peter baker and ken vogel, thank you for starting us off. congratulations on your paper's reporting on this story. >>> after the break, rudy giuliani as we talked about steps in it again. this time on the question of truthiness and on russian collusion in the trump tower meeting . >>> also ahead prosecutors are about to charge the president's former fixer, michael cohen, with bank fraud and campaign finance violations. can he still save himself by flipping on the president? we'll bring you the latest. >>> and john brennan versus donald trump round two as the president's rhetoric against the former cia director heats up. former intelligence and military luis palomi luminaris rush to brennan's defense. all those stories next. how do you win at business? stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com this wi-fi is fast. start i know! today. i know! i know! i know! when did brian move back in? b

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that is something that is catnip for his critics, particularly. >> ken vogel, the "new york times." happy belated birthday, ken. and thank you very much for your time as well. >>> up next, the interview. what's the real objective of the trump legal team's negotiations with the mueller team over a possible sitdown with the president of the united states? >>> welcome back. i'm david gura. we're looking at live pictures of washington, d.c., right now as white supremacists, winhite nationalists make their way to lafayette park, just north of the white house for a protest that's scheduled to start at 5:30 eastern time. as we have heard from my colleagues throughout the hour, just roughly two dozen of them boarded that train in vienna in northern virginia to make their way to washington, d.c. they disembarked in foggy bottom, where the george washington university is headquartered and made their way down that sort of half mile stretch between there and the white house. they're now taking their position inside that seven-acre park. they will be joined by other protests, counter protests, th

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our encounter intelligence who have worked for robert mueller, ken vogel and white house reporter for politico who has been busy today, annie, for reasons we'll get to. frank, what do you make and more importantly what will robert mueller and his team make of the president's co-counsel on the radio today? >> there is only one conclusion that i am able to draw from this onslaught of the last several days of public appearance of two guys posti guys posing as lawyers and trying to get some air time. why do i say that? this is becoming an all out preparation of the battleground for the public minds and hearts in anticipation of what they seemed to believe are going to be article for impeachment. there is no other way to explain how they're taking air ways and doing all of this and the issue of entities allowing partisan political hacks to take over the air waves as we are several weeks away from midterm elections is something that actually the fcc should be looking into. they're preparing for impeachment and they're trying to win hearts and minds. >> ken, they did so, i imagine not being

ken vogel, political reporter for the "new york times," who has not. and andy carney, white house reporter for politicalo, who has been busy today for reasons we will get to. so frank, let's begin with you. what do you make, and more importantly what will robert mueller and his team make of the president's co-counsel on the radio today? >> there is only one conclusion that i am able to draw from this onslaught now in the last several days of just public appearances by two guys posing as lawyers, trying to get their client some air time. and that is that they seem increasingly convinced that we're headed toward impeachment proceedings. why do i say that? because this has become completely an all-out preparation of the battleground for the public mind and heart in anticipation of what they seem to believe are going to be articles for impeachment. there's no other way to explain how they're taking over the airwaves and doing all of this. and the issue of supposed journalistic entities, allowing partisan political hacks to take over the airwaves as we are

joining me now, "new york times" political reporter ken vogel, co-author of a comprehensive piece on the rise and fall of paul manafort. and if one has lost focus on this story, do you want to know what this is all about, ken, the story is excellent. after ten days the prosecution has rested. in your opinion how successfully have they presented the evidence as part of a narrative of manafort as a greedy, desperate man? >> they've been extremely effective, ali. and you put a good frame on it. this is not about russia. this is not about collusion. this is not about trump's campaign. this isn't even about unregistered foreign lobbying, though there will be a trial on that last point coming up next month in the d.c. circuit unless manafort strikes some kind of deal. this is strictly about bank fraud and tax fraud that was precipitated, the prosecution says, by manafort's desperate financial straits and they really laid out in painstaking evidence just how he went from making $60 million from these ukrainian oligarchs and the pro-russian political party that they backed to being bankrupt a

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joining me now, one of the authors of that article, "new york times" political reporter ken vogel. for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> so you lay out in this very detailed account the financial troubles that paul manafort was in when he came on to the trump campaign. does the fact that he was able to have such a high ranking role suggest that there wasn't a vetting process going on? >> i mean, it's just one of many data points that proves definitively that there was absolutely no vetting process going on and it wasn't just the debt, it was that he had had these close relationships with people who had very close ties to russia, which is part of the reason why his trial has been so explosive and has really perpetuated the story line about trump and russia and possible collusion despite the fact that within the four corners of the case there is not anything specifically about his work on the trump campaign or any relationship with russia, nonetheless, it has really given the trump team headaches and has been thus far at least looking like it will head towards robert mueller's

let's bring in ken vogel. this is part of what omarosa manigault-newman told me yesterday. >> i am going to go toe to toe with him, believe me, my tapes are better than theirs. >> you will release more tapes? >> if i need to. i will do whatever i have to do to protect myself. >> the recordings that have not been released and omarosa claims that she has. >> extremely concerned, craig. my source is telling me that there are a number of folks who had kind of clash with omarosa who was not the easiest person to get along with and they are concerned that she may have motivation to tape them during this extended period where she was in the white house and had access of the highest level including the president. you don't need insider sources to see how concerned trump is. you look at his twitter feed and it has been a steady of omarosa attack with a few issues sprinkled in with the turkey prisoner swap to the trade war with china but a lot more focus of omarosa, that's an indication of omarosa of how bothered he is

more on all of this, i'm joined by the former white house chief of staff for president clinton, and ken vogeltical reporter for the "new york times," as well as annie and josh, who stuck around to discuss this all with me. ken, i want to start with you, something you write about in your piece in the "new york times." you write, omarosa's willingness to slowly deploy the tapes for maximum effect is straight from mr. trauump's playbook. yesterday on our air, she acknowledged everything she's doing is really part of the art of the deal. is she basically beating the president at his own game right now? >> yeah, to some extent. i mean, she is really a creation of him. that's one of the things that gets him most about what he sees as this betrayal. he feels he created her, and that she owes him. that gets at his sense of loyalty, which is one of his key sensibilities, one of the pet peeves that bothers him most when offended. even though, we should say, he hasn't necessarily always shown that same level of loyalty to the folks around him. additionally, he doesn't like it when people are seen as mak

and "new york times" political reporter ken vogel. thanks to all of you for being here. let me read the tweet one more time, then i want your reaction, michael. >> okay. >> president trump calling omarosa a dog, saying when you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break, and give her a job at the white house, i guess it just doesn't work out. good work by general kelly for quickly firing that dog. the president has referred to mitt romney and other people as a dog, but what does it mean when he uses it in this context? >> it means a lot because it touches on so many things that are stereotypes throughout history, when you're talking about a black female, and using that kind of language. you know, put it up there with referring to maxine waters as dumb and so forth. again, it is how the president talks. it is not something we necessarily should accept from the president. i think we really have to start drawing some lines as a public and as american citizens about the behavior of this president and this white house. >> draw the lines. republicans don't seem to be speaking out f

. >> ken vogel, fantastic reporting by you and your team there at "the new york times." i read every word. you certainly do learn a lot even for as much as we thought we knew about paul manafort. thank you so much for joining us today. really appreciate it. >> thank you, kristen. >>> and thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live but stay right there because right now more news with my colleagues ali velshi and stephanie rulhle. >> kristen, thanks so much. have yourself a great day. we'll catch up with you. i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. monday, august 13th. let's jump into our top story. >> we have an exclusive interview with omarosa manigault newman. she recorded her own firing by chief of staff john kelly. we'd like to play it for you now unedited in full. >> hi. >> hi there. >> my assistant. >> could you close the door? >> sure. >> hi. >> i'm only going to stay for a couple of minutes. these are lawyers. we've got to talk to you about leaving the white house. it's come to my attention over the last few months that there's been some pretty, in my opinion,

this all started or got prompted by ken vogel, a "new york times" reporter overhearing john dowd andtalking in a restaurant in d.c. about the case last fall in september 2017 and them talking about mcgahn and saying mcgahn doesn't want to cooperate as extensively as we do. he wants to talk about executive privilege, and then saying that mcgahn has papers hidden away in a safe. so "the times" reports that mcgahn and his attorneys took that to mean he was seriously legally liable here, that the president could put him in some real legal jeopardy, so he went in and told them absolutely everything. do you think the president fully understood or his legal team fully understood what mcgahn was going in to do here, that it was really them saying, oh, we have nothing to hide? >> well, first of all, we don't really know if the conversation between cobb and dowd that was reported in "the times" really was the motivating factor for mcgahn. it's hard for me to believe that he would have gone in against the opposition of cobb and dowd. here's what i think really went on. ty cobb and john dowd tho