they did not come right out to say that or to join the kgb. wanted to make sure you were the right fit. >> it is a mutual feeling and the question was asked would you be interested in something like this? it was quite clear i could have said no. so let's take a look they needed to find out for themselves the fire was the right material because from early on it would be for undercover work and desmond's pointed out that requires a certain personality. i met with my handler once a week and we talked about everything. and he got to know me very well. in with this particular object write a report i a bet he you wrote a report every time we met gradually he introduced me to the idea of what it would be like to do this kind of work and it took there year-and-a-half before he popped the question and that was done a senior person in berlin. and i had 24 hours to say yes or no progress still could have said no because for this kind of work it has to be volunteer your not forced. >> host: but your first impression with west berlin? so what do you see? d

this was huge to the kgb. it was difficult of the soviets to always get someone else to do the dirty work. they did it through proxy and through the bulgarians in particular. when they heard that the bulgarians were involved, that was it. by the way, let me ask you this, why did the bulgarians want to kill the pope? what do they care about this? the bulgarians? they're not going to do that unless moscow gave them the go-ahead. other questions? no? yes? >> as documentation is developing and as there is discussion proceeding the eastern europe, there are also questions to what degree he might have been compromised figure. do you have any comments? paul: i am not sure. i zeroed in on the same thing. what he actually said, i go through this in the book. they put a contract out on him. they actually tried to assassinate him. i think the payment on that was going to be $300,000. the initial it -- this is fascinating, it was january 20, 1981. when he went to rome to me with he kneeled for him and john paul ii gave hi

president when he was acting prime minister and meeting his former colleagues at kgb headquarter in moss scout, he said once kgb, always kbg and lying is part of his job he keeps lying and people are stick buying this. still asking him, did you do that? no, i didn't. by the way, by saying i didn't, he just -- he's looking back at russian people and saying, of course i did it. this is -- they just don't understand. let's sell this nonsense to them. it's all about his appearance, and as long as he is being treated as the most powerful man on the planet -- but the way two consecutive years, forbes magazine. that would count. the notes not because he read books like us, but because he has instincts that no one every in history attack a strong dictator. as long as dictator looks strong, will be no uprising. >> let me get to the point about lies. 2010ed yesterday the point of modern prop began nice not just to misinform or push an agenda it's to exhaust your critical thinking and to annihilate truth. i think that my concern is, how can our sort of democratic society withstand this chaos.

. >> october 1959, kgb agents poured in to havana and on february 10th, 1960, soviet premierer sent a man on a mission. >> it ak is sell rates as fidel castro began to nationalize and confiscate american and cuban property sfwls washington was increasingly alarmed and it is at that point that sizen hower gave the grain light to the cia to preparing to overthrow the castro government. the cia and the department of defense were recruiting an training cubaens to either land on an invasion or do commando

. >> october 1959, kgb agents poured in to havana and on february 10th, 1960, soviet premierer sent aa mission. >> it ak is sell rates as fidel castro began to nationalize and confiscate american and cuban property sfwls washington was increasingly alarmed and it is at that point that sizen hower gave the grain light to the cia to preparing to overthrow the castro government. the cia and the department of defense were recruiting an training cubaens to either land on an invasion or do commando attack against the castro regime. >> i found out they had a recruiting center in one of the houses here in miami. >> 19-year-old felix rodly gez immediately joined the movement. >> i signed up, i volunteered for it. >> did you know the cia was behind it? >> no, we didn't even know the cia existed at the time. >> stepping up to volunteer was nothing to new to garcia. in world war ii as an army paratrooper he found fought at canal i want to help you. >> five years later, together with his son georgmanuel came h from korea. >> you joined the brigade as it you forming up to throw castro out. the move

jack barsky shares stories about his time as a kgb spy in "deep undercover" and peter-- peter iser on his book. book tv all this week in prime time on c-span2. tonight on the communicator. >> hackers hack humans. >> we are the black hat conference in las vegas talking about cyber security and cyber threats with ceo of net square. >> it's not easy to dispatch a large organization and patch it month after month. today we have two really think of proactive defense. we cannot keep reacting to attacks anymore. we have to turn the concept around to set booby-traps, to create an environment. we have to engage in-- >> watch the communicator's tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> this week at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, tonight for formal national security advisers who served to the last two presidents including stephen hadley, national security advisor for president george w. bush. >> on a little worried. i think we are in a dangerous time with russia. i think vladimir putin has decided americans are anti- russian. 's ambassador says all the time there is no constituency for us russia

intelligence officer was telling me that it was actually former kgb or back then at the time kgb officerstelligence officials because the ussr, the soviet union and cuba were close. that's the culture in which they have grown up. so it's not beyond realm of possibility that those folks in cuba, intelligencewise may have resorted to bad stuff. it may also be someone else entirely. ways your take on it? we look at the possible scenarios. what could they be? >> let me present a third option. it's either the cubans, someone else, or maybe someone else with the cubans doing a wing and a nod. -- with a wink and a nod. the cubans are ever promiscuous with their intelligence in venezuela twrb the russians and the soviets before them. it's not uncommon for the cubans to have foot flint other country -- footprints in other countries. ultrasound, when you start getting into those higher sounds, you can cause heat tissue damage internally. if this was the cubans doing this, this can be interpreted as a very hostile act. it's not like lie for us to -- it's not likely to be taken lightly by the united

spent the first 41 is years of his life under communism that he was ten years being trained by the kgb so one of the lessons from the cold war is that legacies matter and ideology mattered you can't touch base with somebody like that without taking into account that he spent most of his life under communism. >> here is the book, the brief history of the cold war, lee edwards and elizabeth edwards stalling this is booktv on c-span2. >> so could you recount for us the importance of the burn and affair and the underground railroad. >> no doubt -- >> i think earlier we had a sculpture see it if i can go back to it. that dwight who is a fantastic scurpt sculptor

and about 12 hours after that statement, gregory is on call to me, and he has two kgb agents living inotecting him, and he tells me that they're going to kill him. >> reporter: fogle says immediately bought him a flight out of moscow to the u.s. he said he brought something with him, a hard drive filled with documents, detailing russia's doping program. >> i realize that not only am i sitting on a nuclear bomb of information that changes all of sport history, he had come preparing to blow the lid off of this. >> reporter: according t to rochencough, people posing as workers swapped out dirty urine of russian athletes for clean samples. once safely in the u.s., he decided to go public and foegel was deeply intertwined. international outrage ensued. russia's participation in the 2016 games put into jeopardy. ultimately, only the russian track and field team would be putin has continued to deny the allegation. >> i doubt that he ordered the actual doping to happen. but that he made clear that he wanted the athletes to win at any cost. >> reporter: u.s. intelligent agencies say the exposur

. >> the kgb chief, the military commander, the minister of the interior and the prime minister joineds to mount the coup. >> nothing threatens mr. gorbachev. he's in a safe place. except he needs some time to feel better. >> shevardnadze warned today that the right wing coup would have tragic consequences. >> it is the beginning of civil war. >> extraordinary drama in moscow tonight. scenes of destruction, of fire, even of blood on the streets. >> four people died, shot or crushed by armored vehicles. >> speculation he's being held in moscow, at least 50,000 people gathered at the russian parliament building. >> gorbachev wasn't that popular at that point, but these people were even les less popular than gorbachev. if they mounted a coup in 1989 or early 1990, he might have fallen and the new soviet union would have been quite different. but there were already new legitimate figures that the russian people were supporting and were expecting a lot from. >> around 50,000 supporters of boris yeltsin gathered to chant their support for the man who is now carrying the battered banner of li

when they went and examined these bottles, they literally found the scratches of how the kgb, the fsbhese bottles. they found spectacular levels of salt content in the urine samples, because grigory was adding salt into the herein -- these clean urine samples to match the gravity. they corroborated everything that grigory brought forward as undeniable truth. charlie: where is the russian sports program today? guest: right now, what has happened, to start with, there was a little bit of luck here. we started to make a movie about brian doping in the system. and then the relationship with grigory rodchenkov, we discovered what happened. the russians used the sochi games as a way to pump up putin's popularity, which in the two weeks after sochi, he ended -- attacking the ukraine. this was used as a political motive to be able to use the sports system as a way to enhance russia's political agenda. guest: that is right. and where the russians are now is there are two separate investigations by the ioc of the russians to determine whether or not they should be allowed to participate in the

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he has two fsb, kgb agents living in his home guarding him.ce that they're going to kill him and that he needs to get out of moscow. and i buy him a plane ticket on my credit card. it was just -- it was -- i just felt like my friend -- you know, wasn't about a movie at that point. >> seth: and now he's here, but you have not communicated with him for a while because he is under now american protection? is that -- >> he is under federal protective custody. so once he gets to los angeles, we spend about seven months. and in these seven months i compile what is thousands of documents of evidence of this fraud, of this scandal. we bring it to the "new york times." this sets off a whole other investigation. everything is proved, and at the same time, the department of justice launches their own investigation into the scandal. and because they believe that grigory's life is at risk and they get intelligence that russia is going to essentially do him harm, he has been in federal protective custody for the last year and two months with this ongoing in

and about 12 hours after that statement grigory is on a call to me and he has two fsb agents, kgb agents, living in his home protecting him. and he tells me that they're going to kill him. >> the problem is to survive. >> listen, i -- joking -- you know, aside. i'm just like -- i'm worried about you. >> yes. yes. >> and in that moment i knew that the movie and the story that i thought that i was setting out to make was over. >> are you in any danger? >> yes. i need to escape. >> putin will kill me. >> holy [ bleep ]. >> the biggest thing at that moment is that i had this person's life in my hands. >> reporter: fogel says he immediately bought rodchenkov a flight out of moscow to the u.s. he says rodchenkov brought something with him, a hard drive filled with documents detailing russia's doping program. >> i realize that not only am i sitting on a nuclear bomb of information that changes all of sport history, he had come preparing to blow the lid off of this. >> reporter: according to rodchenkov, during the sochi games russian intelligence agents posed as maintenance workers entering the

could do that because that involve huge planning and the involvement of the state police and the former kgb but the reason russia did that is because the anti—doping tests do work and to circumvent them they actually had to substitute urine. they could be far more effective than they are and the doping problem would be either would say significantly less if we put enough money into it. very briefly, with big stars heading off into the sunset like usain bolt, and mo farah, is the sport heading into the doldrums? athletics is losing its audience, no doubt, and losing mo farah and especially usain bolt won't help, but sport survives. golf is used to worry about what would happen when tiger woods went into decline, that happened, and golf is still there. athletics will live long after mo farah and usain bolt. thanks forjoining us. on tuesday, kenya goes to the polls. the incumbent, president uhuru kenyatta is up against his old rival raila 0dinga, who's trying for what will be his fourth — and, at 72, possibly his last — attempt to become president. the polls suggest it's close, and given kenya

david: it shows how heartless, as if we needed proof, that russians are, in particular an ex-kgb guy.ertheless, thousands of the russians were killed by taliban, and their supporters. >> russians are cold-blooded in pursuing their national interest be and notion you can affect them by personal relationships, does not work, and this another system demonstration. david: north korea. how soon before they have another test? either of an nuclear bomber icbm . >> i think they can test almost and time, i don't think there is reason to believe that absence of testing shows a political decision to try to come closer to us, i don't think they are that fear of us yet, they do not respect us, there no point in trying to negotiate with them. david: chinese seem to be putting pressure, i want you are skeptical. we have not had enough about north korea, john bolton thank you. >> thank you. david: we're coming right back with more, stay with us. >> president trump hitting do nothing congress. >> i have a message for congress tonight, your job is to represent american family, american people, american

russia is controlled by the kgb and sfb.elay it to september 1, they sight as a sign of weakness you can exploit. i'm a big fan of rex tillerson for falling into the exact same trap obama and w. fell into in previous administrations. gerri: adam, is there a goty here? >> this isn't anything new. under president reagan we expelled 25 russian diplomats from the u.s. and they returned the favor and expelled 25 from the embassy? moscow. and they turned around and got rid of hundreds in the embassy including russian nationals doing the cook, cleaning and front lawn. so what ended up happening is u.s. marines was make beds and the ambassador's wife was cooking meals. gerri: that's funny, but at the end of the day, it's getting dangerous. forford: . all three us without dating ourselves lived through the cold war. there is a right way to respond to the russians. when you delay they see this as a spine of weakness. by firing the tomahawk missiles. you can tell the russians and call them every name in the book but they only respect a

then jack bar shares stories about his experience as a kgb spy in deep undercover. and later a look at mccarthy spies which tells the story of three individuals who denied the japanese occupation of the philippines during world war ii. >> you are watching booktv on c-span with top non-fiction books and authors every weekend. booktv, television for serious readers. >> good afternoon everyone. i would like to welcome you as well as the good friends from c-span to the mcgowan theater. as well as the producer for the noontime lecture series. before we begin today's program i would just like to remind you of a few other programs we had coming up in the near future. the irish immigrant experience. and then on wednesday march 22 film screaming -- screening. it is presented in partnership with the dc environment a film festival. to find out more about these and the other programs please take one of the monthly calendar events where you can visit our website at debbie ww. -dot archives.gov. our topic for today is agent 110. an american spy master in the german resistance of

putin is murderous butcher who declared an act of war on the united states and we needed to bomb the kgbs a result. some of these senators are putting out all these statements about trump's rhetoric. they didn't put out any statement when north korea fired a missile. these muscles are aimed at l.a. and print back san francisco. trump is china protect all americans. he's trying to protect all americans. we have to face the real threat, not donald trump, it's north korea. >> greg: i want to bring up -- an elegant piece this morning. it's about time, just cutting it down a little. i'm kidding. unless we decide what we want, we are negotiating for more negotiating and that gives time for your adversary to achieve their end. the question we have to ask is before you negotiate, what you want? what do we want? america doesn't want a war. >> dana: i think he knows what he wants for his presidency and what his responsibility is. no president would want to have that. he's not going to be able to pass this problem on in its current form to another president. that happened under clinton, bush, and o

the first was the official release date with the approval of the successor agency of the kgb and be protected his name in that release. so in the unofficial release that we have here, his name gets exposed. so the fact that this is something they were trying to protect to me says that it is genuine. this man all the way in the back. >> [inaudible] i am aware of that. i haven't focused a lot on that. my impression of his attitude in the 20s and early 30s is that he was basically apolitical. i mean, he's not really taken sides one way or another. he says numerous times politics is for other people. it's only after that it changes. the changes. yes sir, right there. >> [inaudible] >> great question. get hemingway pass any significant information. they answer that in the files and had no. they said he was willing to speak to them. he told them he would help them but he never produced the goods. so the argument i make in the book is he basically had buyers remorse. it's kind of the difference between dating and getting married. you meet them, have a drink with them and i will do that for you. he d

they collected clean urine from every russian athlete in sochi before the games, cap it in a secret kgbany of those athletes got a medal, and they would be drug tested, found a way to break and a breakable sotem and dump dirty urine it could never be tested and replace it with clean urine, gaming the entire system. it was an incredibly brazen fraud that said not only can you get by the system in small ways, but you can crack it open in a gigantic way. charlie: who has confirmed the story of grigory about what happened? guest: after we go to the new york times, they are forced to launch another investigation into the claims put forward in the new york times. i helped to facilitate a meeting, and richard mclaren was the head of that investigation, independently, and this investigation went on between may 2016 through december of this year. the investigation found, beyond a reasonable doubt, that every single thing grigory said and put forward is true. corroborated all the evidence. charlie: this is the investigation by the new york times? guest: no, the new york times broke the story base

i think he's such a steely eyed kgb operator, he would take it as an opportune toy exploit the united >> in the piece you wrote earlier this spring, you talk about the actions and the words from the administration, even though you are supportive embolden putin. does a message like this further that and embolden putin more? >> well, i don't know. i guess it could. i think that we need to do the thing that is are being talked about in the ukraine, sell those mobile missiles. i think we need to continue to deploy sanctions on russia and iran. they were added by the house. i think it would be nice to highlight the things the house has done rather than talk about what the senate has not done, for example. >> one point of the sanctions. you must be pleased they passed both houses of the congress and signed by the president of the united states. what difference do you think they will make going forward? >> well, you know, there's a dispute about how affective sanctions are anyway. but to the extent that they can be effective, i think we need to put them in place. it's going to be more effect

he also defended putin from a british inquiry that determined putin ordered the murder of a former kgblondon. >> he hasn't been convicted of anything. some people say he absolutely didn't do it. first he says he didn't do it. many people say wasn't him. so who who knows did it? >> the relationship with putin, you can't go on saying he thinks i'm brilliant and just ignore the things he's doing, right? >> i think it would be great if we had a good relationship with russia. >> however, the "washington post" reports that ty cobb said trump knew nothing with his effort to enlist his help. of course, back in 2013 he tweeted, do you think putin will be going to the miss universe pageant in november in moscow? if so, will he become my new best friend should the president's defense of putin continued long after that real estate deal fell through. asked yesterday whether russia pose as security threat, trump declined to mention the country by name. >>> mr. trump, would you consider russia as a security threat? thank you. >> i consider many countries as a security threat when you look at what's g

before the election, with a russian lawyer and a russian lobbyist who reportedly once worked for the kgb

the towering image of the founder of the much-feared secret police, the kgb, was dragged off its pedestallator: it was right to remove some but not others. i think it was best to take down the statues of stalin because there are lots of negatives associated with him which have not yet been fully accepted in this country. >> reporter: in the pro-democracy fervor, other icons were toppled too. busts of stalin and lenin. many were placed here, kraeting an historical sculpture park in the center of moscow. >> translator: these statues never bothered me. this is my life. i grew up with it. it's my childhood. and i wouldn't be worried if they were returned. it's history and you can never forget history. >> reporter: but that history and its monuments remains controversial across the former soviet union with some now independent states, most recently ukraine, moving to erase what many there see as reminders of past oppression. in the baltics, too, now eu and nato members views towards soviet era statues have hardened. but here in russia, the picture is more complex. under vladimir putin, soviet

we saw a man named vladimir putin, who was a former kgb void,al, fill a essentially taking over in a lot of chaos and an inability to make that transition to a democracy. he moved in, took advantage of the chaos, and started an authoritarian state, which meant ,imiting the freedom of speech clamping down on dissidents, even murder. we, and the cold war, had basically got to a point where the nuclear arms race had buried them in economically. they were devastated. there was a lawless as that took putin was in control, and everything had to him.n fothrough this is the tricky part. what they were talking about -- communisming was going to take over our democracy. that didn't quite work out the way they wanted it to, but now there is an authoritarianism that is prevalent there, and they still desire for america to be weakened and for this wonderful 241-year-old experiment to fail. great societies, great civilizations much additionally from anywhere to 250 to 300 years. issee what he has done effectively invaded our country. it doesn't feel like it right now because it is like high blood

. >> i think what vladimir putin did, remember, his former experience was serving as a kgb offer and the ssb. it's not just about recruiting sources, but also about running these operations. i think what he felt was this would be the sort of bait that maybe someone might not want to refuse. i think they took a gamble and won out and the meeting took place and that was all they needed. >> one of the things i thought so interesting in your op ed is you say one of the favorite russian tactics, kremlin tactics, spy tactics, is to dangle something that looks to be of great value for free, and that that should be an instant red flag. so in other words, i'm going to just hand overall this great opposition research, this dirt on hillary clinton for free, and that that really in real life rarely happens and that should have set off some alarm bells. >> i think it would have set off alarm bells for russians who grew up in russia and understand what this is all about, but it might not for us in the united states. the other formative experience in vladimir putin's life is hes a black belt in ju

. >> i think the kgb was chastened by that. >> jfk in his speech during the cuban missile crisis showedresolve and firmness but also reassured the american people at a moment that was very uncertain, advocated patience and restraint and a desire for peace and spoke directly -- >> reagan also called them the evil empire. >> he did, and that's fine. they're still evil, just a smaller empire. >> i agree. >> i want to correct your history. when president clinton, very bellicose, threatening military action against north korea, kim jong il backed down. he backed down. he stopped his nuclear program. he let the united nations put cameras in and for several years that nuclear development was frozen through a combination of carrots and sticks. the chinese were important to that, as well. we're in much worse shape now because they have nukes. they did not 15, 20 years ago when president clinton was dealing with them. the two options are war or china. i would send tillerson on the plane to beijing tomorrow. >> we've got to take a quick break. when we come back, is president trump himself promotin

before the election, with a russian lawyer and a russian lobbyist who reportedly once worked for the kgbe hardest part to believe is there was a donald trump dumb enough to do that and it wasn't this one. [ laughter and applause ] china reportedly scrubbed the images of winnie the pooh from social media over the weekend, after users compared the character to their president. though it seems like it would be easier to just get their president to put some pants on. [ laughter ] president trump attended the u.s. women's open golf tournament this weekend. so just to be safe, the golfers got changed in their cars. [ laughter ] senate republicans are trying to add a provision to their healthcare bill that would allow companies to offer low cost reduced coverage plans, which critics are calling junk insurance. "i'll take some junk insurance," said dudes who wear really tight biking shorts. [ laughter and applause ] can never -- can never be too safe with the junk. scientists were recently able to create a miniature human heart by injecting human cells into a rat heart. "and i'm feeling so much

one is that he was a kgb officer. the other is, he's a black belt in judo. one of the key principles in judo is to use your opponent's strength against him. in our case, whereas russia seeks to impose russia sovereignty, cyberspace in the united states is wide open. it's a force multiplier for free expression and commerce. i believe that vladamir putin saw an opportunity effectively to exploit our open internet for his own influence gain. >> the comment made by the one obama white house official, we don't know who it was, saying what the russians did worked, there's no real way to ever know that. it's easy to say this was russia disinformation, but it's not clear how fake news stories are on facebook or twitter. >> i don't think it is. but we're muddying the question, we're spending way too much time, including members of the clinton campaign, talking about the impact on the last election. my problem with the current congressional inquiries is they keep getting caught up in circles around democrats, republic republicans, who's got access to information. if w