in kevin mccarthy. in all of these people.ng there and there were a house chairman like john dingell, senate chairman, senate leaders, house leaders, the male eagle was a very powerful force. and a president who kind of tripped over that with some of those people could face a very serious resistance even within his own party. but donald trump seemed to make the mail ego simply disappear from republicans in the house in the senate. >> as you know, lawrence, i am neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist. so, it's very hard, from a distance, to read into those egos. but it's not hard to read into their motivations. and i think that what barack obama clip that you played, the key words were when they know better. and i think what's really disturbing in the republican party is not actually the crazy, right wingers who will do anything donald trump will see. what's really disturbing in the party is not just that they've given there egos, they let their egos get crushed. but they let their consciences get crushed in the name of powe

we're going to find out what house republican tolerance is for this kind of lying by kevin mccarthy. and as far as they might be trail of donald trump. >> that's the other part of it. i mean how do you think that trump is going to respond to hearing on tape cover mccarthy say i'm going to tell there's got to resign. and to hear, from the same reporters, in the same shop for the book, the mcconnell was sort of gleefully saying yeah the democrats are going to get rid of that s.o.b. for us. >> i mean already, trump and mcconnell is pretty, there's a lot of friction there, but with mccarthy, trying to a set of the speakership. and now trump having this on his plate. i mean, i wouldn't bet on it. >> and many more tapes to come. >> yeah. amazing. >> whatever night. thank you rachel, very much. >> thanks lawrence. >> will kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell have the same title. minority leader. one has detail minority leader of the house representatives dave has the title minority leader of the u.s. state senate. but we must never use their titles again. because their titles are ally. they ar

speaker of the house at the time was republican paul ryan, kevin mccarthy was the number two republican in the house under the speaker, the majority leader, he is the one who reportedly said i think putin pays trump. now, at the time mr. mccarthy reportedly made those comments, donald trump wasn't just, you know, one of the 17 different republicans who was running in the presidential primary that year, he wasn't just a random candidate among them all, it was clear by the time those comments were made by mr. mccarthy that trump was going to win the nomination. by the time mccarthy said that, "i think putin pays trump," trump had basically cleared the field of the other competitors, he was just a month away from formally clinching the nomination. so for that reason alone, this headline was kind of a double take thing. stunning. that one of the top guys in leadership, one of the most powerful elected officials in the republican party, was going around saying out loud, at that time, that he was pretty sure that this guy who was about to get the republican nominee for president, he was on pu

not with trump does not trust kevin mccarthy. s the apparent until somebody else emerges. what i found most fascinating about the events of this week, when they go to the entire gop caucus, ayman, because it's this. the entire gop conference knows, that kevin mccarthy has been lying to the nation for the last year. because they were on that call on january 11th, or january 12th, whenever it happened. and we heard kevin mccarthy say one thing in private, and saw him say something else to the american people. and i think that's an indictment of the anti republican conference, but it also speaks to why donald trump is willing to continue to elevate kevin mccarthy, until somebody steps in his stance. look, given mccarthy was born, believing it was gonna be speaker of the house. and nothing will stop him, but for one person, who is donald trump. if donald trump would withdraws his support of kevin mccarthy, he lose his second speakership, the first happened in 2015, the next one could happen next january. >> and here is the most dishea

can kevin mccarthy make peace? mccarthy spoke to trump last night.ason to try to say, whoops. we'll get more into that. i want to listen to more of this audio. this is what kevin mccarthy talked about. people are in a very different position now. back then in the days just after the insurrection, kevin mccarthy, donald trump, i'm done with him. >> all right. i know this is not fun. i know this is not great. very tough. but what i want to do especially through here is -- i don't want to rush things. i want everybody to have all the information needed. i have had it with this guy. what he did is unacceptable. nobody can defend that, and nobody should defend it. >> i've had it with this guy. >> i've had it with this guy. that was a moment in which, you guys detail, not just kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, said, look, the democrats have the votes to impeach him again for post-election conduct and maybe we should be part of that. maybe we should be part of getting rid of trump. but they blinked. >> on that very call you have kevin mccarthy talking about

we begin "the reidout" are the sick republican party led by trump puppet kevin mccarthy. that twist comes in the form of audio recordings confirming how kevin really felt about trump in the days after the january 6th insurrection. just yesterday mccarthy denied a "new york times" report saying he was among republicans who thought trump should resign over his role in the capitol attack. hours after that flatout denial, we heard mccarthy saying exactly what the "new york times" excerpt of a new book said what he said. in an audio recording heard for the first too many on ""the rachel maddow show" last night. kevin, heard of audio recordings? that ultimately brought down the nixon presidency. they're a thing. this damming one we heard occurred days after trump supporters stormed the capitol. it was a conversation between mccarthy and republican leadership team including representative liz cheney ousted from party leadership weeks later over her opposition to trump. >> but what i think i'm going to do is i'm going to call him. this is what i think. it will pass the house. i th

that is what exactly happened to republican lawmaker kevin mccarthy. s reported that mccarthy told republicans in the days after january six that he would ask from about resigning. he called the times report, false and wrong. a spokesperson said mccarthy never said he'd call trump to say he should resign. but, as we reported exclusively last night, the two journalist behind a reporting had the receipts. >> liz, you on the phone? >> yeah, i'm here. thanks kevin, i guess there's a question. when we're talking about the 25th amendment resolution -- >> yeah. >> you ask what happens if it gets there after you're gone? is there any chance are you hearing that he might resign? is there any reason to think that may have been? >> i've had a few discussions. my gut tells me no. i'm seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight. i haven't talked to him in a couple days. again, the only discussion i would have with him is that i think this will pass, and it would be my recommendation you should resign. >> sounds like the new york times reporting w

neither donald trump nor kevin mccarthy have issued any kind of statement, well donald trump has issued one tonight, but the two reportedly did speak today. get this, nbc news reports that mccarthy called trump to repel justice for what he said on the recording. he told trump that he did not actually mean it, and that he was just telling liz cheney what she wanted to hear. according to the washington post, donald trump reportedly told his kevin that he is not upset, in fact he is glad that his kevin had never falter and asked to resign. the post reports that trump interpreted this as a sign of his continued grip on the republican party. according to the post, other house republicans are waiting for marching orders from trump, any kind of smoke single about how he might feel about kevin mccarthy. so they can decide whether to support him for speaker, if republicans win the house in november, or ditch in for a more pro trump member of congress. as i mentioned, the former president has now spoke to the washington journal about the phone call in reporting that just came out. donald trump co

if i were kevin mccarthy, i would be exceedingly concerned that somebody in my leadership was taping did say a sliver of this publicly in the wake of the january 6th attacks. he said that members of congress should not be talking about other members of congress, targeting other members of congress, because somebody could get hurt. so he did say some of this. he did not publicly single out people by name, and that's important. and here's the problem, nicole. the congressional leadership doesn't really have a mechanism to crack down on this behavior because when mccarthy cracks down on this behavior, the people that are behaving like this then use it to their advantage and say, they're trying to silence me. my leadership's trying to silence me. and then they go raise a couple million bucks off it. so this behavior is actually rewarded in a sick and perverse way. so, what is he going to do? what does mccarthy -- and i'm not defending him by any stretch, but we've seen examples here. he, you know, marjorie taylor greene was kicked off committees, not by mccarthy, but what did that do? it

but i don't know. >> now, hours before this audio was released, kevin mccarthy's office actually denied reports that he ever spoke like this about trump. and then, i guess you're probably asking, well why did he do after it was released. silence. neither mccarthy nor his office has said a word publicly. and trump has played down the comments in an interview with the wall street journal. so kevin mccarthy was basically saying one thing in private and then saying something come something completely different in public. and i know that might shock so, it might not come as a big surprise that -- honestly, it's a standard for american politicians. some would say. but we're talking about a deadly insurrection here that the former president and his allies helped stoke. when push came to shove, and kevin mccarthy could've done the right thing, and help kick trump's political career to the curb once and for all as he seemed to want to do in private, as we just heard there, he actually caved. he caved and he almost singlehandedly rehabilitated donald trump's political career shortly thereafter be

she's heard this kevin mccarthy. >> yeah. she's heard the evolution of mccarthy from how he was talking that day, how he was talking on those other calls. when he was talking about donald trump, and to how he's speaking now, and you know, she's probably frustrated. she's very frustrated. she was a leader in the republican party and she's now a pariah. she's been pushed out, like you said and purged from the party. this whole thing is really fascinating. you hear there that mccarthy is telling folks to watch what they say. they have not listened to him, right? for the past year and some change we have seen some of the republicans that he's even talking about matt gaetz on louie gohmert, mel brook, continue to say things about liz cheney and about other republicans, rhinos that they say, but also folks on the democratic side. folks not in congress, things that he talked about himself because he was so worried. he has not publicly castigated those people in any way, and i think what we're seeing as people basically forgive him af

not that this is excuse for what kevin mccarthy and others are doing. but dana is it as simple as autism as it was that kevin mccarthy and others knew and know that this would have been the unraveling of the party and the unraveling of trumpism had they agreed that what happened on january 6th was the ultimate in basically treason-like behavior from members of the republican party? >> well, there are a lot of republicans i talked to who argue that those two questions are very, very different. and the fact that they didn't diverge, the question of the end of trumpism and the end of the republican party, that that could have been something that kevin mccarthy helped push along. yes, if kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell and most of the other republican leaders stood up and stayed with the fact that that was wrong and that trump did -- was part of the reason why that happened, which we now know he has said in private and he said in private realtime, then that could have helped to cut off the oxygen, not all of it, but some of the oxygen to trump and trumpi

so kevin mccarthy going on this trip is a way to kind of change the subject.e saying, don't do this right now, mr. president. you're going to hurt me in my district. i have enough problems, but they, you know, democrats are complaining and republicans are going down there to sort of put it out front for voters. >> good to see you, gloria. >> good to see you. >>> coming up for us, a big win for french president emanuel macron and the reaction from president biden after macron beats the odds. live details f from paris, next. psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen, painful. emerge tremfyant®. tremfya® is approved to help reduce... joint sympto in adults with active psoriatic arthritis. serious allergic reactions y occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. emerge tremfyant® with tremfya®... ask you doctor about tremfya® today. wayfair's biggest sale of the year is way day. shop outdoor furniture up to 65% off... rug

was among those that he was very critical of in these leaked audiotapes, being very critical of kevin mccarthyesting that he is not a real leader. so even though at this point it seems as though most of the republican conference remains behind mccarthy, there are still signs of cracks leading up to these midterm elections, and it still could play a role in whether or not he's able to retain the speaker's gavel should republicans win the majority in the fall. >> ryan, there's a response now from congressman perry about your reporting from his text messages that he sent to mark meadows leading up to january 6th. what's he saying? >> yeah, that's right, victor. let's first show one of those text messages to show what he's responding to. this is one of the text messages from our report. he says to mark meadows november 12th from an intel friend, dni to immediately seize and begin looking for international comms related to dominion. was china malware involved? what's interesting about this is this is scott perry leaning into a conspiracy theory of which there was not any hard evidence remitted to.

it is a conversation between kevin mccarthy and liz cheney.sten. >> i am here, thank you. are you hearing he might resign? any reason to think that might happen? >> my gut tells me no. i am seriously thinking about having that conversation with him tonight, i have not talked to him in a couple of days. from what i know of him, and you know him, do you think he would back away? what i think i'm going to do is call him. the only discussion i would have with him is i think this will pass and it would be my recommendation to resign. that would bmy take but i don't think he will take it, but i don't know. amna: you've been talking with republican forces -- sources, including lawmakers. what are they telling you? lisa: this is the opposite of what kevin mccarthy's own spokesperson said yesterday, that he never said he would ask president trump resign. there are a couple of players to this, the first is the political. talking to sources today, i don't think there will be a political problem for kevin mccarthy because of this within his own party. why

"kevin mccarthy spoke before knowing the facts," he said, noting that he never spoke with him directly. in that phone call, mr. mccarthy wasn't speaking to a small group of republican leaders, including steve scalise, tom cheney -- liz cheney and a number of aides. that is where these recordings came from and it appears that is where the call with donald trump came from as well. your thoughts on these tapes? caller: hello? host: hello. caller: hey, john. unfortunately, you get to be the guy that gets picked on by me this morning on the same topic i talked about last time i called in. it is find that you are covering this topic this morning, but i have to come again, ask -- to, again, ask, why is it that one year and a half later we still have not heard any audiotapes or seen any videos of hunter biden's laptop? that is a story, john. it really is a story and it was one that was neglected to your into africa. it is still being neglected by the powers that be including c-span. i wish she would get maranda on the program and let's have a real look at the hunter laptop story and the joe bi

your viewers just heard kevin mccarthy say it in his own voice.general credibility on this subject, draw your own conclusions about other subjects. i think the two pieces of audio that you have just unveiled on this network really also speak to the complicated internal politics of the republican party and why kevin mccarthy ultimately capitulates to donald trump. that piece of audio you just played from january 10th where it says, i've had it with this guy, addresses a small number of congressional leaders and he is much harsher in talking about donald trump than the first piece of audio he played from january 11th. the very next day, when he's addressing the whole republican congress, and he is speaking disapprovingly of donald trump, but you don't hear the same tone of dismissiveness and hostility. he certainly doesn't say, i've had it with this guy when he's speaking to the whole class. >> and bianna, if i could, this tape and more tapes to come, is important because for seven years now, nearly seven years now, there's been a recurring theme. s

including kevin mccarthy's staff. could be mccarthy's staff, the tape could be coming from inside the mccarthy house. on the call, given mccarthy refers to briefings, from the fbi says a donor sixth attack on the capitol, indicating the lives of some members of the house may be in danger. given mccarthy expresses his worry the republican members of the house like matt gates, matt, brooks and others, should stop attacking democratic members of the house by name and some republicans by name, presumably, because kevin mccarthy feared that if the fbi reports were true, one of those members of congress could be the victim of severe or deadly violence, which, could then, be rightly attributed to republican encouragement. >> the other thing that we have to do is, these numbers are fair. whatever position you're calling out, especially in this nature. i'm gonna call him, the pension is too high, the country's too crazy. i did not want to look back and think we caused something, or remain something, like someone got hurt. i wan

zoomed over, then the winds shifted back a kevin mccarthy shifted back.ect of trumpism, only the current moment matters, and second, the corrosive effect of so many republicans in congress saying one thing in public and believing another in private. when you do that long enough, you erode any sense of conscious of who you are and you wind up with kevin mccarthy. amna: i need to ask you abt president biden, there was a lot of attention this week. we have hashed over the numbers, the dips in approval ratings, and this week in particular, we saw it come to a head the conflicting crises in a lot of ways they are facing. pandemic weariness, trying to maintain authority for the cdc, they want to keep russia from winning ukraine but they have to keep gas prices down. when you look at that, are they doing everything they can? jonathan: i think they are doing everything they can. they could do a little more in one area or another. the problem for the president is the message can't break through. perry bacon has a great column in the washington post, we are at this

that's where the future of kevin mccarthy lies. o, trump is not going to punish mccarthy for lying? there is no bigger liar in the eastern world than donald trump. that is not going to be the standard. the standard is going to be does trump feel as though he is betrayed by mccarthy. that question is what the whole future of mccarthy's speakership rests on. to win the speakership vote, you go to get a majority of the house, so the number of votes mccarthy needs will be an awful lot no democrat will vote for him for speaker. depending on how big the republican majority in the house, assuming they get one. there will be a relatively narrow margin, if trump doesn't want him to be the speaker, he would be done him mccarthy has hourly weeks to make it up to trump, how offended trump is. i think you will see kevin mccarthy doing extraordinary bowing and kneeling and subjugateing and kill his future. >> it's hard for me to see trump not doing that, willie, when you look at the fact that we have, of course this audio tape now where he's sche

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jim jordan kept kevin mccarthy from becoming speaker in 2015, saying he backs him for speaker. a testament to mccarthy's strategy working as you know as much as we criticize it. you can see the hypocrisy of it, the lies, the spinning, et cetera, he reached out to give them positions on committees. jim jordan will be overseek impeachment hearings. he loves that he is trying to deal down criminal of marjorie taylor greene or conservative who's have spoken another conferences where they are talking about racist things. so you know as much as the media has criticized him for the flip-flopping and the lying, this is clearly working with his members. right now they're staying with him on this. >> if you are marjorie taylor greene and there have been efforts to hold you accountable for horrible, reprehensible things she has said, isn't it cynically smart to say, gee, kevin, now are you in the same boat as me to sort of get close to him? >> right, at the end of the day, it's more evidence that is donald trump's party. as long as he is okay with kevin mccarthy potentially being speaker,

party leaders kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell, were obviously correctly horrified by the violence of the inner insurrection. both men are publicly condemned trump for his obvious on 12 month with citing the attack. they're even more damning of us conducts in private. now we learned that mccarthy was not just concerned about trump. according to leak audio obtained by the new york times, on the january 10th call, just four days after the insurrection, mccarthy also expressed concerns that republicans in his own conference might incite [inaudible] , on the january 10th call, just four days after the insurrection, mccarthy also [inaudible] i don't want to look back and think someone got hurt. i don't play politics with anybody. mccarthy sing a lot of republican congressman matt gates in florida someone who's inflammatory rhetoric might get people hurt. mccarthy was wary that gates who frequently criticize fellow republicans by name for being insufficiently loyal to trump in his eyes, was inflaming tensions at a time when the country was already in volatile position. he was a concern echo

but he does have a pretty tenuous relationship with kevin mccarthy. at times has annoyed him. he at times -- when he came out and tried to publicly censure him after january 6th happened there was some real frustration there. i don't think their relationship is as warm as some of kevin mccarthy's allies might tell you that it is. but right now there doesn't seem to be any overwhelming desire to crush mccarthy from the former president. i think he probably goes to fight another day. >> for all of us who cover these speakership race when's they develop the first rule is you can't beat somebody with nobody. so we'll see if there's another republican who tries to take advantage of this situation when it comes to mccarthy. marianna, i want to play for you something one of the reporters behind this upcoming book said about additional audio they've collected. take a listen. >> we have a lot more on tape from this period, which is at the highest levels of american politics. it is sensitive, it's delicate, and it's high stakes. and we have it all on tape. and i

big question who if not kevin mccarthy. pull his support for kevin somic kaerbgt as speaker, that would be a huge impact on mccarthy's future. >> he has an odd wrens of one. but many people who follow that one. totally separate, i do want to ask you about an interview you had yesterday with anthony fauci at a time where i think a lot of people of parents with children under 5 and cannot get a vaccine. what's the delay. . >> pfizer was thinking that it was going to be a two-dose vaccine for the children. two-dose vaccine may be okay in the delta variant. but omicron, as it continues to evolve, at least at the dose pfizer uses, will be a three-dose virus for a vaccine. now, you have moderna, which comes in with a bit of a higher dose who are looking at two doses there. and what the fda wants to do is to get it so we don't confuse people to say this is the dose, this is the dose regimen for children within that age group 6 months to 5 years. >> if it was approved, why can't we have it in may? . >> i have no answer for that. >>

in these newly-released tapes, we hear how the top republican in the house, majority leader kevin mccarthy, fewer people in his own caucus could be -- the times says the audio is from a january's tenth 2021 phone call that mccarthy held with other gop house leaders about the fiery comments from some of donald trump's most vocal supporters. >> the other thing that we have to do is, the these members [inaudible] >> mccarthy was especially worried about florida congressman matt gates who slumped several fellow republicans, including liz cheney, for criticizing trump after the insurrection. >> serious bleep, [inaudible] [inaudible] >> serious bleep, potentially illegal, according to the times mccarthy also not happy with alabama's mall brooks. you remember brooks, he's the guy who wore body armor on january 6th, and he talked about american patriots taking down names and kicking butt. mccarthy implied but brooks that was actually worse than trump, telling the crowd to fight like hell. >> >> another day after that phone call, mccarthy urged republicans to dial back the rhetoric. >> [noise] [lau

listen, kevin mccarthy will never be speaker of the house. ity, donald trump will be the speaker of the house. mccarthy has walked back these comments that he made to his colleagues, the way he threw liz cheney under the bus to doing exactly what kevin mccarthy has said privately, she said publicly, the fact that they are willing to go to these extreme lengths to walk back these things, tells you that when the time comes, if they take back power, donald trump will be running everything. >> let me ask you, do you think -- >> he runs the party. >> hang on. do you think that trump maintains his vice grip on this party because of leaders like this? they, you know, bow down before him and give him what he wants when the reality is anecdotal employee can tell you talking with people a lot of american citizens are tired of donald trump. many republicans say you know what, we're kind of relieved that we haven't had to listen to him, that we haven't had all this crazy malfeasance from the white house. you know, lies and then backtracking and all the th

listen. >> they want to hear from kevin mccarthy? >> yes, we've invited him to come earlier before the latest revelation that was reported on tapes. so, in all probability, he will be issued another invitation to come just like some other members. >> when will that happen? >> soon. >> this week? >> soon. >> mccarthy in the other two republicans, there is some new members and that was well. >> for sure, leader mccarthy, will make a decision on any others before the week is out. >> if he doesn't respond to that invitation, second innovation, which you subpoena him at that point? >> well, that'll be a consideration for the committee to decide. >> that was the chair of the january 6th investigation, congressman benny thompson saying that the committee will be issuing another invitation to the republican house leader kevin mccarthy for him to come speak with him. you'll recall that the investigation has issued a number of request, voluntary requests for interviews with republican members of congress, who appear to be directly implicated i

former president trump and kevin mccarthy spoke on the house thursday night about the audio of mccarthy saying that trump should resign and the capitol according to two people. trump wasn't upset about the remarks and glad that the republican leader didn't follow through and trump saw as a sign of his continued grip on the party. they spoke a private conversation anonymously. that's more ominous. trump knows that mccarthy knows what he did and trump knows the brute power to dominate mccarthy is so complete he's not losing sleep over this. >> right. this goes back to so many of i think what our conversations end up coming back to. trump's grip on the republican party and this is proof in the pudding that trump sees himself and pretty nonplussed about and was sort of reveling in this controlled -- iron grip he has on the power and the leverage over minority leader mccarthy. doesn't mean he has to go on a forgiveness tour. kiss the ring at mar-a-lago. but the president views this as a -- former president views this as a reinforcement of the fact that trumpism is still well and alive and mc

you write this, house republican leader, kevin mccarthy, called trump's conduct atrocious and totallyhis guy. take us inside mccarthy's mindset at the time. >> in those days immediately after january 6th, what we show in our book there is a real recognition among donald trump's closest allies in the house, of which kevin mccarthy is a first among equals, that he went way over the line. he specifically tells other house republican leaders that trump is responsible for inciting people, that is what donald trump was literally charged with in impeachment. said he's going to call him and tell him it's time for you to go. it's a very different kevin mccarthy from even the one who cautiously says on the floor of the house that trump bears responsibility for the attack. he sounds as outraged as virtually anybody else in his party at that point. in those days you really see the full peril that the united states is facing. a republican party that knows what the right thing to do would be or leaders of the republican party who sound like they are potentially willing to do that, and then they jus

so, for all the people condemning kevin mccarthy of his decision to reimburse a strong, despite his private discussed remember that mccarthy didn't just rehabilitate trump, he helped rehabilitate and empower dozens of fringe conservatives and qanon cultists who are working very hard every day to make sure they're in control for the next round of elections. i'm now joined by michigan -- dana nessel, an attorney general it's good to see you again thank you for making time with us. this week speaking of election deniers, the michigan gop interest matchup arnaud and trump backed candidate who supports the big lie, and certainly election lies. in your states attorney general republican primary, another trump backed election denier has been painted as the secretary of state candidate, your reaction to both of these candidates being endorsed by the gop? >> well, i have the same reaction that donald trump had, that was instrumental in his decision to support them. he said very plainly just a few days before the convention that if these two individuals, that he supported for secretary of state, and

the first, we begin with tonight with donald trump's response to the leak audio of kevin mccarthy, saying that he would urge trump to resign in the days after the january 6th riot. trump told the wall street journal tonight that his relationship with mccarthy is not damaged. they report, quote, trump said he was not pleased to learn of his comments, but he said the californian republican had never ultimately advised him to quit. he said that mr. mccarthy quickly change his stance when he found out the facts and embrace them fully a few weeks after the january 10th, 2021 call. the wall street journal goes on to say, quote, i think it is all a big compliment, frankly, mr. trump said about mr. mccarthy. other republicans who initially criticized him at the gym or six and then said there was no support him. they realize they were wrong and supported me. nbc news reports that one person close to trump set mccarthy called the former president and apologized. earlier tonight, we heard from kevin mccarthy himself. >> congressman, have you spoken with president trump recently? did you speak with h

president trump said yesterday that he fully supports kevin mccarthy for speaker, as do i. goal and one goal only in his mind, that's taking back the majority. and i've been with him to israel, just got back from ukraine and poland and romania. he's very astute in his grasp of the knowledge. he has worked tirelessly to get the majority back. i can tell you the support in the conference is very strong for him and this is a little beltway bubble blip, if you will. i don't think it's going to have any long-term consequences. i do believe we are going to get the majority back, hopefully 40 seats. kevin will be the next speaker of the house. he will work well with president trump, and even when i was in poland and warsaw, you know, they were talking on the phone a lot, so i don't -- i think this is one of those inside beltway things. when i go home, xander, no one talks about this. all they talk about is gas prices, inflation. you know, the war in ukraine, and the border is the number one issue in texas. >> sandra: we appreciate you coming on and responding to all of it. thank yo

kevin mccarthy is lying.ou've got mary tyler moore, i mean, mary tyler greene is not answering questions. you got jim jordan don't want to answer questions. they are all running now. because donald trump is losing his power. he is going to go nowhere. that is why the american people photo him out -- voted him out the first time. host: omar, republican, lacrosse, virginia. go ahead. caller: hello? host: you are on air. go ahead. caller: good morning. i think they should not vote for this lady. i mean, come on. if you vote for anyone that said that the election was stolen, you know they are lying. and they are following donald trump. donald trump is a loser. they keep following donald trump, they going to lose, too. we need to take money out of politics. if we take money out of it, all this wouldn't happen. host: we ask that you call in on the line that best represents your political views. (202)-748-8001 for republicans, (202)-748-8000 for democrats, and now to the independent line at (202)-748-8002. tom in mo

jackie, today republicans gave kevin mccarthy a standing ovation. but fast forward, 8:00 tonight, fox news, matt gates giving him yet another beat down. so where does mccarthy stand tonight? >> yeah, therein lies the rub stiff. there is some sort of asymmetric imbalance here, which is that most of the members from the house gop conference, including house minority leader kevin mccarthy and house gop leadership are really tired of the antics from the far-right of their party. but, and that was evidenced in that audio that leaked, and really over the course of the past years, mccarthy has struggled to keep the party together as these members have acted out time and time again. he's had to deal with some of the repercussions. but you don't see them really going all the way in reprimanding these members. only two of them stood up in the house gop conference meeting this morning that was matt gates and marjorie taylor greene, according to our reporting as well. and they, their comments were not really received very well by the rest of their members. that

kevin mccarthy can deny those things and people's distrust in -- i don't know if you call it mainstreamcountry to believe that mccarthy never said those things. >> on tape he also said that people were being endangered, he said that trump was putting people in jeopardy. let's listen to that. >> i'm calling gaetz, i'm explaining to him -- i don't know what i'm going to say but i'm going to have other people call him. if i'm getting another one from the fbi tomorrow, this is serious shit. to cut this out. >> it's potentially illegal what he's doing. >> well, he's putting people in jeopardy. >> brooks apparently said today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass, which i would say is even a step further than the kind of rhetorical take, you know. >> if you think the president deserves to be impeached for his comments, that's almost something that goes further than what the president said. >> he also said we saw what people would do in the capitol. you know that these people came prepared with rope, with everything else. what do you think -- how do you feel list

kevin mccarthy will never be able to outflank the far right of the party.n or some group, always going to be the right of him. frankly, that's their business model. they want to go out there and say they're the vanguard of the conservative movement or liberal movement. and that's what they do. i think it's a mistake to try to placate too many of those elements and then you'll see control to them. and if he becomes speaker that element is going to then basically try to hold the whole conference hostage. i think it's better like i say don't feed the crocodiles because they'll eat you sooner or later. >> it's interesting he's comparing it to liberal college professor or msnbc staffer because as you said what kevin mccarthy was saying is actually the right thing. so is he saying that a college professor or msnbc staffer is someone who's acting in the right manner? does he not realize what he's saying? >> i think what tucker carlson was saying there -- >> matt gaetz. >> excuse me. what matt gaetz was saying there what kevin mccarthy said i think was a very reaso

let us start with "the washington post" new reporting per two sources familiar that kevin mccarthy spoke on the phone with donald trump last night after rachel maddow played damning audio in which mccarthy criticized him over the insurrection. what "the washington post" reports that donald trump told mccarthy in a moment. >>> an official spokesman for donald trump told nbc news they are providing no comment. we have several leaked clips of the minority leader's call with house republicans just days after the insurrection including this new clip where he says he was, quote, done with donald trump. >> i've had it with this guy. what he did is unacceptable. nobody can defend that, and nobody should defend it. >> the audio was provided by "new york times" reporters alexander burns and jonathan martin ahead of their new book "this will not pass: trump, biden, and the battle for america's future." the two reported on what mccarthy said. when mccarthy denied he said that, the reporters produced the proof. the duo also reports that in the days after the attack leader mccarthy and senate minority