and kenny g. went to a congressman who said, "well, you know, i do believe in the arts, but i'm just not going to vote for the n.e.a." and kenny looked right at him and said, "well, that's not very courageous, is it?" it's terrific. i have to believe that taking the job on at the national endowment for the arts required a couple of strong personality traits. one would be confidence; another would be courage. and as i look through the book, i looked for examples of those traits popping up early in your career. and the one event that you really only devote about a paragraph to-- but i was sort of stunned by your courage--was, you're at the white house; and you look across the room, and you see someone you decide you want to dance with. and you approached. [laughs] fred astaire. i asked fred astaire to dance. it's incredible courage. and what happened then? i don't think it takes a lot of courage. it just takes chutzpah. i--he turned me down. but the good thing was that shortly thereafter, the presid

his name is kenny g, the saxophone player. >> larry: oh, wow. >> kenny referred to nick let sheridan, whoopi goldberg, 22 years ago. >> larry: that's how long you've been doing this? >> yeah. >> larry: do you continue ever to train them after puppies? brush-up sessions? >> there's no need if the owner is keeping it up because what it is is turning it into a life style where it's not like concentrated. it is like the way you eat. you cannot eat healthy for a week and then binge and be healthy. same with a dog. you cannot love your kids or spouse 15 minutes in the morning and night. it is a part of your life. >> larry: okay. what's -- the goal in training a -- do you ever hit a dog? >> every day. never! ever. >> larry: never hit a dog? >> never, ever would you ever hit a child? >> larry: what about a dog made doody in the house, put the nose in it and hit them? >> absolutely not and the reason is you don't have a problem with the dog doing his duty but the location. so by you putting -- sticking the nose in his mess, you are not conveying what your issue is and what happens unfortunatel

a week later, my guy, the grammy, gets the grammy and becomes a huge success, kenny g, the saxophone player and he referred me to nick let sheridan, whoopi goldberg, many, many clients. that's 22 years ago. >> >> larry: that's how long you've been doing this. >> yes. >> larry: you train them at puppies. do you do brush-up sessions? >> no need if the owner keeps it up because i'm turning it into a lifestyle where it's not like concentrated. it's how you eat. you can't eat healthy for a beat, byng and be healthy. the same with a dog. like a relationship. you cannot love your spouse and kids 15 minutes in the morning and 15 minutes at night. it becomes a part of your life. >> larry: okay. what's -- the goal in training, do you ever hit a dog? >> every day. never. >> larry: never hit a dog. >> never ever. would you ever hit a child, ever hit a spouse. >> larry: how about if your dog made doody in the house and you put their nose in it and -- >> absolutely not. you don't have a problem with the dog doing hissy but with the location but with you putting the nose in the measure not conveyin