of kherson, and moving toward mariupol in the northeast, mariupol, according to the deputy mayor, under bombardment for some 26 hours. and apparently reports of fighting in and around the area of enerhodar, where the biggest nuclear power plant in all of europe, and general, as far as we know, the plan for russian forces would be to sort of hook west and then west/southwest to surround the city of odesa, that would give them control of the entire black sea coast of ukraine. what kind of an advantage would that give them as they then try to move on through the rest of the country here? >> john, thanks for having me. odesa is important, the third largest city and if they take that, they hav

retired general keith kellogg, fox news contributor, the idea of the migs.are an offensive weapon and the idea of a fighter jet being an offensive weapon, yeah, could be offense if you are to fly it into russia and bomb russia, but if you use it in contiguous boundaries of your own country, is that offensive or defensive weapon? >> i think -- it, john, it's a defensive weapon of their own country and they need the migs. increase, 28, 29 of them, increases the air force by one-third and gives them the reason i like the mig idea, some other ideas, this creates problems for the russians. and you want to a fighter, you want to give more problems to your opponent than he can solve at a time. and when you have them on the heels, and they are on their heels, you want pressure on them. slight pressure, heavy pressure, this is a way to put pressure on them. ok, they are coming in with migs and then the s300s, and slovakia wants to give 300s. he has a problem. >> john: and here in the capital city of kyiv and the surrounds, that russia has been trying to move in on th

. >> john: former general keith kellogg, co-chairman of the american first policy for american security. all the talk, general, this afternoon has been this appeal that zelenskyy has made to nato to commit to a no fly zone over ukraine, which basically, the color blue, because nato is known as the blue force, that would basically make all of this an area north of crimea, where russian planes could not fly. what the nato secretary general said about it. we are not part of this conflict and have a responsibility to ensure it does not escalate and spread beyond ukraine. we understand the desperation but we also believe if we did that, a no fly zone, we would end up with something that could lead to a full-fledged war in europe involving much more countries and much more suffering. general, you say there is a way to do it, how. >> i think there is, and i think we are walking into act two of a greek tragedy, and that act two will start with the russians going into the major build-up areas, primarily kyiv, a city of 3 million and you are going to see street to street fighting, a lot of casual

sandra is back with us again, and let's bring in general keith kellogg, former national security advisoro vice president pence. a couple times you shook your head like he was not saying enough. >> john, thanks for having me. sounded like i was in a college campus listening to a professor speak. this should not be about nato unity, while it's important, this is about ukraine and ukraine is winning the fight, the russians are stalemated, let's figure out a way to let this new sparta, ukraine, win the fight. and they can. we just have to give them the support they need. they have asked for things we have not given them the mig 29th, given them that, create the iron dome over western ukraine with the s300s. so we go to the nato countries, three of them that have them and replace those with patriots right away, put them in there. we say to them ok, we are going to give you the switch blade six hundreds, not the three hundreds, because they have javelin on them, and give them intelligence. exquisite intelligence gathering. we did it when i was involved in bosnia, underneath the table, but we d

. >> john: bring in retired general keith kellogg, just talk briefly, general, about what jennifer wastalking about. here is the dnipro river, comes down like that, and empties into the black sea. there was that airstrike in the town of dnipro which is just north of the area, controlled by russian forces here. that is a major manufacturing city, major industrial city. kharkiv is well up here ern the north, has been surrounded by russian forces as well and there are inevitably continuing the move here on a number of fronts into kyiv. what stage do you think we are in in this invasion now? >> john, thanks. i think we are heading toward the culminating event, the taking of kyiv. and i said a couple weeks ago to you and sandra, i thought he would work to the east of dnipro, john kirby kind of said almost all his forces are committed. that means he has to stay to the east, which is about 90% russian speaking, not supporting, and then over to the west part, about 10%. so that's hostile territory where he's going and the airstrikes were intended to take out his air fields so the mig-29s are n

listen to what general keith kellogg says about vladimir putin's strategy. >> they've not been able to near odessa, the key to the whole fight is neutralizing the government of zelenskyy and taking the capital city and he has done neither. i think he is in plan c. we will let's bring in kyiv territorial defense member, can you give us a status report? i believe you placed the city under a will curfew. >> will curfew so we are going to identify any groups that are russian groups trying to make the city unsafe as well. moments ago we heard in the city huge explosions. we cannot say exactly what it is but in the past four days, every day we hear the sound of explosions, russian rockets have landed on the soil of the city of kyiv which is the target of the russian army. stuart: how much food do you have left? >> as long as the city is circled, we are fine but we definitely need medical support, humanitarian support, not to forget. we need to defend our country and we need military equipment. stuart: how are the supplies getting through. kyiv is not completely encircled. is there a small ar

general keith kellogg joins me.pons, now that surely be a really big escalation. >> yeah, stuart thanks for having me. yeah, it would, because when you start going to chemical biological or nuclear warfare you've changed the whole game and i think it be very very concerning to all of us if that was used. i think he might use something like that only because he is able to control it. he wants to be able to control the escalation, if you go to nuclear that is a huge escalation and remember the philosophy is escalate to de escalate so blinken, to his credit, has called him out, on his false flag and really, it be hard to blame the ukrainians because they talk about these labs they've got. those are not chemical weapons labs they are bsl-3 level labs, not bsl-4 level labs and bsl-4 level labs are where you have the bad pathogens to train with employee think and use them. stuart: what is the strategic importance of russia attacking lviv, as they've started to now? >> yes, stuart, psychological. they want to, they said th

general keith kellogg came up with this. >> i kind of understand what everybody is saying about, youyou made this a united nations no-fly zone? and there are ways to actually get there. you don't have to work hard diplomatically to do it. you get the whole world on you. we have got make it so hard on putin, so hard on the russians they have got stop. >> brian: what about that the feasibility of that? >> well, i mean i worry about any kind of no-fly zone because in the end, it means you are shooting down russian aircraft. and i think once you start -- we went through the whole cold war and we were pretty careful on both sides, russians didn't kill americans, americans didn't kill russians even though at the margins things went on but we never got into a direct overt fight like that. they got 6,000 nuclear weapons. and i think it's a lot better to crowd putin day after day. i think there is a brand new book out by her man perchner called post putin and it walks through the ways in which putin could disappear. and i think the longer this fight goes on in ukraine, the weaker putin is goi

let's bring in keith kellogg fox news contributor.ional security adviser for vice president pence and key adviser to president trump. first off, general, your response to the fact that when in trouble we give poland's missile defense? we never gave ukraine missile defense and we can't find a way to get the 1980s migs into ukrainian hands. >> yeah, brian, thanks for having me. this makes sense for them to get the fighters. mig 29 fourth generation fighter. the pols have 29 of them. make sense to me give them somehow. be creative how you give it to them. off united states the need for a no-fly zone from nato or from the u.n. or anybody else. can you actually team these aircraft up. even though it would be a little bit shall we say creative. team them up with awax put themmen in the nato frequency because they are going to be equipped with nato radios as well because nato ally and be able to cover the at least the western part of ukraine. so i don't know why we are doing this it almost seems like we are rubbing our hands in a negative ma