>> that's the most recent picture of khalid sheikh mohammed. that was taken in guantanamo a few years ago. here's an interesting thing. he said, for many years khalid sheikh mohammed said it was unislammic to take pictures of living things and in this picture he spent hours and hours posing for the red cross photographer to take that picture at guantanamo. >> did he know what he was doing? >> absolutely. >> why would the red cross help him in this process? >> well, that's a very good question. i guess the official answer, which i was told, was that it's -- in order to ensure the family of the detainees that the detainees are being well treated, they would take photographs of them but the propaganda value of the photo was enormous and within days of the family receiving the photo it was on al qaeda web sites around the world. >> let's go back over -- >> and the "new york times" shortly after. >> let's go over what khalid sheikh mohammed has done and how much of this has been proved. any don't think there's great doubt about his role in most of th

. >> could we use the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed that we did against osama bin laden. would that have beenawful? >> could we have? >> used the same tactics against khalid sheikmommed when we captured him in pakistan as we did against osama bin laden. that is killed him rather than captured him? >> well, the aim with regard to bin laden was to kill or capture him. i would think that with regard to khalid sheikh mohammed, we could probably apply those same standards. we have the ability there. >> does it seem some ways inconsistent or difficulty for more relevance to say that it is per se so shocking to the conscience that one would subject khalid sheikh mohammed to waterboarding, but it would not shock the consciee to put a buet in his brain? >> one has to take into account a variety of things. and when you're on the scene, you want to get the person you're trying to capture. but you also have to make sure you're protecting the lives of the people who are on our side and who put themselves at risk. and it is for that reason that there's a safety component there. and th

but when the most -- one of the more interesting parts is when they took his name to khalid sheikh mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times and, who according to u.s. officials, was the mentor for this guy, the courier, khalid sheikh mohammed did not give up his real name. he first even suggested he didn't even know him and it was only later when they captured other detainees that they were able to fully identify who this courier was and then once they had his name, they were able to use the full resources of u.s. intelligence including electronic intercepts, nsa and find that trail that led to the compound in pakistan. >> i want to be crystal clear here. the intelligence officers who were there at guantanamo bay say it wasn't until long after waterboarding had stopped on khalid sheikh mohammed, because of the fire that the cia came under, for that technique, that khalid sheikh mohammed started talking, he started cooperating. i want to be very clear, the name of that courier, the stories about the courier came from other prisoners in american custody and when the interrogators asked khalid

however, as i understand the narrative here, this is not a case where khalid sheikh mohammed spilled his guts even years after being water boarded but said, no, this isn't your guy and it was that, they said, there is something fishy about that. they knew that the courier was important when ksm said look somewhere else, that's how they knew they were on to something. >> feels like an odd straw man when that really is not what this conversation is about any way. >> let's move on. the u.s. has said it will investigate whether pakistani authorities ignored bin laden's presence or helped him hide from intelligence. >> clearly they provided assistance between bin laden and his operatives. whether or not those individuals inside the pakistani government is unknown at this point. >> we're joined from abbottabad pakistan with a first-hand look. >> reporter: chuck, this is a military town. the military is everywhere here. we've been driving around and there is extra security today. we're seeing checkpoint after checkpoint. just a mile down that road is a full military academy, the elite milit

first, khalid sheikh mohammed, when did he give up the courier's name? about this. let's be clear. there are only three cia he-value detainees that were waterboarded. one was khalid sheikh mohammed. he was waterboarded 183 times, subjected to the most extreme waterboarding and interrogations of all detainees in u.s. custody. you when they was asking about this kuwaiti courier, he played down his significance he described him as retired, he dismissed him as being relevant. now, why that's important is that we now eventually the cia was able to p concluded, he was a protege of ksm. they were extremely close. some u.s. intelligence officials even thought they were related, though that doesn't seem to have been the case, but they were -- had worked together for years. so when khalid sheikh mohammed after waterboarding dismisses abu ahmed and described him as retired, he's misleading the cia, throwing them off the trail, although he talked about a lot of things, and there's been a considerable debate about how valuable that intelligence ultimately was the one

it was during the interrogation of khalid shaikh mohammed through water boarding that this of khalid sheikh mohammed through waterboarding that this >> but others dismiss the idea that bin laden's whereabouts could be traced took torture. >> to the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices. >> so which is it? democratic senator jack reed of rhode island is a member of the armed services committee. thank you, senator reed, for joining us. >> thank you, chris. >> what is your take on this? did torture work did we need it or what? >> torture is not only illegal, but it leads to inaccurate information. if you talk to professionals, the men and women who are trained interrogators they understand it takes a long process. it takes an understanding of the psychological sort of strengths and weaknesses not gained by torture but gained by discussion, observation. it takes a long time it and then that information has to be corroborated it has to be checked against other information. so, no torture is not the magic silver bullet if it was, then

in this military operation. >> chris: but why is it inappropriate to get information from khalid sheikh mohammed? >> i didn't say it was inappropriate to get information from khalid sheikh mohammed. >> chris: you said it was against our values. >> i think the technique there has been a policy debate and the administration made our views known on that. >> chris: let me ask you about one aspect of this and we'll move on. the obama justtition department -- obama justice department reopened investigation of half dozen people who were involved after 9/11. this has been a closed investigation. it was reopened by your justice department on the issue of whether or not they were using undue force. we talked earlier with vice president cheney who says that investigation is an outrage. question: with interrogation, and you certainly have agreed, however it came. with interrogation such a key part of this raid, why not end that investigation? >> well, what i said was the interrogation is one part of a mosaic of hundreds of pieces of information over time that builds an intelligence case. it's not just the c

anyway, thank you. >> when you have khalid sheikh mohammed, you may want to consider it. he was somebody special. >> might be easier to get that order from a republican than a democratic president. just guessing but maybe, after watching this week, i'm not sure that the president obama isn't as cold-blooded as anybody. let's go on. >> khalid sheikh mohammed may have been waterboarded, i don't think that was unjust. osama bin laden was killed. i don't think that was unjust. i'm not sure you disagree with me on that. >> thanks, cliff, may, for coming on. >>> we had a poll yesterday showing more republicans say former president bush deer is was more credit for getting bin laden than bin laden does that's republicans saying give more credit to the former president but no matter how hard the right tries they are not going to take this one away, obviously, from the current president. that is ahead. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. we're america's natural gas. and here's what we did today in homes all across america: we created the electricity that powered the alarm c

this notion that khalid sheikh mohammed gave us a critical piece, first of all, it came a year after he was waterboarded. it wasn't those techniques that got that information. what he gave us was a nickname of a courier that bin laden used. if you understand the way al qaeda indicates they often use nicknames to indicate positions not people. it's the equivalent of saying something there's a loggy as a something there's a loggy as a logistician in the united states army. that information is not particularly useful when you're trying to locate something to get their real name and location and follow them to your target. >> here's what makes no sense to me, the administration that says as rumsfeld did just then, we got enormous amounts of valuable intelligence from waterboarding. that is the same administration that ends waterboarding. this thing that's enormously valuable, they say, you know what, it's enormously valuable but we're not going to do it anymore because we don't need it. why would you ever stop doing it if it was enormously valuable. >> the reason why is because of the lo

. >> could we use the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed that we did against osama bin laden. would that have been lawful? >> could we have? >> used the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed when we captured him in pakistan as we did against osama bin laden. that is killed him rather than captured him? >> well, the aim with regard to bin laden was to kill or capture him. i would think that with regard to khalid sheikh mohammed, we could probably apply those same standards. we have the ability there. >> does it seem some ways inconsistent or difficulty for more relevance to say that it is per se so shocking to the conscience that one would subject khalid sheikh mohammed to waterboarding, but it would not shock the conscience to put a bullet in his brain? >> one has to take into account a variety of things. and when you're on the scene, you want to get the person you're trying to capture. but you also have to make sure you're protecting the lives of the people who are on our side and who put themselves at risk. and it is for that reason that there's a safety component the

. >> could we use the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed that we did against osama bin laden. would that have been lawful? >> could we have? >> used the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed when we captured him in pakistan as we did against osama bin laden. that is killed him rher than captured him? >> well, the aim with regard to bin laden was to kill or capture him. i would think that with regard to khalid sheikh mohammed, we could probably apply those same stanrds. we have the ability there. >> does it seem some ways inconsistent or difficulty for more relevce to say that it is per se so shocking to the conscience that one would subject khalid sheikh mohammed to waterboarding, but it would not shock the conscience to put a bullet in his brain? >> one has to take into account a variety of things. and when you're on the scene, you want to get the person you're trying to capture. but you also have to make sure you're protecting the lives of the people who are on our side and who put themselves at risk. and it is for that reason that there's a safety component there. an

subsequently, they asked khalid sheikh mohammed in libya, after they caught him, about this courier that they have learned was very close to him. both of these men, despite the very harsh treatment, khalid sheikh mohammed was water boarded 183 times. he said that he remembered the man, but he was not very important. they made up a different name and said that he had this other name and the cia determined that that was a fabrication. despite the harsh treatment, especially for khalid sheikh mohammed, which was well- documented, he was able to mislead the doubt -- the investigators. host: why was it documented and how do you know about that? guest: in the controversy over what many critics of the bush administration called torture, eventually documents came to light and were made public that showed the details of the treatment of some of these guys. the cia said that they had water boarded three people and khalid sheikh mohammed was the one that was water boarded the most extensively. host: you wrote about the memorandums about the interrogation practices from the bush administration. here

. >> could we use the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed that we did against osama bin laden. would that have been lawful? >> could we have? >> used the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed when we captured him in pakistan as we did against osama bin laden. that is killed him rather than captured him? >> well, the aim with regard to bin laden was to kill or capture him. i would think that with regard to khalid sheikh mohammed, we could probably apply those same standards. we have the ability there. >> does it seem some ways inconsistent or difficulty for more relevance to say that it is per se so shocking to the conscience that one would subject khalid sheikh mohammed to waterboarding, but it would not shock the conscience to put a bullet in his brain? >> one has to take into account a variety of things. and when you're on the scene, you want to get the person you're trying to capture. but you also have to make sure you're protecting the lives of the people who are on our side and who put themselves at risk. and it is for that reason that there's a safety component the

we water boarded khalid sheikh mohammed, obviously after this picture was taken because he clearly hadn't touched water for some time. now, at some point, at some point ksm gave up the nickname of one of bin laden's couriers. we followed that courier and that's how we nailed bin laden, therefore validating torture. but the "i want to be able to look my children in the eye" crowd refused to admit torture is the real hero here. >> torture is not moral. it's not legal. it's not effective. >> it was not torture or cruel, inhuman, degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find osama bin laden. >> all of our experience shows you generate better, more accurate information when you treat prisoners humanely, when you befriend them, when you connect with them. >> probably the most tortured detainee, kalil sheikh mohammed, watered boarded 180 time, did not divluge the name of his courier. >> stephen: he didn't give the name during waterboarding, but he was gave it eventually. we were just loosening the jar by holding it under w

this man told khalid sheikh mohammed in with legitimate children eels clothes because american port authoritiese shipping containers. homeland security says the revelation led to beefed up american security. >> i'm glad american people are learning more about these. >> reporter: like this man who planned to marry four women and have 48 kids to build his own jihad army. >> as ridiculous as this sounds, you realize you have to step back and you need experts to explain is this possible. >> reporter: al qaeda planned to use special blow torches to cut the cables ton brooklyn bridge and might have succeed fd they got into the security room where those cables are anchored. >> if you got into that room, you would be able to, in my judgment, cut those cables and not be seen by the public, not be seen by traffic passing on the bridge. so, yeah, it would have been feasible to do it and still potentially feedsable. >> reporter: but they abandoned the plan because the weather was too hot, meaning too much security. in the middle of 2002 the intel community got a tip there could be a plot on the bridge from

but there is a precedent when khalid sheikh mohammed was grabbed in 2003, there was a u.s. -- or a pakistani for the cia. and he was able to direct the cia to the home where khalid sheikh mohammed was staying. and i think at that point the reward on his head was $5 million. and he received it. and he was granted also asylum, i believe in the united states, though i'm not sure of that. so if, indeed, there was a pakistani who was helpful and is not part of al qaeda, then he might receive it. u.s. government employees, including the s.e.a.l.s, are not eligible for that. >> i know there are probably a lost americans who would disagree with that and would like to see the navy s.e.a.l.s getting part of that monetary reward, but we think that they did a great job and we're certainly really proud of them. and the intelligence officers that helped lead us there, bob, thank you so much, for laying this all out. >>> when we come back, we're going to talk about the future of u.s.-pakistan relationships. quick break. ♪ that's the way, uh-huh, uh-huh ♪ ♪ i like it, uh-huh, uh-huh ♪ that's the way, uh-huh

the accused mastermind of 9/11 khalid sheikh mohammed reportedly said during interrogation at guantanomo that if bin laden cast captured or killed the terror group would set off a nuclear device hidden somewhere in europe. retired army general and former president of the monterey institute of international studies predicts a reprisal is likely in the near future. >> stay with us for continuing coverage of the death of osama bin laden. >>> back in the bay area, pg&e feeling the heat over its smartmeters. the utility will replace 1600 of them because of what it calls a rare defect. as anne makovec reports, the defect could have cost some customers big bucks this summer. >> reporter: the average refund on this whole snafu is going to be about $40 per customer. but it is just another strike against the smartmeter system. >> we're working to make this issue right with our customers immediately. >> reporter: a snafu in the system, some of pg&e's smartmeters are defective running fastener high temperatures and overcharging people for energy. >> if they don't get right then they are going to mak

khalid sheikh mohammed did he serve up the proper information and did the waterboarding work?ome people are saying it did. a couple lawmakers, one from iowa and one from new york say that yes the waterboarding made a difference. your take on that? >> no, i don't believe that at all. in fact, it turns out that khalid sheikh mohammed if the piece of information he gave was the fact that bin laden had a courier one is not anything that is that revealing. every senior leader of al qaeda leader has a courier. but, too, it happened a year after he was waterboarded, which tells me from my experience that i saw in iraq that the waterboarding actually slowed down the acquisition of intelligence by a year. >> where does this leave us, gentlemen, with pakistan? matthew, you first. where does this leave us with pakistan and what does it mean that the president decided to do this without them? >> well, i think it puts increased pressure on pakistan to step up to the plate and to meet us half way on collecting intelligence against al qaeda and it is embarrassing for them. there is no way to

the trail to bin ladin did not begin with a disclosure from khalid sheikh mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. the best intelligence gained from a cia detainee was obtained through standard non-coercive means, not through any enhanced interrogation technique. this is not about the terrorists, it's about us. but i dispute that it was right to use these methods, which i do not believe were in the best interest of justice or our security or the ideals that define us, and which we have sacrificed much to defend. >> arizona republican senator, vietnam veteran john mccain in his own words on the floor of the senate today. >>> now we turn to presidential politics and republican contender mitt romney. he would like to be president. and today he tried to pull off a tough trick. defending the health care plan he passed when he was governor of massachusetts, that many regard as the model for the obama health care plan. we get the story from our chief white house correspondent chuck todd. >> reporter: mitt romney had hoped to put his health care policy problems behind him today. but the conserv

he was described as a protege of 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed and the man who delivered bin laden's orders to al qaeda operatives in the field. but it was not until four years ago that u.s. intelligence determined the courier's real name. take a look at it. it cost bin laden his life. it took another two years to find out what part of pakistan he operated in. then last august, an intercepted phone call led the c.i.a. to his residence. "we were shocked by what we saw" one official said. >> this intelligence case is different. what we see in this compound is different than anything we've ever seen before. >> reporter: a $1 million compound, eight times bigger than any of the other homes in a town where retired pakistani military officers live just 35 miles north of the capital of islamabad. it was built in 2005, apparently just for bin laden. walls as high as 18 feet topped with barbed wire. the main building with opaque windows facing out and a seven- foot privacy wall on the third- floor balcony. the residents of the compound burned their trash instead of putting it out for

khalid sheikh mohammed, who's currently in kwan tan mow bay, of course, had conveyed that, and i'm willing to bet you didn't bring that up in your book. and lastly, about the dancing israelis on 9/11 that the fbi arrested that were, basically, doing surveillance? i'm just saying they knew about 9/11 ahead of time, and the fbi arrested these israelis as they looked at the burning twin towers, and they're holding up cigarette lighters -- >> guest: well, i ended up not doing so much about al-qaeda and its background because that story has been very well told in "the looming tower" by lawrence wright as well as, of course, by the 9/11 commission report. i was trying to set out to tell the u.s. response from the fbi's standpoint about the way that the bureau has evolved both before and after 9/11. >> host: that caller specifically is someone critical of u.s. policy towards israel, as you could tell from his remarks. can you talk a little bit about the fbi and its relationship with israeli security? >> guest: the fbi does work -- the fbi has a different role as a law enforcement agency than an i

including four khalid sheikh mohammed. he admits he has an attack plan and they're going to happen and he tells them, americans are weak and decadent and do not have the will to do what is necessary to protect their country and he found out that we have the will and in the process, we got bin laden. >> twice to use the phrase truth serum that brought to mind a question i have been asked. what we have to use these techniques? let's just inject them and use truth serum. it is illegal. you are not allowed to use mind altering drugs. there is no exceptions. you cannot do it. even if the alteration is temporary. >> i knew that. [laughter] [unintelligible] maybe we will turn to this but this administration disagrees with the efficacy issue. it could be as effective as you say but we are not going to do it. for many of the reasons alisa has mentioned. it causes operations to decrease their flexibility. >> i am delighted to shift to the question. one of the things that, one of the oddities of this debate, i do not this -- mean thi

>> i've spoken to people close to the situation who said the information came from khalid sheikh mohammedfter he was waterboarded directly related and that after the intervention also about libya, more information came but initial information came from khalid sheikh mohammed after waterboarding. islamic is there any clarification on osama bin laden's [inaudible] >> no. actually, i think the saying was reports of until now has been speculation being debriefed now and no one knows what happens. >> this was on my own. >> [inaudible] >> any information of the courier, correct? >> yes, that came from myself. >> somebody who was and is very familiar with what happened at the time, yes. >> [inaudible] >> yeah, they follow as they should. i don't want a conspiracy theory starting, you know, especially the media was bad enough. to me it should be -- there's no doubt they got him so let's not have conspiracy theories developed. from what i've heard of the pictures they are not offensive. >> why haven't the shown the briefing today? did anybody ask? >> i think it is to be decided what will happen to

led by bin laden with khalid sheikh mohammed as the mastermind i think so how did i but instead it was behind that you know were the what's the deal with one hundred grand. i'm not an expert on that particular piece of information but there's no evidence that i've seen that suggests that pakistan's government or military was behind nine eleven it would be a disaster if that was it right so i don't think we're going to we're going to find out but there's a broader concern where pakistan is not a reliable partner with us and. we as a result have to do things unilaterally sometimes and that's why we've had to send our own intelligence and military forces into parts of pakistan at times as we as we just did and i think that's appropriate will the death of bin laden change al qaeda significantly if it's an important blow to al qaeda. and it's an important blow in a. stream of events that has been good for us and bad for al qaeda we've had some really important mentum against al qaeda over the past couple years we've. killed a large number of al qaeda leaders in pakistan thanks to their bomb

the document side chamberlain -- document site is khalid sheikh mohammed, prisoner at the facility thatd hell storm would break out if we killed bin laden. bin laden said they have one. what do we have? wikileaks says and this is from the harry back guy. nukes. the u.s. government has said they have nukes. al-qaeda and osama bin laden have said, they've got nukes. i want to make sure that we're clear on that one. shoot him dead. do they have nukes? did they take out the nipple clamps jack bauer style? nukes, can we get a little information? things are off here. that brings us to option. poll numbers. that would be a possible with every president. especially president like bush or obama. the poll numbers are down. you had a chance. do it. option number two, something went wrong or we have missing information. this is plausible, i don't think probable. third graders are in the white house. we have seen, we know what they are doing. there is not wild incompetence in the white house. then destabilize the world and the middle east. wait a minute, wait a minute. can we go back over here. can

, and they are getting some information from khalid shaikh mohammed, but then they come up to a courier whose nickname they knew. and they asked khalid sheikhammed and another detainee who was a messenger, himself, for bin laden, do you know this guy? h and they say, no, no, no he is not important, no big deal. meanti meantime their own intelligence work shows that he was a protege of ksm, so ksm knew exactly who he was and how important he was and in lying to the cia, it gave them a clue that, gee, this courier might be important. but they still didn't have his name, brooke. they only had a nickname to go on, so then they had to kind of track him down. >> well, it is fascinating what the interrogation folks do, and l listen for the key phrases and names, and what they don't hear which is key in this case. and there was mounting evidence that they didn't have a visual on osama bin laden at this particular compound and in your article you cite from the source that they had 60 to 80% that bin laden was actually in there. >> exactly. they really didn't know. and in fact, when they took this to the president, it was clear that this was what the

and that goes back to whether water boarding, khalid sheikh mohammed where this information came from was waterboarded 183 times. it raises the question, kid it work? >> let's step back for a second. first off, say what happened in this raid shows that the coordination that didn't happen in 2001. the reason we got attacked in many respects was a breakdown in defenses and a lack of coordination between the fbi and the cia. that was a colossal failure by our government. in this case there was tremendous coordination that resulted in a huge victory for american security. rather than emphasizing the negative, that is a huge difference and to spend all this time going backwards and refighting the battles before, this is what what the congressman was getting at. to spend so much time and energy to debate those point when we should be seizing on this momentum and trying to cripple al qaeda. >> why not give credit. everybody participated in this. both administrations did good things, both administrations did bad things. the real credit goes to the intelligence community, the united states mil

in fact, not only did the use of enhanced interrogationhalid techniques on khalid sheikh us mohammeddid not provide us witn tea leaves on bin laden's carrier, abu othman. and actually produced false and misleading information. specifically told his interrogators that abu othman hd had moved to posh water, gothawt married and ceased his role as an al qaeda facilitator, which was not true as we now know.alle through the use of waterboarding and enhanced interrogation techniques against khalid sheikh mohammed was confirmation of the already known fact that the courier existing and used an of alias. senat i've sat further information from the staff of the senate intelligence committee and theys have confirmed in fact the best from the detainee, information l bin laden was obtained through standard noncoercive means, not. through any enhanced interrogation technique. tortu in short, it was not torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading detainees but that is the major themes that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find osama bin laden.orrect i hope former attorney general casey

the cia would sit down with khalid sheikh mohammed and say okay we can waterboard you or give you sixe. and by the way we are going to put you on oprah way is she talking about? doesn't it tell you about the condition of the media today. this woman has two tv shows now? >> sean: i didn't know that the media this week did not focus at all -- the only reason we were able to kill bin laden sunday gitmo, enhanced interrogation, rendition, black sites, all of these tactics that barack obama himself opposed. there's plenty of praise now for general president obama. roll the tape. >> president obama turned into general obama and ran this incredible, incredible raid. it took a lot of guts, the kind of thing you do see in hollywood movies. >> this is the best night of his presidency. we are going to hear more about obama got osama. >> president bush tried. president clinton tried. but barack obama had the courage and the guts and the coolness and took that -- >> sean: none of it would have happened but for george w. bush enhanced interrogation, rendition, black sites. they don't touch it. they

we know from numerous press reports, enhanced interrogation techniques of khalid sheikh mohammed havecode name of this courier. military tribunals in place that we were not under requirement to engage in a, quote, speedy trial, but could milk the people as much as we could. the presence of git plough. you heard from don rumsfeld, under don rumsfeld, he went to transform the military and greatly increase the capacity and the numbers and the funding for our special operators of which our seals are one of several units. and i have a personal relationship with a lot of the seals and seal team six. and finally, intelligence reform which cut down the walls that separated our civilian and military and even within the intelligence community, separated intelligence agencies from cooperating. the cia and the geospacial agency and others were all part of this effort to track down, to go from the courier, the flick name to his real name, to who he was to where he lived and to, surprise, surprise, a compound that harbored osama bin laden. >> we need to have another debate about rendition, but blac

people went and died not for ayman al zawahri or khalid sheikh mohammed but for osama bin laden. >> hetill has great appeal as an inspiration. his challenge beyond staying alive is to remake an organization made up of scattered factions. ravaged by death. michael holmes, cnn, atlanta. >>> record floods are swallowing parts of the u.s. southeast right now forcing evacuations and interstate shutdowns and people are bracing for more. that's coming up next. it's true. you never forget your first subaru. then...over time... become dull... and lose their luster because washing in the bargain brand can leave dirt from the wash on your clothes causing your whites to get dingy. new improved tide plus bleach helps to remove the dirt in one wash to bring your whites back to bright. turning white-ish to...wow. tide plus bleach. style is an option. clean is not. also try tide stain release, the in-wash booster from tide. >>> a look at our top stories right now. the water is rising by the minute and so, too, is concern for residents live ag lon the mississippi river. thousands across six states have

khalid sheikh mohammed provided information invaluable to us.hange did come to the middle east of course but hardly as osama bin laden would have envision edit. that and more from my look back at the first decade on the war on terror on special report with bret bair at 6:00pm. martha. martha: when you think of this unfolding in the middle east it's quite a tale. we look forward to that on special report. you have a growing number of congressman asking very tough new yes, sir about our relationship with pakistan. and whether or not its government knew about osama bin laden's whereabouts and if so for how long. former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton joins us moments from now about what this means for our country. supposedly is pakistan an ally in the war on terror. he has an interesting take on that. arlene howard lost his son when the towers fell but gained a very special connection to president burn. she will join us in the next hour with her powerful story for the long search for the leader. >> i can hear you, and the rest of the world