why did the kkk get between three and 5 million members 1915 through 1926? how was that there were six governors or 17 senators or 75 congressman who remembers the kkk? how was that there were 103 ballots at the dnc driven by the fact 347 delegates who would not vote for al smith and irish catholic? how is it the 50000 klansmen marched down avenue? anxiety about crime? anxiety about a shifting economy from a largely agrarian and understandably industrial one to a more complicated one? the introduction of a national culture with the spread of radio 1921 think about it. if you were in a red state you totally control the media's information the experiences that your family had until about 1922. and then to have the world come into your home and to programming things in new york and hollywood. it was disorienting and a reaction to that disorientation was fear. and fear is what drives fear like our own that it is the anxiety produced by the law of what we love and what happened from 1915 through through 1925 is largely what is happening today. a fear among an ext

there was no southern sheriff who would arrest a member of the kkk. there was no southern jury that would convict or white that would testify. there were hundreds, maybe thousands of murders of blacks that went on prosecuted. grant met a very crusading attorney general. ackerman brought 3000 indictments and got more than 1000 convictions. it was his greatest achievement as president. the kkk we know is from the resurgence of the clan from the 19 teens and 20s. and they borrowed a lot of the techniques and ideology of the original kkk. >> why were there so many corruption scandals was he complicit? did he turn a blind eye or was he just oblivious to what was going on? >> he was incredibly nacve.i will tell a story from his childhood. when he was a boy, his father wanted to buy a horse so he told ulysses to go to this farm and he gave him instructions. he said offer $20 to the farmer. if he doesn't take it off for $22.50. and he still doesn't take it, offer $25. so ulysses goes to the farmer and says my father says i should offer $20 and if you don't ta

why did the kkk get between three and 5 million members 1915 through 1926?how was that there were six governors or 17 senators or 75 congressman who remembers the kkk? how was that there were 103 ballots at the dnc driven by the fact 347 delegates who would not vote for al smith and irish catholic? how is it the 50000 klansmen marched down avenue? anxiety about crime? anxiety about a shifting economy from a largely agrarian and understandably industrial one to a more complicated one? the introduction of a national culture with the spread of radio 1921 think about it. if you were in a red state you totally control the media's information the experiences that your family had until about 1922. and then to have the world come into your home and to programming things in new york and hollywood. it was disorienting and a reaction to that disorientation was fear. and fear is what drives fear like our own that it is the anxiety produced by the law of what we love and what happened from 1915 through through 1925 is largely what is happening today. a fear among an extr

in 1920 there 106 million people and 4 million members of the kkk. it's about 3.8% of the population. in 2016 when we had 330 million people of the southern poverty law center estimated about 6500 members of the clan. the surrounding air. to go from that in 100 years to her rounding errors raising. to put it another way. i peppered the book with jokes, the wnba celebrated the 2016 season because of their success. the average attendance was 7644 people. on any given random game, the least popular game, there were 1144 more people at that game then there are members of the clan. we should be celebrating that. we shouldn't spike the football, but that's amazing progress for society as diverse as ours. yet, were told it's a racist country and we created micro aggressions. if i said america is the greatest country in the world and you happen to be born in scotland, somehow that's an affront to you to keep the fuel going in the outrage machine of we are a horrible country. it's really garbage. >> host: would you agree that it is a visual that sells on tele

they have given -- he has a whole collection of kkk robes from people who are quitting. the reason i ring this person up key to dealing with bad speech, and i think -- campuses are a more diverse place and they are a place that there is much more firm and right now then maybe there was in past years, though certainly not from the 1960's, is because we have given up, it seems, on persuading instead of coercing. there seems to be this intellectual virus that has gotten this idea that if nobody hears something bad, if they don't hear that somebody doesn't don't heary anti-semitism committee would not occur to them normally. what i would suggest is i don't know whether or not that is true or not you but i do know that persuading somebody to change their mind will be more effective than trying to make sure that they are never exposed to that topic. i think to the extent that universities and other cultural institutions are currently making this effort to make it so that we are not persuading you, we're not letting other people persuade, but we will actually ban your speech if

even the thing he said about the kkk, how hard is it to denounce nazis? trump tripped by not doing that but he is on record in the 70's, 80's, 90's totally denouncing the kkk and totally denouncing david duke. it is all really rhetoric and then he had the nerve to try to take credit. fromn have some but to go a one point gdp to a 4.2 and it is still rising? you will see. i appreciate you allowing me. host: it sounds like you are listening on c-span radio in the car. caller: yes or. -- yes sir. host: we appreciate that. that is available on the free c-span radio app. both callers are implementing of what is happening on both sides of the aisle. guest 2: i think on both sides of the aisle, we have an incredibly engaged base. total trump is among the most popular presidents ever with the republican party and i think that on the flipside of that, he -- he isthe most least among the least popular presidents on the democratic side. host: disapproval is at a high rate for donald trump. guest 2: the president's approval rating has been above 50% since he took off

. >> and so that 15th amendment is ratified with a backlash and strengthening the kkk. she will start up a social start during the peak organization. nothing to hide this out but was very much directed registering to vote is so and 3000 the first from the 1920s. and with those techniques and ideologies. >> why was there so many corruption related scandals in the two terms of office? was he complicit to my --dash have a blindca eye? >> and it didn't get muchor better but he told ulysses to go to the farm and gave instructions to offer $20 for the farm then you can even offer 2250. so if you don't take it then i will offer you 2250 but then i can offer you $25. i wish i wish i could say there was a learning curve. [laughter] and then they were unscrupulous. that there is a scandal in one of those that were very involved was the chief of staff and when babcock is investigatedst he writes a letter to have full faith in those integrity's over 14 years to see i cannot believe he is not the trustworthy person and i can imagine. >> how was he received? >> and queen victoria at

. >> racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists. >> trump watched fox news and saw that someone said, well, this speech was a course correction and soon, trump was talking about that was the f'ing worst speech i ever gave. the next day, he went back to his original position that the problem here is both sides. >> according to woodward, the trump white house is often paralyzed by robert mueller's russia probe. woodward writes extensively about tensions between the president and his now former personal attorney, john dowd. you report that john dowd was so worried that the president would p perjure himself in any sitdown interview with special counsel mule hear t mueller that they set up a mock interview. >> it was kind of a practice question and trump says things that are not true. dowd concluded, my god, if mueller really were here, trump would fire him on the spot. after they go through this, dowd says to the president, look, see, you can't testify. you would be a terrible witness. and the president,

king didn't talk about the kkk and his critique of racism. he didn't. this is what dr. king said.elled to ask the question who killed james reed. well, the answer is simple and rather limited when we think of the who. he was murdered by a few sick, demmed and misguided men who had a strange notion that you express the scent through murder. there is another desperate question we are forced to ask this afternoon that i asked a few days ago when we asked james jackson, it is the question what killed james reed? and when we move from the who to the what, the blame is wide and the responsibility grows. james#qñ reed was murdered by ey indifference of the minister of the gospel who has remained silent behind the safe security of stained glass windows. he was murdered by the irrelevancy of the church. he was murdered by the irresponsibility of every politician who has moved down the path of demagoguery and who has fed his constituents the stale bread, and he was murdered by every law enforcement agency who practices lawlessness in the name of the law. he was murdered by a federal governm

as we see the visions of the kkk and it virtually doesn't exist. do you believe the media keeps it alive because it's a good visual? >> guest: it's a good visual and it's good politics. if you want people not to think rationally, you keep them angry, keep them afraid. i guess most the bench bench of apologized for in your life were not things you said call me sitting behind a desk sipping a cup of tea thinking about it clearly. something you did in heat of the moment and you can beckett said sorry or you curse because you kick the coffee-table underway for the room, whatever it is. emotion overrides logic and if you can keep people thinking, the democrats spent the last years telling us it's open season on young black men. the data doesn't show that. the facts that show that. the media shows that because they find stores and focus on them and exclusion of other stories. assess what happened with dylann roof, that little monster, and the statues, i was in baltimore at the time and they were four confederate monuments in baltimore. forget that mounta

from those civic leaders to the anti- catholic and anti- somatic and anti- black kkk efforts a group of people in 1920. they placed that we cannot have a kkk nation that excludes catholics and jews that is discriminating so violently against them. but also to invent the term judeo christian nation that is part of the national dna. so clearly during ugly islam oval via with the american optimism to prevent us with an opportunity so that re- centering of american ideals with a civic nation in fact defines america. that is my hope. >> now a follow-up question. many of us fit under that framework. so now they are always entangled with perceptions of race and now to stretch the idea of white men which that is the example of that. can't what can you see from racial equity that is part of the conversation >> the latter part could take a few years. [laughter] >> i was born in the south and went to segregated schools through the tenth grade. in west virginia that i went to coastal virginia it went to western minnesota 1974. so now i am the chairman of the board from con cordia college. i reme

directed thing in mexico came up with a strategy for the purpose to encourage the court to kkk it had previously granted because you believe the government was going to lose in the regulation at issue would be invalidated. you didn't want the government to endure that today except her arguments? >> the supreme courtt did. yes. >> government, the bush administration followed your advice and with the arguments asst prescribed gave a dig and as a result the regulation stood. is that right? they stood where they otherwise would have fallen. that's right. >> so i have as hard time seeing this as other than something that helps you not just with republican democrat. you saw an argument you identified the problem only offered a remedy it was embraced by the solicitor gen.'s on the and report did exactly as you wanted to do and the regulation senator booker is earned about was wanting to make sure not under attack was in fact preserved i have a hard time seeing whether the one to a vote more for you fact that he really should vote for you and i will have that conversation with himac later. bu

there was no southern sheriff who would arrest a member of the kkk. there was no southern jury that would convict or white that would testify. there were hundreds, maybe thousands of murders of blacks that went on prosecuted. grant met a very crusading attorney general. ackerman brought 3000 indictments and got more than 1000 convictions. it was his greatest achievement as president. the kkk we know is from the resurgence of the clan from the 19 teens and 20s. and they borrowed a lot of the techniques and ideology of the original kkk. >> why were there so many corruption scandals was he complicit? did he turn a blind eye or was he just oblivious to what was going on? >> he was incredibly nacve.i will tell a story from his childhood. when he was a boy, his father wanted to buy a horse so he told ulysses to go to this farm and he gave him instructions. he said offer $20 to the farmer. if he doesn't take it off for $22.50. and he still doesn't take it, offer $25. so ulysses goes to the farmer and says my father says i should offer $20 and if you don't ta

and the first blockbuster film pipeline people back in the president and as a result weekend interest kkk by making reference to those. but birth of a nation as part of the outpouring to shift the narrative after the war. but it was part of the force that reawakened that counter. and equally as forceful and then the brazenness to an entirely new art form with a solution of jazz.i so it is a complicated picture that art can't instigate a whole set of and. there is a lot of narratives with the center. the meeting to the fridge. two of those hunting for russia. the partisans on virgin soil. it with ambivalence. then to become conservative. with the idealistic revolutionary is a major character. then some of course that i identify with. but then writing about book for commune in his toby and elizabeth long -- utopian healer. is a powerful leader then like hitler and the promotion of films, it is astonishing. failed artist aid. be good propaganda. often times journalism can change very quickly. most journalism is not arch. but if you have any sample he thinks of himself as a then there were pr

it is a response by civic leaders in the 1930s to the anti-catholic, anti-semitic and anti-black kkk efforts of the 1920s. a group in 1928 form an organization called the ncc jacob the national conference of christians and jews where they say we can't have a kkk nation that is excluding the contribution of catholics and jews, and that is discriminating so violently against them. they not only create a whole set of civic efforts across the country. they also invent the term called judeo-christian nation that has become so part of the national dna that we forget that it wasn't that. so clearly part of what i'm doing in this book is saying at the time of really ugly islamophobia, there's actually in my american optimism present us with an opportunity. does the response to that islamophobia, the recently of american ideals, the flexing of the muscles of civic nation and how people -- does that, in fact, define america for the next 50 or 100 years? that's my hope. >> and as good follow-up question to that? which is, many of us info or some of this fit under the judeo-christian framework,

he is a collection of kkk robes from people who are quitting. fire is because the key to trying to deal with this bad speech and i think because campuses are more diverse place in our place that is there is much more fervent than there was in past years although certainly not from the 1960s -- it's because we've given up -- it seems on persuading other than coercing. there seems to be this intellectual virus that got in the idea that if no one ever hears something bad and if they don't hear someone doesn't like or if they don't here in the semitism that it wouldn't occur to them normally. i would suggest is that i don't know whether or not that is true or not but i do know that persuading someone to change their mind is going to be a lot more effective than trying to make sure they're never exposed to that topic. to the extent that the universities and other cultural institutions are currently making this effort to make it so that were not persuading you or letting other people persuade but were going to actually be in your speech if you step ov

and the one time he tries to say the kkk people were bad, he regretted it. it is constant with this president, it is always attacking. his instincts are exacerbate tensions and side with white over black. >> while we have you, counsellor, can we ask you something after we have learned about the negotiations after a possible interview by the president, we learned overnight from the reporting and in the new york times that robert mueller responded to the lawyers and the latest offer of how the president is talking, now the special county -- council can be more amendable. where do you see this going, what signs do you see there? >> we have in some respects, they both want to get the story over with, but trump -- but mueller really wants to talk to trump. he is willing to compromise in part on written answers. everyone knows they're written by lawyers, not by the subject involved. he is willing to sacrifice some of the oral conversation, but he is willing to get trump under oath. as the book illustrates, trump's lawyers are terrified of putting him in a law enfo

black was in the kkk, an fdr appointee. >> it's different because the allegations have not surfaced beforethis matter. i think part of the reason, we have new poll numbers out that shows where kavanaugh stands in his battle. these are fox news numbers. would you vote to confirm brett kavanaugh. this is from fox news. in august it was 55% yes, and 46% no, and those numbers add up to 101%. so you can see it shifted. 50% say they oppose cavanaugh's confirmation, and erica, i have been struck in my own life how many stories i have heard women saying things that happened and never came forward for and i am a guy. i have to believe in much more in your world. >> yeah, this was a conversation about a lot of my girlfriends who live in the same, this is what forced me to join tweeter is one what woman said, and this happens to men as well. that was an important conversation that started a year ago, much more publicly with m , too, and that was pushback from the president on friday and over the weekend, to put out the tweet saying if this really happened and if it was really that bad i am sure you w

. >> even as a young man in his attack on racism when he thought the kkk. >> it was very useful among other things to be able to save the year. >> butheater. >> but that was against the grain of the times. >> it was a quite useful new book shows that the coup plot clan delete the -- ku klux klan had cleaned itself up and had defeated african americans and proceeded to attack. and indeed in indiana in their own stated for rushed alarmingly. >> he wa >> he was in a constant opposition to it. i'm sorry. next question. >> yes, back there forget my slight ignorance but i haven't heard anything on the contrary. was wendell wilkie ever elected or appointed to any public office in his career, and if he wasn't, how did they meet stalin and all of these other foreign leaders with the weight of america beyond them it seemed? >> i'm afraid because i rushed out without my hearing aid -- >> i didn't hear it. >> how did he manage to go on his world tour. >> he never held an elected office. in that regard of course he participates with the businessman as to the mission around the world. he proposed t

. >> it used to be they hid behind hoods, you know, back in the day when it was the kkk. now people tend to hide behind the internet or social media. >> reporter: temple beth sholom found the flier outside the synagogue last week. >> i was very surprised tor that news. neighborhood. >> reporter: the police department is aware of the flier and while there are no specific threats of violence, the department will increase patrols around the synagogue. it's something they do every year during the high holidays. >> reporter: they released this statement quote these hate groups stand for the very opposite of our values of love and inclusivity. we are fortunate to have a warm and close knit community that will not be cowed by attempts to intimidate. we wish the entire community a sweet and happy new year. >> hopefully it doesn't escalate and hopefully we can put an end to it and find who did this. >> reporter: while they are small, they do exist and they have felt emboldened recently, especially in the recent political climate to express themselves. >> reporter: the adl says pro

. >> racism is evil and those who cause violence in its names are thugs including the kkk, neo-naziscists that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as citizens. >> i guess it's no surprise one day later the president backtracked saying this. >> i think there's blame on both sides. you had a group on one side that was very bad and another group that was very violent. >> notice the difference between the first one that he was read [the seco ing and the second one where he really said what he meant, just rolled off the tongue? and joining us now. must be a lot of love going around, amanda. good evening, everyone. i hope you guys had a great restful labor day weekend. so adam, woodward reports that president trump called his revised statement on the charlottesville rally the biggest effing mistake i've ever made, you never make those concessions, you never apologize. i didn't do anything wrong in the first place. why look weak? okay, those were his words. that was stunning for what went on during that time. >> what we're talking about here is terrorist attack. the president thought i

. >> they used to hide behind hoods back in the day when it was the kkk. now people tend to hide behind the internet or social media. >> reporter: temple beth sholom found the flier outside the synagogue last week. >> i was very surprised to hear that news. it's a very quiet neighborhood. >> reporter: the police department is aware of the flier and while there are no specific threats of violence, the department will increase patrols around the synagogue. it's something they do every year during the high holidays. the temple released this statement, quote, these hate groups stand for the very opposite of our values of love and inclusivity. we're fortunate to have a warm and close knit community that will not be cowed by attempts to intimidate. we wish our entire community a sweet and happy new year. >> hopefully it doesn't escalate and hopefully we can put an end to it and put an end to this. >> while they are small, they do exist and they have felt emboldened in the recent political climate to express themselves. >> reporter: the adl says propaganda like t

. >> if a clu kkk .someone attacks someone with a knife at a campaign rally, just a democratic socialist, maybe people don't rush on that. >> why? >> i think, they think they are allies, you have congress men and congresswomen saying you some make people feel uncomfortable, disrupt them in restaurants, people who are more crazy will do something about it last time we saw any cool down of after steve scalise of shot and that just a weekend or two. liz: here is steve scalise telling fox that democrats do need to speak out again the rising threats of the violence and incidents. >> they need to be denouncing that kind of activity, there is no place for it if someone on the right of the doing it we would be vocally denouncing, they need to do that on the left, you are attacking them because of what they do and believe in, that is not american ideals. liz: have you seen it this bad? >> i have not seen it this bad or fell this bad after the election. /10ness in air in washington d.c., seems to have subsided. bu

. >> no nazis, no kkk, no fascist usa. >> heather never planned on counterprotesting until she saw cell racist chants at the torch rally. >> i saw actual videos of heather that day talking to a young lady from the alt-right, asking her why are you here? what are you doing? and the girl kept saying, no comment. but i have to hope that somehow the girl went home and thought, jeez, what the hell am i doing here? >> yeah. >> and maybe she'll remember that heather talked to her and have some soul searching then from that. >> oh, my god! >> how did you find out about heather's death? >> her friend justin called me and he just kept saying, i think she got hit by that car, and i kept saying what car? i don't know what you're talking about. he said the hospital, they need to find the next of kin. i said, oh, [ bleep ] -- so i called my parents. i said please pray. when we got to the hospital, two ladies grabbed me and walked me up and i walked in the room and the detective looked at me and he said, she was pronounced -- and i remember just putting my head down and sobbing so loud. for the first

. >> to me the important thing about him or when i talked to go to the kkk is to go this is a very thin ideology and people don't realize it is and people are afraid of it when they see the clips on the news. i say let's look at it. it doesn't go that deeply! your rapport was w him was inviting. you wanted him to speak. you weren't going at him in an aggressive way. >> that's not my way. >> but it was also before charlottesville, right? >> yes. >> do you think it would have been different had you had that expooerns to look at? >> 100%. and it didn't -- that thing aired, we taped it before he got punched in the face on the street and people were like why didn't you punch him in the face? i would haven't done that but that's not how time woerks but i still would have approached in the a i want you to talk that way. sitting down angry look at my face, that's not me. there are many journalists, talkers, who do that. that's not my way. >> you talked about immigration and a lot of that episode was about immigration. i meant to ask senator boxer. >> i'll be her surrogate. >> you can talk about

just after his confirmation, one fdr appointee was found to have been a member of the kkk.outcry he was not impeached and became an unexpected liberal voice on the court. even killing a man. although the story could have tarnished his name, many saw him as a hero instead. finally, it is stunning to reflect that three members of the supreme court were former confederate soldiers, literally doing violence against the constitution. the point is that civic standards change in ways that could be hard to come prprehend today. whatever way it turns out, we will still be a nation of very imperfect people trying to form a more perfect union. and that's your reality check. >> and the stakes of course are nearly permanent. you are talking about a lifetime appointment. >> absolutely. >> we look forward to more supreme singing. >>> meanwhile. >> late night comics take on the controversy surrounding brett kavanaugh. here are your late night laughs. >> paul manafort on friday struck a deal to cooperate with the mueller investigation and then trump struck a door, two walls and eric. >> a n

we sat around this table on the day that donald trump said good people on both sides of the kkk rally in charlottesville, we've said as former white house staffers, as former campaign staffers, we've said how do they stay? i think we have our answer in this op-ed. they stay because they're shared bleepless he's going to start world war 3, as secretary mattis has had to explain to the president we do things to avoid world war iii. i know you ran a vladimir yant effo -- valiant effort to best donald trump ahead of jeb bush. is this worse than someone who tried to stop the presidency? >> i have dark expectations of the many presidency. i don't know about worse. i have a less generous view than maybe you and john do of the whistleblower here, so-called whistleblower. i think there are a lot of other options and there are a lot of things that nobody has seemed to try. there seems to be a lack of imagination among those who oppose donald trump, both in congress, but also within this administration. no one has left the administration, not rex tillerson, not my former boss reince priebus and

how easy it should be to distance yourself from people who embrace good people on both sides of the kkk rally. >> what president obama has brought here to the fore, for the first time in his campaign season, but i don't think it's going to be the last, is this deep concern that we see that president trump wants to use the apparatus of the national security state to go after his political critics. he wants the attorney general to criminalize free speech, to criminalize free expression, to criminalize criticism. to actually use criminal authorities and national security authorities to conduct surveillance to find, locate potentially eaves drop, potentially arrest someone who is criticizing the president. and it is in line as president obama pointed out with other efforts by president trump to use the apparatus of the state to go after critics, to threaten to strip broadcast licenses from the media that he doesn't support, and, of course, to use other mechanisms that are totally inappropriate to go after political criticism. >> and don't believe jeremy and me. listen for your own ears. her

how easy it should be to distance yourself from people who embrace good people on both sides of the kkk rally. >> what president obama has brought here to the fore, for the first time in his campaign season, but i don't think it's going to be the last, is this deep concern that we see that president trump wants to use the apparatus of the national security state to go after his political critics. he wants the attorney general to criminalize free speech, to criminalize free expression, to criminalize criticism. to actually use criminal authori authorities and national security authorities to conduct surveillance to find, locate potentially eaves drop, potentially arrest someone who is criticizing the president. and it is in line as president obama pointed out with other efforts by president trump to use the apparatus of the state to go after critics, to threaten to strip broadcast licenses from the media that he doesn't support, and, of course, to use other mechanisms that are totally inappropriate to go after political criticism. >> and don't believe jeremy and me. listen for your own e

even the thing he said about the kkk, how hard is it to denounce nazis?rump tripped by not doing that but he is on record in the 70's, 80's, 90's totally denouncing the kkk and totally denouncing david duke. it is all really rhetoric and then he had the nerve to try to take credit. fromn have some but to go a one point gdp to a 4.2 and it is still rising? you will see. i appreciate you allowing me. host: it sounds like you are listening on c-span radio in the car. caller: yes or. -- yes sir. host: we appreciate that. that is available on the free c-span radio app. both callers are implementing of what is happening on both sides of the aisle. guest 2: i think on both sides of the aisle, we have an incredibly engaged base. total trump is among the most popular presidents ever with the republican party and i think that on the flipside of that, he -- he isthe most least among the least popular presidents on the democratic side. host: disapproval is at a high rate for donald trump. guest 2: the president's approval rating has been above 50% since he took offic

playbook, the kgb, for example, is very, very well known that it tried to pose itself as a member of the kkk at one point. it also fabricated evidence that linked the cia to the assassination of john f. kennedy. it wasn't just ted cruz's father. it passed the material off to n unwitting conspiracy theorists in the united states. what the soviets did, a letter from low harvey oswald to a very little known cia operative. so, and the letter sate, any steps taken by me or anyone else. took plats ce in the 1970s. much better known, his involvement in watergate. i think much more worringly, the kgb trying to discredit the reverend martin luther king by placing articles portraying him as an uncle tom being secretly paid off by the government so lbj can control bhamartin luthe ki king. wrote about this in the 1990s. that's forgetting the context in which this took place. this was a time when malcolm x was calling dr. king an uncle tom also and other separatists just because dr. king sauought peace and assimilation rather than separatism. an interesting aside here, a lot of the cases i just cited wer

playbook, the kgb, for example, is very well known that it tried to come and post itself is meant of the kkk at one point. it also fabricated evidence that linked the cia to the assassination of john f. kennedy . it wasn't just ted cruz's father. it passed the material often unwitting conspiracy theorists in the united states. what the soviets did it forged a letter from lee harvey oswald to a very little-known cia operative known by the name of e howard hunt. and the letter said, asking for any steps are taken by me or anyone else, so the forger took place in the 1930s when howard hunt was much better now because of his involvement in watergate. i think much more worryingly the kgb also tried to discredit the reverend martin luther king by planting articles portraying him as an uncle tom who was being secretly paid off by the government so lbj could control martin luther king. when they wrote about this in the 1990s said these are selling but is forgetting the context in which this took place. this was a time when malcolm x was calling dr. king an uncle tom also and other separatists just b

and it clearly had a galvanizing effect on kkk supporters and people of that ilk. and this really introduced my third question but before i do that i'll go through our distinguished panelists. to my right is mary schmidt campbell, an extremely distinguished academic and writer who is the narrator of the tisch school of the arts, commissioner of the new york city department of cultural affairs and lately , the author of an extraordinary book and the art of rome our beard and which has just come out, i think which is an extraordinary work. and senator lopez, i believe not just a veteran of the brooklyn book festival but he was there from thevery beginning . the brooklyn chauvinists i believe . a very distinguished scholar and writer in the films and literature, a great essayist and a professor at columbia university . julian lucas, whose very fine, one of the finest young essayists riding in america today. i think he's written for us, the new york review of books, new york times book review and is an associate editor of web editor of the point. having gotten that out

hypocritical, let me tell you the dynamic, what you see, all of the people like democrats, the party of the kkkhey have hypocritical, people should take a look at this all the way congressional black caucus even barack hussein obama with antisematic person like it's okay. it's a sad day in america when you see that. rachel: it's hard to believe anyone can censor you two ladies, you always have something to say, love it and good for you for plugging yourself while you can and thanks for your opinions. peter: thank you both. have a great labor day. rachel: we will go to jillian now with news. jillian: good morning, we continue to follow the fox news alert to get get you caught up news out of chicago, labor day weekend off to really bloody start, 4 people dead and 17 hurt in shootings since friday afternoon. violence coming despite extra 1400 police officers on patrol, the police department plans to hire an additional 300 homicide detectives by the end of the year, this comes as protestors want to shut down a major expressway near chicago's o'hare airport today to shine a spotlight on violence. bi

there was no southern sheriff who would arrest a member of the kkk. there was no southern jury that would convict or white that would testify. there were hundreds, maybe thousa from georgia, ackerman brought 3000 indictments, thousand convictions against the clan and thrust the ku klux klan. it was his greatest achievement as president. the plan that we know is from the resurgence of the clan from the 1920s, the clan that has less to do with us because it borrowed a lot of and ideology of the original clan >> why were there so many corruption -related scandals in grants two terms in office? was he complicit? did he turn a blind eye or was he oblivious to what was going on? >> a story from his childhood that makes the point, unfortunately it didn't get much credit but his father wanted to buy a horse so he told ulysses to go to this farm and he gave ulysses his instructions. he said offered $20 to the farmer. if he doesn't take it, offer him $22.50 and if he still doesn't take it, offer 25 so grant goes to the father and says i should offer $20 for the

in the primaries like donald trump, and you can't say bad things or you can't pass judgment on the kkkbut in trump's washington, a moaning his fans and nominee, apparently, that's the new normal. >> there is certainly on the right particularly in the trump era a string of political commentary that traits racist elements on the wright a very soft touch, afraid to alienate certain sections of the rate which are bigoted. that's a product of the trump era. i will however say i think we're giving judge kavanaugh short shrift in that exchange. he said the designates in the 1890s were discriminatory but could not opine in cases which are pending ledge allocation before the court in order not prejudice those proceedings and among those possible cases that could be brought as senator harris clearly said is the chinese excollusion act that was used to justify the constitutionality of this travel ban that are still before pending litigation. it's not on justice kavanaugh's -- it would be bad practice for him to opine that. he cite ed karamatsu. he tried to explain and suggesting how he would deci