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testimony against you and now you have to testify carefully and to the point that representative kinzinger was making that's so important, meadows did cooperate with the testimony. he gave them that dynamic that all his techs which were remarkable but stopped cooperating with the committee sort of midstream and so left a lot hanging out there and as adam correctly said prosecutors will be age to get all of that. >> when he stopped cooperating, i mean, how did that actually play out? does he just stop? did his lawyers say we're no longer cooperating? i mean, was there any explanation? >> no, basically it began -- as far as i remember on this a back and forth on negotiations. he'll come in and speak and we went through a month and a half to two months which we know by the way a lot of these witnesses, well, that doesn't work for us. you know, two weeks later let's try this date. and eventually he just kind of went radio out or nordo as we call it in the flying world but we had enough to start that. had we gotten everything, you know, it would have been even more intense but we were able to w

former aide to former representative adam kinzinger.vely quiet about his predecessor donald trump's second indictment. the new york times reports, quote, president biden is telling his advisors -- concluded that commenting on the indictment would only feet into the republican accusations of a politically motivated prosecution. where trump out there pushing this narrative how do you think the biden administration is handling the situation? >>, well i think the president is right on point of the administration, i think when president biden took office he made clear that he was going to keep an arms length distance from the department of justice. he has honored that. the department is acting in the kind of independent way that we did not see under the previous president. and i think that if democrats were to say anything vocally about these charges and it will just fuel the flames of those who think this is a political indictment. and i think if you read the indictment and you listened to special counsel jack smith's. it is anything about

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cnn's political commentator adam kinzinger. and former republican congressman and also a lieutenant colonel in the air national guard. also joining us, cnn contributor, a global fellow at the woodrow center. cnn national security analyst, steve hall, and former cia chief and retired army major general , james spider marks, all joining us tonight for this remarkable scene playing out on the ground in the streets of moscow. steve, can you kind of this in perspective for us, how significant is it that the founder of wagner, and his private mercenary group that russia had been using in ukraine, to capture mood, obviously using these convicts on the ground in ukraine. and he's now essentially declaring war on the russian ministry of defense. >> you know, i think that something has happened up to this point, we could have said that this is one of these well- known putin tactics where he turned people against each other inside of his own government. this is clearly in my view at least, in a different league. when you have somebody lik

congressman kinzinger, i went through your history serving in congress.t i went note, you also wore the uniform and risked your life. when you hear a colleague like bob good saying, even if the former president is convicted, he would support him being back in office, after learning that in bathrooms, on a stage were boxs that included battle plans and nuclear secrets and stuff like that. what goes through your mind when you hear that, given your experience in national security? >> well, it's insane. it's crazy. because, look, we take -- in the military, you take an oath. and that oath well may lead to you giving up your life on behalf of the country. in congress, we take an oath. and probably you're not going to give your life serving that oath, but you represent 700,000 people. and it's -- to sit back and say that my oath requires me to defend a man and not to defend the secrets of the united states, not to defend the constitution of the united states -- look, i have no doubt that bob good has convinced himself that he is fighting a righteous cause. if i

adam kinzinger said that he'd be doing part of his term by now.rack obama had done any of this, how long his term would have been. so, i think that this is an abdication of presidential responsibility because president trump took an oath of office to protect and defend. and we've gone from protect and defend to hide and lie. and that, to me, is the most shocking thing about these revelations. he's not only aware that he has information, which he shouldn't have access to, but he's directing his staff to hide the information and lie for him. and so i think it undercuts certainly admiration for the united states. john bolton, the former national security adviser, conservative, said that trump has done enormous damage to our country. and i believe that to be the case. >> when you read the transcript of the former president saying to a room full of just people who were there to hear from him and suck up to him, none of whom had security clearances, saying, you know, this is highly confidential, it's secret. this is secret information. look. look at thi

turning out to former republican congressman adam kinzinger, adam, you investigated trump when you areary 6 committee, a very different investigation but still, as you read through the indictment, that anything surprise you?>> yes, the whole thing was surprising, i guess we kind of knew leading up that it was going to be bad but this the how obvious it was that the president, the former president, didn't just have classified documents and failed to return them, he and his folks, his co- conspirator here, knew what they were doing, they were trying to avoid even their lawyers finding out what it was. i guess it didn't really surprise me, nothing with donald trump surprises me but what is been more disappointing today is seeing that there is not this -- there should be outrage for my former colleagues in the republican party about what donald trump did and i'm not seeing it right now.>> every time something like this happens, he's been indicted twice but every time he faces investigation or something like that, you hear this talk about how it's only going to boost him with republicans, a

congressman kinzinger, several trump aligned members of congress have accused biden of weaponizing thenate leaders such as mr. mcconnell and john thune have been notably silent, we should note. do you expect any faction of -- i don't want to say moderate republicans because, you know, mitch mcconnell and john thune and mitt romney are not moderate, they're conservative. but sane republicans, i don't know what term to use anymore. but non-maga republicans to vocally and actively distance themselves from trump in the coming days? >> so i think sane, that's what i try to use. governing or actually, you know, country over party republicans. no, i don't think you're going to -- i'm sure mitt romney if he hasn't put out a statement will. you know, there's a few, i think mitch mcconnell will stay quiet. what you'll see, jake, because i've lived this for as many years as donald trump was president, where as a rank-and-file member republican, you're sitting around, probably canceling all your events this weekend, and waiting for somebody to come forward with some powerful nuanced argument that

want to bring in elie honig and adam kinzinger.t there's another piece of what the special counsel is working on related to january 6th. several different elements that people have been trying to pin down. what's your read of things based on who is testifying? >> nobody has access to the president's movements like secret service. so they could have really valuable information, important to know, there is precedent for this back in ken starr's investigation after white water, he wanted to talk to bill clinton's secret service agents. it was resisted in court and there was a ruling that came out saying, no, this is fair game. there is no secret service slash presidential privilege here. >> one thing we don't know that nbc points out is the proximity of these about six or so secret service agents to the president on that day. but the big question is, cassidy hutchinson famously testified before your committee, the january 6th committee, that she heard secondhand that trump wanted secret service agents to drive him to the capitol. she

back with us, adam kinzinger. >> donald trump is the who's whiny, victim, but the strongest person that'sything and all he does is talk, he takes every crisis around the world, where we need to show unity, and he talks down the united states. he thinks because he's only in it for himself, that's it. all he cares about is himself. i see that and i'm like this is a moment when we can have healthy debates about russia and ukraine. but we shouldn't be having the former president take advantage of these moments to divide us. be careful what you wish for, our country is far worse. we don't kill people either, we're so innocent about putin. >> he said that in that interview. >> that's why i was shaking my head. it's just been -- i'm just tired of it. >> can i ask you, specifically, given your service in the armed forces about what will hurd said, it distinguished him from the other republican canada dots who spoke on the weekend but he really on abc yesterday went after the biden administration saying you totally missed an opportunity here, secretary blinken should not go around saying it's an i

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. >> i'm joined by cnn contributor adam kinzinger, former republican congressman of illinois, and memberthe january 6th committee. congressman, last time we spoke was right before desantis announced his candidacy. you said he's not really the best campaigner. do you think his recent back and forth with the former president is working for him? too soon to tell? >> i don't -- look, i think it's important that he goes at the former president to an extent. he's still kind of keeping his powder dry. i mean, he doesn't mention trump by name. he speaks kind of in generic terms, says candidates need to look forward, not backwards. he doesn't talk about donald trump. and, i mean, there's still somehow this belief that some magical pony is going to come into this race and sweep ron desantis in by default. the truth is, you have to go after donald trump, and you can't out-trump trump. and that's what i think ron desantis is trying to do. so i think all you've got to do, frankly, anderson, is take a peek at twitter and watch the desantis and trump camps right now. they're absolutely destroying each

bring some cokes in, please. >> we're joined by cnn political commentator adam kinzinger, former republicanerved on the january 6th committee, and carrie cordero, former counsel to the attorney general for national security. congressman, 2016 then-candidate donald trump ran on the protection of classified information saying, quote, in my administration, i'm going to enforce all laws concerning the classified information. no one will be above the law. you hear this and it's just a joke. >> it's a total joke. hypocrisy through donald trump's whole administration was an everyday occurrence. this is a huge example of that. and, i mean, the whole thing about protected classified information in 2016, we'll just state the obvious, had nothing to do with classified information. it was a way to go after hillary clinton. that's what led to the whole "lock her up" chants and all that kind of stuff. he has no regard for the protection of classified information when he can sit in front of a group of people and impress them with the papers he has. what i thought was interesting is i think he was trying t

. >> congressman adam kinzinger of illinois, the only republican on the january 6th committee other than cheney, says all the threats are part of trump's plan. >> i don't think you can look at the words and actions of donald trump and think that he wanted anything except the explosion of these threats to people. he could stop that in a second if he wanted to, but he liked it. there are a lot of members of congress that i think voted against impeachment because they were scared for their family and for themselves. what does that mean? it means threats of violence worked. >>> up next -- >> they suggested that he use the apparatus of government to seize voting machines. or push through the pain and symptoms? with ubrelvy, there's another option. one dose works fast to eliminate migraine pain. treat it anytime, anywhere without worrying where you are or if it's too late. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. allergic reactions to ubrelvy can happen. most common side effects were nausea and sleepiness. migraine pain relief starts with u. ask about ubrelvy. learn how abbvie could help you

. >> congressman adam kinzinger of illinois, the only republican on the january 6th committee other thanheney says all the threats are part of trump's plan. >> i don't think you can look at the words and actions of donald trump and think that he wanted anything except the explosion of these threats to people. he could stop that in a second if he wanted to. he likes it. there are a lot of members for congress that i think voted against impeachment because they were scared for their family and for themselves. what does that mean? it means threats of violence worked. >> up next. >> they suggested that he use the apparatus of government to seize voting machines. ♪you said close your eyes don't look down♪ ♪fall into me and i'll catch you darling♪ ♪we'll dance in the street♪ ♪ we're talking about cashbackin. not a game. not a game! we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. we're not talking about practice? we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. not a game! we've been talking about practice for too long. -word. -no p

and i do want to salute liz cheney and adam kinzinger along with the other members of the january 6thing reached the two-thirds bench mark, and therefore, donald trump beating the constitutional spread, the only way he was going to be held accountable was for the evidence to get to prosecutors at different levels of our government. >> it seems that the federal investigation, and go there is so much more that we don't know about it than we do. but in terms of what has become public just this week that mark meadows has testified before a grand jury in both of those probes. that's the current understanding based on his accounts. that represents one person, who, although he turn over thousands of text messages which adam kinzinger called one of the blueprints and he describes him as a star witness. you didn't get to talk to him or interview him under oath. how significant is it to you? how much would you have liked to have known everything mark meadows knew in your investigation of january 6th? >> well, our position, of course, was that everybody owed congress his or her truthful testimon

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it's from the trove of texts from mark meadows' phone that adam kinzinger described. the taped up discussions of cassidy hutchinson. let me go through it with you, tim. but let me start with what to me sounded like knowledge of violence. knowledge of specificity of weapons that the insurrectionists were carrying. and as far as what was outward facing, not a real sense of action, not a real plan that was ever revealed to the congressional investigation. this is cassidy hutchinson on that. >> what was mark's reaction, mr. meadows' reaction, to this list of weapon that people had? >> when tony and i went in to talk to mark that morning, mark was sitting on his couch and on his phone which is something typical. it was like what you know, informed him like this is how many people outside with mags right now. this is how many weapons possible. he listed more weapons out there, i just don't recall. and gave him a brief but concise explanation, but also fairly thorough. and i remember distinctly mark not looking up from his phone. i remember tony finishing his explanation. an

let's bring in our experts, elie honig, adam kinzinger and margaret hoover.nice to have you at the table. >> you take your kids to a jungle gym on the weekend when it's raining. >> yes. that's all i do. >> they're constantly screaming and laughing and having fun. that was these guys for the ten minutes before we got on air trying to do television. >> we bring the fun. >> bring that energy to this. >> i said, isn't it loud in here? we're so glad you're here. thank you, thank you, thank you. let me begin legally, elie. it's one thing to hear it, but for your case you were a federal prosecutor, does this help you so much you can hear it? >> back when i was a prosecutor, smart defense lawyers on the first day of the arrest, the first thing they would say, is this a tapes case, do you have tapes? if you did, how bad is it. if i was asked that here, yes and really, really bad. i mean, we just saw donald trump's statement. he says this is exonerating. i mean, i tried to read this and listen to it with a skeptical ear. how would i approach this as a defense lawyer. i

me maura gillespie, as well as former adviser to speaker john boehner and former congressman adam kinzingerf that? >> reporter: well, i think more than anything, chris, it shows that the house republican conference in particular is still pretty solidly behind the former president donald trump, we see them play that out in realtime on a daily basis with the investigations that they have going on into the current president joe biden, and their investigations into the investigations of donald trump as a demonstration as how they're attempting to provide him cover, but these are significant endorsements in one of, if not the most important swing state for the former president. most of the names are not that big of a surprise. these are members of congress who have been solidly behind donald trump since he began his political career. scott perry, the chair of the freedom caucus. the one thing that stood out to me, guy, the republican star in the conference. another member of republican house leadership has picked a candidate in the 2024 race is significant. i also think the other important part

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not because they are saying well, liz cheney, adam kinzinger and jeff flake are saying that, sitting in a denise together. >> maybe. maybe they're in laser place and denny's. >> i happen to love denny's. but listen i agree with you wholeheartedly to that's unfortunately the reality this massive fear of what would my life look like if i wasn't in office? >> i actually don't think that's correct here because if they all jumped, this is been the contradiction of the republican party since day one of the trump era of politics. if they all jumped together they would win. they would defeat donald trump. they would defeat this rather evil thread in all politics today, but their inability to not only show that moral courage but also any semblance of coordination is what will potentially, lead more likely than not to yet another donald trump nomination. that's what makes this next presidential election all that much more important. >> powerful thoughts. i disagree with max rose on teams pearls and he shoots in view of denny's but other than that, powerful. stuff we come back after 15 months o

let's bring in former congressman adam kinzinger. lieutenant colonel in the air national guard.an, thanks for being here. what's your reaction to what's unfolding in russia tonight? >> it's not entirely surprising, only because, you know, as we've seen in russia in the past, it always ends with coup attempts. there's always this internal strife in russia. i certainly didn't, i don't think anybody predicted what we'd be seeing tonight, certainly you saw prigozhin in the leadup being very outspoken against the ministry of defense. there was kind of the expectation that maybe some of this was a game or just power politics. but this has certainly gone to the next level. so this is actually really good for ukraine in the long run. frankly, for the world. because regardless of what ends up happening with this, the wagner group is probably going to be out of action around the world. >> i guess i'm heartened to hear that. chaos in russia doesn't always sound great for the world. so chaos in russia where the military, whatever move is happening is precarious, you're confident that would

congressman adam kinzinger earlier today was saying that maybe people are laying low, seeing if somebody comes up with a line that everybody can kind of glom on to use to defend the former president. what do you think they are going to -- what do you think their response is going to be? >> well, look, i think -- i give them credit. they're looking at the facts. they're keeping their powder dry. because they're realizing, this is actually quite serious stuff. it's easy to say, oh, there's a double standard. and maybe there is. but, again, the burden of proof on the department of justice is to show that there isn't. that is a paramount issue here. otherwise they're going to get killed in the court of public opinion. they're looking at the facts, looking at the reality of what the indictment is. and it's obviously very severe. based on the conversations that were said, this isn't hearsay. these are the presidents words. not to let the documents out. and as governor christie brought up on your show a little bit ago, he had every chance to bring them back. he had every chance to return them.

different people, a lot of my colleagues, and that is not to take anything away from liz cheney or adam kinzingero showed extra conviction and extra courage in what they did. everybody who stands up for democracy should be embraced for doing that. i think we have to use the word fascism because it is obviously a loose -- it is obviously loose all over the world today with all of its ideological, you know, viruses, racism and anti-semitism and misogyny. and all of these things are out there. that gives us all the opportunity to go and fight for the things we believe in every single day. i tell the young people, they are growing up in a much tougher time than i grew up, much tougher. but they also have the opportunity to prove their love for the things they believe in. jenna: just recently, we started getting some convictions, sentencing. big news surrounding the january 6 insurrection of course. can you talk little bit about, especially in your role having served as impeachment manager, what these convictions mean for the conversation and where it goes from here and why they are so important? rep.

congressman adam kinzinger earlier today was saying that maybe people are laying low, seeing if somebody comes up with a line that everybody can kind of glom on to use to defendant the former president. what do you think they are going to -- what do you think their response is going to be? >> well, look, i think -- i give them credit. they're looking at the facts. they're keeping their powder dry. because they're realizing, this is actually quite serious stuff. it's easy to say, oh, there's a double standard. and maybe there is. but, again, the burden of proof on the department of justice is to show that there isn't. that is a paramount issue here. otherwise they're going to get ki killed in the court of public opinion. they're looking at the facts, looking at the reality of what the indictment is. and it's obviously very clear. based on the conversations that were said, this isn't hearsay. these are the presidents words. and as governor christie brought up on your show a little bit ago, he had every chance to bring them back. he had every chance to return them. he chose not. this is pur

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adam kinzinger, now a retired house republican on this show described mark meadows as their star witnessmark meadows. what he's shared was of vital importance. do you have any sense that there was one investigation that took priority over the other based on the other reporting in "the times" about who's been in most recently? because the story today also has a great deal of reporting on his role in the final days including the packing of trump's personal items. >> no, i -- as we say in the story, you know, it was unclear which investigation he was, you know, testifying to or both. obviously he's important to both of them, but you raise an important point, which until today when we were working on this reporting, i had almost forgotten, which was the importance of the meadows text messaging. the meadows text messages really served as a -- the word game changer may be too much, but an important moment to the committee where it was able to gain a larger understanding of what was going on around trump in the lead-up to and during january 6th. and that served as an important blueprint for i t

in this incidence, kinzinger describes john eastman's memo, a coup in writing as, quote, a blueprintor a coup. where do you assess the january 6th case based on what is outward facing a and the kinds of people that are going in and out of the grand jury? >> yeah, it's looking really bad for trump. i don't know that i want to go as far as andrew did and say it's 100% certain that donald trump will be indicted there have certainly been hundreds of indictments already that the justice department has brought about january 6th. but prosecuting january 6th is another level because the president is going to say -- former president is going to say i was acting as president. you don't want to criminalize government action. all sorts of stuff, which wasn't available to him when it comes to the classified stolen documents at mar-a-lago. there is no claim that trump was acting as president, you know, when he obstructed the investigation or retained, willfully retained these documents. he had already been voted out of the office, at least for those of us in the reality-based community. we knew he