>> it was not. >> the kkk wasn't a hate group either? >> it as term that had nothing to do with one's political or racial views prior to the -- >> and you don't think that the attitudes you just expressed might generate the kind of hatred that could lead to the violence perpetrated by people like mr. page? >> i think mr. page -- i don't know his motives actually. i think he from what i gather he wanted to commit suicide and take a few people with him. he certainly wasn't helping us. he wasn't helping our cause by going into a temple and shooting up -- >> you stand by. i got you loud and clear. i will come back to you. our next guest, commander jeff scoop is commander of the neonazi group called the national socialist movement which he says rejects the label hate group as well. why, mr. scoop? why reject it? why not embrace it? >> well, we are not a self-described hate group as what you had said there. we are a white civil rights organization. nobody in our movement or cause refers to it as a hate group. when you stand up for white intere

i wouldn't let the kkk adopt a highway. sheldon siegel says they should be allowed to adopt it only if they can be paved under it. >> eric nelson, how do we know they're not doing this to win sympathy. chris jones, yes they can adopt well. that's a good point, you know, right? >> yeah, sure. >> bill: john carter says sure! let them adopt it. because then everybody will know where to dump their trash. [ laughter ] >> bill: pile up your trash and cake it down to the kkk highway. >> they may have swayed me with that one. >> bill: he heard the kkk changed its mind when they realized the highway was paved with black asphalt. bill is happy with yesterday's combination of meredith shiner and lynn sweet. they were great, he says especially on together. yeah. they are. we'll bring them back. >> announcer: this is the "bill >>. >> in the house, we have about 140 co-sponsors of the bill, bi-partisan sponsors of the legislation and we want to offer it as an amendment to the farm bill on the floor if that ever comes up in the house. >>

1m is they gave it to one group and took another article framing it as the issue of free-speech this kkk but we stand for free speech. same organization we know the background, a two different reactions. to despite their opinion of people who saw the public safety frame not so much. so together that is the essence of a frame. some information in some out and that angle tells the story. all frames when disseminated goes to a wider audience. alltel a particular story but an almost tells the exact same story only with characters change. good guy and a bad guy. always a political problem. always said argument the good guy belongs the bad guy was the evader. the argument of the good guy was good for society and claimed the other was so ailing society. sometimes it is worse than that. one example is rwanda because the most clear picture we can get to how it is so effective. one radius station would disseminate these messages all societies have conflict but how do get to a brother to kill a brother or a husband to kill a life or doctors to kill patients or students to kill teachers? it is not u

the kkk used to do this. now here is an exclusive report that the history channel had on the kkk.ten to their words. >> we stand in a circle to illuminate the light of christ's work keep it aflame. will you accept this light and pass it on to another brother or sister? >> i will. >> for christ. >> for christ. >> cenk: for christ. the germans in their belt buckle buckles in world war one and world worldworld war ii god is with us! all those who want to start wars and spread intolerance no, no, god is on our side. no, allah is on our side. i don't give a damn what you think god thinks. the reality is we have got to have a rational conversation here about what is right and what is wrong. so when dan cathy comes in here and says i'm a christian and my christianity does not talk about all the other verses in the bible but decides i want to concentrate all of my so-called christianity on discriminating against gays. we're not having that. another guy who is not having it future current tv host john fugelsang. he's with the stephanie miller sexy liberal tour and he's with us right now. h

country, hammered the southern poverty law center which has spent decades fighting hate groups like the kkk. >> corkins was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the southern poverty law center that have been reckless in labeling organizations hate groups because they disagree with them on public policy. >> reporter: corkins had volunteered at a u street center for gay, lesbian and transgendered people. he allegedly said, "i hate your politics" before opening fire and wounding the operations manager at the frc, but gay advocates quickly condemned the violence and were just as quick to condemn perkins' words. >> there's this implication that only the other side from him is in some way giving license to people to become violent when if you look at the evidence, the statistics about hate crimes, that's very much demonstrated not to be the case. >> reporter: corkins shoveled into court in a plastic jumpsuit ill at ease and staring repeatedly into the gallery at a crowd of reporters. is he so far charged with neither terrorism nor hate crime. instead he faces a federal ch

country hammered the southern poverty law center which has spent decades fighting hate groups like the kkk. >> corkins was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the southern poverty law center that have been reckless in labeling organizations hate groups because they disagree with them on public policy. >> reporter: corkins had volunteered at a u street center for gay, lesbian and transgendered people. he allegedly said, "i hate your politics" before opening fire and wounding the operations manager at the frc, but gay advocates have quickly condemned the violence and were just as quick to condemn perkins' words. >> there's this implication that only the other side from him is in some way giving license to people to become violent when if you look at the evidence, the statistics about hate crimes, that's very much demonstrated not to be the case. >> reporter: corkins shuffled into court in a plastic jumpsuit ill at ease and staring repeatedly out into the gallery at a crowd of reporters. he faces a federal charge of interstate transportation of a firearm and ammuniti

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stuart: do you think that vima is as extreme as the kkk or some of the other obvious extremist groupsmentioned? who is going to be speaking? what kind of people are represented here. >> the main spokesperson last night, stuart, on channel 9 in charlotte said that american troops were like, he compared, he said the muslims in afghanistan were defending themselves and it was the american troops that were the insurgents, that were basically the imperialists. this guy is not pro american, he's anti-american. and they have leading the prayers, and i saw in the '90s i saw him pull out a koran in front of 20,000 muslims and said we need to change the constitution with this book from god. basically he's the insurgent and these groups use the veil of political correctness and formed an organization the islamic political party of america in 2008 and since disbanded some of it, but clearly are part of the of global islamic movement and insurgency in this country. >> and presumably that would embarrass the democrats, to have 20,000 people there for weekend long meetings right next to the conventi

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like a grand wizard of the kkk and be a senator from west virginia. i can't defend those things.ding them. the democrats can defend almost anything. this was a stupid thing to say. the three things i just listed were actual point of fact. >> the point of fact is what todd akin had to say was factually incorrect. >> i agree with you. i won't defend it. >> mccaskell has a web site. could he still win? where is this going? >> how big is the far right? there may be a small group of believers who stick with him. that is not enough to be a political force of any kind. there is something to be said for the concept of he has nothing to lose. i think chuck and others here at msnbc wrote that the establishment wasn't necessarily with them in the beginning. maybe he feels he doesn't have anything to lose. it pulls the curtain back on these extreme points of view that people have been willing to come out with some of the folks who got elected from the tea party in 2010 and say anything. whether they had a basis in factor not. i think that's what americans are really getting sick of. it is re

it was an application for the kkk. and i got that application and destroyed it. >> reporter: now we know that wheth when he was in the army before that, he was also expressing to people who knew him well his feelings about white supremacy. so these feelings obviously also continuing into the workplace by leaving that application behind for the ku klux klan. we also heard yesterday from a researcher in nebraska who was doing research on extremist groups. this was about 10 years ago. he actually had some contact with page. and he said at that time page told him he started to sympathize with white supremacy at the time when he was in the military back in the '90s, carol. >> it's just odd that the ku klux klan would have an application. i wonder what kind of questions are on it. >> reporter: yeah. that was a new one on me. i've covered incidents and talked to people in the kkk throughout my career. spanning back a couple of decades. this is the first time i've actually heard about an application. but different groups have

in the white house, male prostitution ring, and democrats in the basement of the white house in the kkk, democrats will defend that. look, this is the one thing and as far as radical -- >> did you just go back and whip barney frank one last time? how far back do you want to go? >> and the fact is -- >> the fact is, this is not a difference of opinion, it's a matter of fact. women do not have spermicidal secretions when they are raped. that's fantasy. that's what todd akin preferred though. >> i want to go back to a strong position rick may hold here. one good shot here. rick, as the republican party leadership, people like romney, the presumed nominee of the party, reince priebus, the chairman of the party, do they no longer enjoy true authority? are they respected as leaders in the party who can say to the republicans in missouri, you shouldn't have this guy as your nominee for senator and therefore, you should find someone else and get him to remove himself? have they lost that authority? >> well, they've all said that. look, it's governed not only by party rules, it's governed by leg

including leaving an application for the kkk on his desk. known for calling nonwhites dirt people.ve learned that the discharged army vet bought his 9-millimeter semiautomatic handgun legally within 10 days of the shooting. two of the three surviving victims are still in the hospital that includes the oak creek police lieutenant brian fur if i who is in critical condition shot or 8 or 9 times in the neck and extremities. he was wearing ballistic vest and that may have helped save his life. >> rick leventhal live on scene for us, thanks. police in southern california now say they have arrested a woman who tried to kidnap a newborn girl by hiding that child in a tote bag. investigators say surveillance video shows the woman wearing scrubs. walking into a hospital in garden grove south and east of l.a. posed as a nurse and distracted the newborn's mother. >> she walked into the room, told the mother that the doctor was on her way in to see her. wanted to take a shower or something to that effect. the mother got up, went into the shower and when that happened, she took the newborn and

communication scholars took a kkk rally that wanted to happen in new york and two newspaper articles about it and framed it as an issue of public safety, and it wasn't a safe thing. it was framed as an issue of free speech, we stand for free speech. and gave it to another group. same history of the organization, and background of the organization. two different reactions. people who saw the free-speech frame supported their right to hold a rally despite their opinion about the organization. people who saw the public safety frame not so much. did not support it. had some arguments. together that is the essence of a frame. the idea of some information in and some out and has this kind of angle which tells the story. thome media frames -- not much media but all frames when they get disseminated in mass media they get sent to a wider and wider audience. but all frames tell a particular story. what i found in each of the genocide situations was it almost told the exact same story only with the characters change so there was a good guy and a bad guy. there was always a political problem in

it was an application for the kkk. and i got that application and destroyed it. >> reporter: page grew up and went to high school in littleton, colorado. his grandmother and stepmother still live in denver. >> what has changed him, i have no idea. and obviously, we're never going to know. >> ted, pretty tragic there, but also that shocking revelation about his application for the ku klux klan. have investigators found more information from page, notes he may have left or anything like that? >> reporter: well, no big ah-ha discovery, according to investigators. there was no note left, no -- nothing on a computer. and that's really what is perplexing here. in fact, the police chief here this evening told me that this is one of those situations where they may never know his true motive. >> one thing i know you found a lot more about, ough, ted, his military record. and a lot of people are talking about that having been a crucial part of his life, perhaps, where he may have found out about some of these groups he then join

>>> plus, neo-nazis, white supremacists, the kkk. these groups aren't dying out, they're growing. all morning, we're putting "hate in the usa" in focus. >>> and later, a reported 46 bullets to kill one man. the controversial shooting of a michigan man now has the justice department involved. >>> good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. it is 10:00 on the east coast, 7:00 on the west. thanks for starting your day with us. one of the most powerful men in syria may be on the run. syrian rebels say they are trying to help syrian vice president farouk al sherah defect to neighboring jordan. the key member of president bashar al assad's inner circle has not been seen publicly in weeks. a rebel spokesman says he fled the capital of damascus a week ago, but the state-run media insists the veteran has never thought about leaving. all this as new fighting and shelling breaks out across syria. opposition activists say at least 34 people have been killed already today. >>> turning now to u.s. politics and the race for the white house. we're getting a first look at paul ryan's finances now that

i heard about the kkk and lynching, and about jim crow and first person reports. they saw cross burning. they lost relatives to lynching. with that, they were working class people. she worked as a domestic, he worked as a laborer. and they had been -- they joined the naac. i was active in the youth counsel. i was honor student, in the choir, i had a sense of what was going on. we collected food and books up north to send to the civil rights workers in the south distributes that stuff to the communities. pop died when i was about 12 years old. he was me and her. it was a thing of wanting to be a man of figuring that out and dr. king got killed. i was enraged and angry. the day after this, i went to school, and on the fridges on television you would see sew fee carmichael and browne and bobby seal and newton and the news described them as the black militants. they were talking about black power. i want to back up too, and talk about all of my lessons in black history. i don't want you toy think it was over the dinner table. pa was a working man and he was what they

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that was a time in america where the kkk was very powerful. many think that ku klux klan was designed for others. it was to persecute africans and then jews, and then others. and it played a big, a significant role in politics in the united states, and people were thinking that they were very clear about the rights of minorities. one thing they did in 1984 was giving them full citizenship rights, which does not seem like a lot today, but given what we did to the american indians, that was a big step forward. he was also a very big supporter of women's suffrage, which was quite an issue of that time, as well. this was exactly the opposite of calvin coolidge. he was outgoing and the life of the party. i suspect she had a fair amount to do with that. how many of you are from vermont? about half. this is really part of the vermont character. people do not understand much about vermont. we did not have they governor for 109 consecutive years. i do not think we have changed that much. what we are is libertarian with a strong feeling of what sounds l

. >> running kkk video basically saying that goldwater was a former member. >> there's the question ofhe difference today, however, i believe, the fundamental difference -- social media. a lot of people who are very much at the fringe and didn't have a forum to talk, you know, they come to town meetings maybe and shout. but those folks who are on the fringe now dominate social media and shout so loudly that really thoughtful and intelligent and often mainstream commentary or commentary reasonable on the conservative or liberal side is drowned out by the people that shout so loudly and dominate the social media space and i think undermined thoughtful discussion and dialogue during the campaigns. >> we never talked to you about paul ryan and that pick. you know, we just had trump on. his contention a couple of months back was that paul ryan made a big mistake by coming out with a budget before the election and telling the american people the truth because if you want to get elected you can't tell the truth. you can't lead anymore. >> that's ridiculous. >> can you -- >> absolutely. >> if

that was a time in america when the kkk was very powerful and most of us here in yankee land think the ku klux klan was designed as an organization to persecute african-americans. the truth was the kkk was first invented in the midwest to persecute catholics and then jewish and african-americans and calvin coolidge, and they also played a big significant role in politics in the united states. people were afraid to publicly contradict them and coolidge had no problem supporting and being very clear about the rights of minorities. one of the extraordinary things that he did in 1924 was giving a american indians full citizenship rights which doesn't sound like much today but given that in our history of what we did the american indians that was a major step forward. he was also a very big supporter of women's suffrage which was quite an issue at that time as well. if you know anything about grace his wife who is exactly the opposite of calvin coolidge who is outgoing and the life of the party, i suspect she probably had a fair amount to do with that. but if you think about this -- how man

by no means can you say just because of a statement like that this is the same as the kkk. hate, isn't it? it's hate spewing hate. would you agree or disagree with that? >> i would disagree saying that -- you can agree or disagree with the position but saying it's spewing hate and that we are going to therefore label you a hate group, that's totally irresponsible. i think the american people understand this. and this tragedy highlights how irresponsible something like this is. >> are you concerned now about your organization, the national organization for marriage? >> i think throughout the country we've all tightened up our security measures even before this. we've received death threats. we had package sent to us a week ago that was clearly intended to intimidate us. we thought it was a bomb scare. we're going back to the d.c. police and saying this stuff needs to be investigated. so of course we are. but it's not going to stop us. the key point is that in america we disagree, we debate, we don't try to silence folks that we disagree with and it's just completely unaccept

that was a time in america when the kkk was very powerful and most of us here in yankee land think the ku klux klan was designed as an organization to persecute african-americans. the truth was the kkk was first invented in the midwest to persecute catholics and then jewish and african-americans and calvin coolidge, and they also played a big significant role in politics in the united states. people were afraid to publicly contradict them and coolidge had no problem supporting and being very clear about the rights of minorities. one of the extraordinary things that he did in 1924 was giving a american indians full citizenship rights which doesn't sound like much today but given that in our history of what we did the american indians that was a major step forward. he was also a very big supporter of women's suffrage which was quite an issue at that time as well. if you know anything about grace his wife who is exactly the opposite of calvin coolidge who is outgoing and the life of the party, i suspect she probably had a fair amount to do with that. but if you think about this -- how man

a employer that had fired page had found a application to the local kkk. it is left for us to surmise that the leanings toward white supremacy led to what happened. >> we have the rest of your headlines here. arizona shooting suspect jared loughner is in court today and expected to plead guilty in the massacre that left people dead and injured congressman gany - on gabby giffords. the judge must find he is legally competent and understands what happened. in afghanistan terror attack in kabul. a homicide bomber drove a pick up truck filled with explosive in the gates. no one was killed. the taliban is claiming responsibility for the attack. it didn't stop there. new video in kabul shows a road side bomb. they were traveling in a minibus when it went off. mitt romney's campaign scoring more cash than the president for the third month. president obama and the dnc raising 37 million . romney raising 101 million. president obama acknowledged the woes to the supporters nasa curiosity rover on mars. this is video shot of the rover as it was landing on the red pla

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