then there was the controversy over shake mohammed, khalid sheikh mohammed. wanted to stop the waterboarding at that point. >> no. i wanted to bring khalid sheikh mohammed to guantanamo out of the shadows. tell the people we had the mastermind of 9/11. the united states doesn't disappear people. >> bill: he didn't want that. he wanted to could it secretly. he thought i would get more al qaedas. >> khalid sheikh mohammed was past his intelligence value we were told. >> bill: why didn't cheney in your opinion when you in this difference of opinion i'm sure you listened to his point of view? >> did i, of course. >> bill: why didn't he want a public exposition of what mohammed had done and what he was doing. >> i don't know. >> he never told you. >> his view was once you started down that road you would begin to unravel the entire operation. we still had some of these people that we needed for intelligence value. but my point to him and the president ultimately agreed is that we had done nothing to be ashamed of. >> bill: he didn't want any exposition of what the

he also wanted to try khalid sheikh mohammed, the admitted mastermind who said he is guilty of planning the 9/11 attacks, he admitted his guilty, he wanted to give him a civilian trial in lower manhattan, essentially across the street from where where khalid sheikh mohammed realized his dream and killed 3 innocent americans. shocking. >> brown: but the drone attacks? do you support snows >> well, i admit... i agree the president has made tactical good... some good tactical decisions. he made a good decision on the use of drones, he also made a good decision to take out bin laden and also al-awlaki who was the chief recruiter of major hassan the fort hood shooter and i appreciate that. but he's made powerfully strategic blunders that will be felt for years into the future. that's the problem. >> brown: switching subjects here, domestic. today was the original deadline for the so-called supercommittee. it didn't reach a deal. you criticized the president for lack of leadership on that. what would president bachmann have done to force a deal? >> well, last summer when we were looking at ra

. >> eric: there were several, 1060 wartboardings of khalid sheikh mohammed who in one waterboarding- courier of bin laden. so they took the ball and round with it and found him. >> kimberly: right. that led to the compound. that is documented. >> bob: is that the best you can do? it's torture and un-american and unconstitutional. >> eric: people behind it -- >> bob: they should have gone to jail. yelling, loud music. the parking dogs -- >> kimberly: a caterpillar on your shoulder. >> bob: i am talking about waterboarding. >> dana: what if it was something else? you would have picked something else. >> bob: dogs barking i would consider that torture. >> eric: they go through this. you know what the bigger question is? the debate -- >> brian: the debate question is sensational like the one given to president in hawaii. the bigger question we get a guy today and he is a high value target. what do we do with them? we whip out the army manual available online to know how to defend against it. a bad strategy. political move. so what i'm saying is right now if we get a guy tomorrow, where

and our best chance to find osama bin laden at that time was khalid shei khalid sheikh mohammed who refused >> when you look @ fact that even senator john mccain said that he doesn't agree with waterboarding and, in fact, he was -- made this statement about his fellow republicans. said he was very disappointed by statements supporting waterboarding. waterboarding is torture. this is john mccain, the land standing barrier. >> watching the debate i got the sense they weren't debating to be the republican presidential nominee but auditioning to be the next grand exquizisto. he would talk with reluctance to use whatever techniques are necessary to elicit the information. this went well beyond that. it was almost lustful about the benefits of waterboarding. and i think that you're seeing a republican party ha that has gone significantly beyond where bush and cheney were. >> maybe they are trying, mr. alexander to pander to some extreme crowd because they have an uphill battle to put either of their either credentials against him. may, successful raid on osama bin laden. september. the death of a

among the detainees they say this is affecting the confessed 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed.immediate response from the defense department. well, a new government report finds that there are enough pain killers on the market now to give every american adult a dose of vicodin every four hours for the next month. every one of us. and it's coinciding with an increasingly deadly epidemic. according to the centers for disease control and prevention based in atlanta, there are now more deadly prescription pain killer doses than fatal heroin and cocaine overdoses combined. john roberts has been researching this. is he live in our atlanta newsroom at the home of the cdc. and, john, they are reporting there that doctors are now more of a problem really than dealers on the street. >> irresponsible doctors even responsible doctors, people at home. everybody is partly responsible. the whole thing is just a mess. first of all, let's take a look at that shocking statistic from the centers from disease control. 2008. the last year which there are reliable numbers. look at this, 14800 people

is he one of three high value detainees to be waterboarded by the cia including khalid sheikh mohammede self-architect of 9/11. it seemed today that the cia interrogation program will be on trial in the case. through one of his case the judge asked for his position on the death penalty, how he would define torture and if he found evidence of torture, would he report bush administration officials to an international court for prosecution? >> one of the very powerful arguments that we intend to make at every stage of the proceedings by torturing him the united states has really lost all moral authority to try and kill him. >> i am confident the military commission that was convened here today to try the charges against mr. al nashiri referred to it will answer the call with fairness and with justice. >> the u.s.s. cole prosecution is seen as a test run for the 9/11 case because both of them involved a cia detention program, shep? >> shepard: catherine herridge live at guantanamo bay. >> fox weather alert now. and what the national weather service is calling epic and life threatening stor

in conclusion, khalid sheikh mohammed and all those who buy into what he's selling present a threat to us far different than any common criminal. and our laws should reflect that. senator levin and mccain, you've created a legal system for the first time in ten years that recognizes we're fighting a war within our values. i hope we get a strong bipartisan vote for the tools in this bill. with that, i yield. a senator: mr. president? mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from colorado. mr. udall: how much time do we have remaining? the presiding officer: the senator has 15 1/2 minutes. mr. udall: before i recognize senator durbin for eight minutes, i want to respond to my friend, the senator from south carolina. mr. mccain: question: how much time on this side? the presiding officer: five minutes remain. mr. udall: the senator from south carolina is broadly admired in the united states senate. if i'm ever in court, i want him to be my lawyer. i would point out what i'm proposing wouldn't destroy the system we have in place, a system that resulted in the convictions of numero

in conclusion, khalid sheikh mohammed and all those who buy into what he's selling present a threat to us far different than any common criminal. and our laws should reflect that. senator levin and mccain, you've created a legal system for the first time in ten years that recognizes we're fighting a war within our values. i hope we get a strong bipartisan vote for the tools in this bill. with that, i yield. a senator: mr. president? mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from colorado. mr. udall: how much time do we have remaining? the presiding officer: the senator has 15 1/2 minutes. mr. udall: before i recognize senator durbin for eight minutes, i want to respond to my friend, the senator from south carolina. mr. mccain: question: how much time on this side? the presiding officer: five minutes remain. mr. udall: the senator from south carolina is broadly admired in the united states senate. if i'm ever in court, i want him to be my lawyer. i would point out what i'm proposing wouldn't destroy the system we have in place, a system that resulted in the convictions of numero

then, you tie it in with khalid sheikh mohamed's pleading, the very fact that they would sign such a document recognizing the holy trinity, according to khalid sheikh mohamed and his interpretation of the koran, that's justification for killing and terrorizing people that believe in the holy, undivided trinity. there's a war going on and in libya, apparently, we fought for people who want to destroy us. the al qaeda flag now flies proudly over this federal building in benghazi, libya. congratulations to this administration for making that happen. with that, madam speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the chair lays before the house an enrolled bill. the clerk: h.r. 818, an act to direct the secretary of the interior to allow for prepayment of repayment contracts between the united states and the uenta water conservancy district. the speaker pro tempore: under the speaker's announced policy of january 5, 2011, the chair recognizes the gentleman from illinois, mr. jackson, for 30 minutes. mr. jackson: i thank you, madam speaker. tonight i want to spe

of conversation and have engaged with my counterparts -- >> we had a conversation about k khalid sheikh mohammed. he was an enemy combatants who would be -- simply because it was ill suited case choice. not affect the weekend use article iii courts for someone like him. if you tried to bring this guy back to the united states and put him in civilian court and a military commission inside the united states, hell is going to break out. if we let him go and turn him to the iraqis it is like letting him go. this would be a huge mistake. he is charged with killing five americans and at the end of the day i try to be as practical as i know how to be. it would be a national disgrace to allow this car to escape justice. the only option available to this nation is gitmo because there is bipartisan opposition to creating confinement facilities in the united states. i beg and plead with this administration to create an option that is viable and the only viable option is to use guantanamo bay. let's talk about guantanamo bay. the you believe it is a humanely run prison? >> i have been to guantanamo as the f

. >> we had a conversation about k khalid sheikh mohammed and how would be ill-advised to put him in that court in new york city. it would not go over well because it was ill suited case choice. not the fact that you can't use article iii accords. just not for someone like him. if you try to bring this guy back to the united states into civilian court using a military commission inside the united states the whole hill will break out and if we let him go and turn him over to the iraqis is just like letting him go. it would be a huge mistake. he is charged with killing five americans and at the end of the day i tried to be as practical as i know how to be. it would be a national disgrace to allow this guy to escape justice and the only option available to this nation is gitmo because there is bipartisan opposition to creating confinement in the united states and i beg and plead with this administration to create an option that is viable and the only viable option is to use guantanamo bay. let's talk about guantanamo bay. do you believe it is a humanely run prison? >> i have been to gua

. >> we had a conversation about khalid sheikh mohammed and how i thought it would be ill advised to put him in new york city federal court because he was an enemy combatants. i think it did not go over well simply because it was an ill- suited case joyce, not the fact that you cannot use article ii courts. mr. attorney general, if you try to bring him back to the united states and bring into a civilian court or and military commission inside the united states, holy hell will break out. if you turn them over to the iraqis, it would be like letting go. it is a huge mistake. charged with killing five americans. at the end of the day i tried to be as practical as i -- it would be a disgrace to allow this guide to escape justice. the only option available to this nation is gotmo because there is bipartisan opposition to creating confinement in the united states. i beg and plead for this administration to create an option that is viable, and the only viable option is to use guantanamo bay. guantanamo bay -- the believe it is humanely run? >> i have been to guantanamo and as the facility i

as president of the united states have someone who is a terrorist and waterboarding rustam khalid sheikh mohammed the admitted mastermind of 9/11 and it was said later by the vice president that we did extract useful information from him that helped prevent other incidents, if i had knowledge that we could use something like above waterboarding to be able to save the american people would use that? use i would because it doesn't kill anyone. is it uncomfortable? is it is uncomfortable but i am more concerned we would prevent aircraft from going into the twin towers taking them down and taking out 3,000 innocent american lives than i am about the comfort level of a terrorist and what that means for them because this is done under an altered conditions where is it uncomfortable? yes i do not deny it is uncomfortable with the person is not going to lose their life nor will they be permanently injured or in pairs by this. and it is done on very unique and strict circumstances. >> here's the of the problem. what is president obama doing today? >> we no longer have the interrogators. the cia interrogat

. >> we had a conversation about khalid sheikh mohammed and how i thought it would be ill advised to put him in new york city federal court because he was an enemy combatants. i think it did not go over well simply because it was an ill- suited case joyce, not the fact that you cannot use article iii courts. not for somebody like him. mr. attorney general, if you try to bring him back to the united states and bring into a civilian court or and military commission inside the united states, holy hell will break out. if you turn them over to the iraqis, it would be like letting him go. it is a huge mistake. he is charged --charged with killing five americans. at the end of the day i tried to be as practical as i -- it would be a disgrace to allow this guide to escape justice. the only option available to this nation is gotmo because there is bipartisan opposition to creating confinement in the united states. i beg and plead for this administration to create an option that is viable, and the only viable option is to use guantanamo bay. guantanamo bay -- the believe it is humanely run? >>

in conclusion, khalid sheikh mohammed and all those who buy into what he's selling present a threat to us far different than any common criminal. and our laws should reflect that. senator levin and mccain, you've created a legal system for the first time in ten years that recognizes we're fighting ' war within our values. i hope we get a strong bipartisan vote for the tools in this bill. with that, i yield. >> mr. president? mr. president?nt? >> the senator from colorado. >> how much time do we have remaining? >> the senator has 15 and a half minutes. >> before i recognize senatormr durbin for eight minutes, i want to just respond to -- >> how much time on this side? >> five minutes remaining. >> senator from south carolina'm broadly admired in the united states senate. if i'm ever in court, i want him to be my lawyer. i what i'm proposing wouldn't destroy the system that we have in place, a system, by the way, that's resulted in the convictions of numerous terrorists with life sentences. what i am asking is to listen to those who are on the front lines and fighting against terrorists

the -- in this case in terms of what happened with waterboarding coming you had people like khalid sheikh mohammedho ordered 183 times. another person -- i'm sorry, i think 100 times and another person was actually waterboarded 83 times three times orie that is not true. sheik mohammed was waterboarded with 83 times in one month. now this went beyond what was described in the o.j. minow and the session went beyond 40 minutes. this information we have confirmed. so, given the fact that you have the sections going over 40 minutes, 183 sessions in one month. what did you consider that to be credible evidence to support a formal investigation of torture? >> with respect, jonathan, there were of leased to investigations we are aware of and as careful lawyers, we knew something now including the lawyers in the justice department and believe me it's been a love to prosecute people they believe broke the law and would like to make the case. but to set of korean prosecutors who investigated this and decided not to go forward. if we believe in the rule of law and there's enough political people we have a co

president of the united states had someone who was a terrorist in the waterboarding was done on khalid sheikh mohammedmmittee admitted mastermind of 9-1-1 and then with the bitter by the vice president and we did extract useful information from him that helps prevent other incidents. if i had knowledge that we could use some game like a waterboarding to be able to save the american people, what i'd use that? efa weight because waterboarding does not kill anyone. it's an uncomfortable? yes, it's uncomfortable. i am more concerned we would prevent aircraft from going into the twin towers, taking them down and taking up 3000 innocent american lives than i am about the comfort level by the terrorists and what that means for them. again, this is done under monitored conditions. it's uncomfortable? yes, i do not deny, but a person will not lose their life, nor would they be permanently injured or permanently impaired by this. and it is done on theory unique, strict circumstances. the >> and here's the other problem. what is that the president obama is doing today? we no longer had the cia interrogators. cia

years, america has captured or killed two dozen high-level al qaeda operatives, including khalid sheikh mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the september 11 attacks, 9/11 attacks, was captured in a raid on a house in the pakistani garrison city of rahla pendi near the capital, islamabad. it includes ramsi bin alshid, the key facilitator of the 9/11 attacks. sheikh said masri, a leader of al qaeda, was killed in a u.s. drone strike. and most importantly, our exceptional intelligence teams and armed services have tracked down and killed osama bin laden, the founder and head of al qae al qaeda. citizens may fairly ask, and they do ask, given that we have successfully pursued our original two missions, isn't it time to bring our sons and daughters home? our citizens remind us that the u.s. has been at war in afghanistan for over ten years, the longest war in american history. our citizens recognize that the war in afghanistan has come at a terrible price. more than 1,200 americans have died from snipers, from improvised explosive devices and other deadly weapons of war. more than 6,700 americans hav

so they had the great idea -- they had a great idea, let's take khalid sheikh mohammed to new york city. that was a great idea. let's have $300 million in security costs while they have a trial at one of the most -- of the most notorious international criminals. obviously that one got the support that -- that it deserved. we now have, thanks to the release policy of guantanamo, 27% of the detainees of guantanamo who have been released are back in the fight trying to kill americans. only this time, they've got a red badge of courage and a degree of legitimacy because they are -- spent time in guantanamo bay. leaders of al qaeda have been released from guantanamo bay under this administration. now, they were released under the bush administration as well, to be fair, but we didn't know at that time how many of them would return to the fight. so some of the leaders in yemen that we're speaking about that -- that are now doing everything they can to kill americans were released from guantanamo bay. that can't be viewed as a successful policy. 30 individuals in guantanamo today are -- are ye

sheikh mohammad khatami was waterboarded 183 times in one -- khalid shaikh mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in one month. this is some of the information we have confirmed. given the fact that you have sessions going over 40 minutes, 183 sessions in one month, would you consider that the evidence to support a formal investigation of torture? >> with respect, there were at least two investigations i am aware of, and as careful lawyers, we know something now, including evidence you describe. we had career lawyers who would love to prosecute people who they believe bristol all and would like to make -- who they believe broke the law. they decided not to go forward. we believe in the role all. we have to accord a considerable level of credibility to those results. >> de you believe right now that waterboarding 100 to the -- 183 times in 30 days would be enough to you to say we need to investigate this new information? >> presented this way, and these are troubling facts, but what we are missing here, we are a civilized people. if calling it 180-plus waterboarding sections describes a