>> i realize this new klan isn't as powerful as the old klan.s even more undeniable when you see it up close. i actually feel lucky. unlike most of the black people in the history of this country who have been present for a cross burning, i get to leave. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com [ singing in spanish ] >> anthony: i always feel slightly oppressed by beautiful vistas. do you know what i mean? [ singing in spanish ]

♪ >> i realize this new klan isn't as powerful as the old klan.that is even more undeniable when you see it up close. i actually feel lucky. unlike most of the black people in the history of this country who have been present for a cross burning, i get to leave. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> jane lewis from montana asks, this is my favorite show on tv, do you think you'll still be able to push the envelope in the travel show genre or would you like to dip into another subject? i was thinking about a show about topiary. i was thinking japanese flower arranging. watercolors. no, actually i wasn't thinking of any of those things. ♪ >> first order of business, dinner. >> oh, yeah. black pepper crab from right

but the new klan is diminished from the last klan.t's like when you go see one of the classic motown era bands now. i went to see the temptations and it's not the same. that's how i feel about the klan. i went and saw the temptations, it used be to five and now it's four. and you know it's not the original because one guy is white and the others are in their 20s. the only original is old and on a stool the whole time. ain't too proud to beg. so, i can't just judge the clan by this one dude, i got to go talk to more clan members, which is the first time a black guy's ever said a sentence like that in life. my next stop on the where are they now clan edition is dawson springs, kentucky. walking the streets, it feels like any quaint southern working class town but their neo-nazi buddies and ku klux klan have used the area outside of town. and i'm a kkk vip. but first let me talk to the locales and see if they know the ku klux klan is still in the hood. >> it's about as close to modern mayberry as you can get. >> would you recommend a bla

i am curious about the klan. to sort of-- i believe in the power of awkward conversation to initiate change. if people sort of shut up and listened to other people to talk, and say this is making me uncomfortable. i live in the bay area so everybody-- i know from hanging out with those guys by the time i left, especially with the cross burning, i was there for four hours. we had to wait for it to get dark. i never wanted it to get dark so bad in my life. and by the time it was over, a couple of those dudes liked me. >> trevor: what's funny about the situation is that the clapp has to wait for it to get dark. >> oh, irony. >> trevor: they need the dark. >> they need the clark. >> trevor: so they liked you by the end? did you like them? >> we had easy conversations. >> trevor: did you like them? >> i liked one of them. i think we had, like air, whole ed norton-guy torey history history "x" thing like you're folding laundry, black people aren't so bad. i'm sure one of them went to bed and was like, "i think i like a

this will always be klan regalia.ting came about and here's what he said. >> as a black man in america i have always been curious about the klan. i've done a lot of research and watched a lot of documentaries and i wasn't surprised by the thinges he said, i was just aware of the moment. it felt different than reading about it in a book or seeing it in a movie. as for the klan groups in the country and the producers reached out to a lot of them and three of them were interested in us sitting down with meeting with them. >> what is it like? take us inside and what's it like being a member of the kkk in 2016 and what has changed over the last several years and what hasn't changed? >> well, let's be straight. the kkk is one of america's homegrown terrorist groups from back of the end of the civil war until the modern day, but the new klan as they call themselves says that they don't hate black people. they just really love white people and they say they don't advocate violence. they just want to celebrate white supremacy,

because i'm white and i believe in the ideas and rituals of the ku klux klan.r buts about it. >> in 2016. >> yeah. yeah. >> i'm not surprised either. i grew up in louisiana. >> black people are not surprised. the response is, are you crazy? the white people's response is, i didn't know there was still a ku klux klan. we have evidence we can point to the show. >> you're big, bad, bold. if you're so proud, why not show your face? >> it is funny that the white pride comes at the expense of i don't want anybody to know. i got a job. i can't let people at the office know. i got an e-mail from one that said, please don't show my face because i don't want my son to have a problem getting a job. >> there was this poll done by kaiser and others that people feel racism is worse now since the president took office. where do you think that comes from? do you believe it is true and where does it come from? >> i think we know more about racism now because of social media and cell phones. as many people said, the best recruiting tool for the klan is a black president. they fe

he says the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today and the ku klux klan forever. wallace was using the race issue through his own end. he knew what was going to be desegregated, it was just a matter of time. he went to the students, he went to every student leader and he did not say please help me, he said this is how you are going to help me and he got them on board. then, he went to the faculty in the faculty in the november of -- they were afraid of what happened to all miss -- alole miss in 19 622. -- 1962. he got the town leaders behind peaceful desegregation. they worked very hard, knowing it was coming through the winter of 1963 into the spring, they did things like make sure there were no loose objects on campus that can be used as weapons. they moved all the bricks out of here. wallace wanted a peaceful desegregation. he plans to bring in every member of law enforcement across the state that he could. but tuscaloosa police department could muster maybe 35 officers, the university, maybe a dozen. he brought in hundreds of state troopers, prison guards, for

you guys know the klan exists.ot of people in this country think they're a relic of the mast and they're not worth talking about. i wanted to see what was going on. >> you took the camera crew with you. you thought the person you were going to meet was by themselves. they have a crew too. >> i know i know i know i know i know. 6 i would have stood back and watched the fireworks. like a springer episode in the '90s. >> there was a -- we went to the heart of the thin. and talked to people. i was terrified. why didn't you say more to them? >> i was scared. why weren't you funnier there? because i was afraid. >> what are some other places you visited that we'll see on the show. >> we take a big left turn and go from kkk to san quentin in marin county, california. i was looking into going there for different reasons. >> i never visited a prison before. i had never been in a prison. that's my favorite episode of the season. i went to east l.a. to talk about the demographic. >> to be in these extremely different scenarios

he led his newspaper on a crusade designed to bring the ku klux klan to justice.exposed members, and supported a lot to make it illegal to wear the mask in public. here is another great editor to read what hall wrote. >> mask wearing in public places is indefensible and must be outlawed. all good citizens we believe, must now realize that the mask in alabama is a source of unmitigated evil. it is a menace to life and limb, and a reproach to civilized society. concealed under hood and robe, men have stalked about in the night in alabama and cruelly assaulted helpless people. in other instances, intimidated and wronged citizens of this state. grover hall died in 1941 at the age of 53, a passing that was noted and mourned by many journalists and citizens of alabama and the south, for standing almost alone against the forces of corruption and oppression in his state. grover cleveland hall senior was awarded the 1928 pulitzer prize for editorial writing. [applause] >> a vision of what life was like in small southern towns during the depression, has been shaped in power

saw athe 1920's resurgence of terrorism by the ku klux klan.several occasion, the pulitzer board awarded prizes to newspapers that investigated the ku klux klan and spoke against them. in 1928, the pull of -- pulitzer prize will go to grover cleveland hall senior, editor of the montgomery advertiser. publicklux klan included officials, politicians, law enforcement officers and both the united states senators from the state of alabama. often there was silence from the pulpit and from the press. the exception was grover hall senior peer in july of 1927, he became outraged at the flogging of a young black man at a rural church. he led his newspaper on a crusade designed to bring the klansmen to justice. he exposed the members and work to limit their activities and supported a law to make it even legal to wear the mask in public -- illegal to make -- to wear the mask in public. we read what paul wrote in an editorial entitled "unmasked." >> mask wearing in public places is indefensible and must be outlawed. all good citizens we believe must now rea

>>> the klu klux klan is alive and well in america.ed. >> all right. there's a car with the headlights on, if that's him, he'll blink his headlights. let's go. >> i guess my first question is klan historically as you know has been a group associated with violence. >> i'm not saying violence we have to look at the 21st century. >> joining me, host of united shades of america. that's a stunning moment. were you scared? >> i was absolutely scared. there's moments you see my eyes get bigger, see me exhale, my face gets tight. that's real. i am not acting. not good enough actor to do that. >> it is unbelievable. you have this conversation with him, people will see the entire thing play out, i don't want to give it all away. you're getting e-mails from kkk members. >> yes, a couple of ones that were there, the first one was from a guy who was like had seen the commercials, was excited to see the show come up. i been reached out to by national geographic, we had a lot of opportunities, i hope you didn't make us look too bad. i was like i thin

. >> the threat for me when i was growing up was the klan. the klan was lynching people when i was a child. those were the demons. so when you begin to exclude people and judge people as a class, i think that's a serious error so we need to work to address that. i think the movement black lives matter is a reaction to that. >> sure. >> i think it's not a focus as the civil rights movement, it's more of a general protest. i think it really is an expression from the black community that we are americans too. that's what my father was doing too back in the 30's with the celebration, so we need to learn that we can benefit from different cultures, from the different life experiences that people have had and be a better and richer country because of it. the economic situation we've had and the fact that we have had a congress that really has not been active, i think that's added to the frustration, i think that a lot of people are not being rational, they are willing to really listen to slogans that have absolutely no depth and no meaning to them,

awarded for battling the ku klux klan at bell -- at risk danger, commented in the conviction of over cookbooks klansman and an antiterrorism in their community. carter wrote more than 100 editorials and news pieces, condemning the ku klux klan over the three-year. period. [applause] >> please welcome to journalists, a veteran news anchor and the vice president for diversity at national public radio and poynter institute's former dean. denise white and keep was -- keith woods. [applause] you.ank much of the pulitzer history that is to follow was created in the aftermath of brown versus the board of education, that held that separate was not equal and that public schools should be desegregated with deliberate speed. the final oxymoron was excuse for many to delay the inevitable. consider the story of miss lucy. the first black student to attend the university of alabama in 1956. the daughter of a sharecropper, she attended school in alabama and the all-black miles college. she and a friend were accepted into the university of alabama, until it was learned that they were black. naacp th

that quote is taken from the ku klux klan oath, the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today, the ku klux klan forever. but wallace was using the race issue to his own ends. he knew the university was going to be desegregated, it was just a matter of time. frank rose, the president, made it happen peacefully. and he did that fist by going to the students -- first by going to the students. he went to every student leader, and he didn't say please help me, he said this is how you're going to help me. and he got them onboard. then he went to the faculty in 1962 and say it would be imperative to keep the university of alabama open, that we would have to do this peacefully. what they were afraid of was what happened at ole miss in october of 1962 when james meredith registered, and 26 marshals were shot would happen here, and no one wanted that. certainly not the town fathers, and that's where frank rose went next. he got the town leaders behind peaceful desegregation. and then they began working for it. they worked very hard. knowing that it was coming through the winter of 1963 into

when they got done shooting, six individuals from the anti- klan march word dead. the m several of them were from durham some had gone over to join us march including the mother of one of the kids in my class. i said i believe the march was on a sunday. and monday he was back in class. she survived the march but she was really upset at the fact i that her mother had been shot. she was so upset that she put up a poster from this anti- klan march in the bathroom that was attached to a classroom and this caused one of the students to become very angry and he talked to me about it and he said my fathers in the clan, my uncleses and the clan, this girl would be so scared of them and i remember thinking remember thinking in my head, this person is insane. i talked to my parents about it and i said well, this is wrong., surely the people who did the shooting are going to be punished. in fact they were exonerated. they felt their lives wereur threatened in sort of an early standard round type of ruling. eventually, they all got off but i remember this event and they bring

the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today, the ku klux klan forever. so that which is part of the men who wrote it, his speech was a klansman in fact. not wallace was using the race issue to his own and. he knew the university was going to be desegregated. it was just a matter of time. frank rose made it happen peacefully. he did the first by going to the students. he went to every student leader and he didn't say please help me. he said this is how you going to help me. he got them on board. then he went to the faculty. he of the faculty in november of 1960 to say that it would be compared to keep the university of alabama open, that we would have to do this peacefully. what they were afraid of was what happened at ole miss in october 1962 when james meredith registered and 26 marshals were shot, what happened here. no one wanted that. certainly not the town fathers and that's where frank rose went next. he got the town leaders time peaceful desegregation. then they began working for you. knowing that it was coming through the winter of 1963 into the

when you talk about the klan, "i don't know." then you came on the air and said like when reverend wright was speaking. reverend wright nenever lynched anybody, never killed anybody. hold on a second. reverend wright never put anybody on a post. you guys play these word games and it is wrong to do in america. amy: van jones, you are debating jeffrey lordrd, the trump supporter on cnn all the time. what are you thinking about trump right now? >> this is the most dangerous development that i have seen in my lifetime. too many people say, oh, it is crazy. quit s saying it is crazy. that makes it seem like it is funny. this is dangerous to have a right-wing authoritarian move went. no amount of racial violence he whipped up in his rallies slowed him down. none. no amount of racist hatred that he spewed slowed him down. in fact, it lifted him up. the reasoning is having trouble now is because the field whittled down a little bit, some withs foreign-policies nato our little erratic and then he made the abortion gaffe. that lets you kno

amy: jake tapper did say, i am talking about the ku klux klan. let me ask -- >> no, no, it was another group that said that they had endorsed -- anyway, i think that was an error of donald trump. again, i think as he matures, he will be much better prepared for questions that come out of that nature. i'm sure he probably wishes that he had just immediately answered in differently because i do not see him as a prejudice person or a person that doesn't like certain groups. i just think that that was for his a low point answering. amy: let me go to another state senator here in new mexico, crossed the aisle and across the table from you, jerry ortiz y pino. your response to these comments of donald trump, the hesitation to disavow theklan. we've seen from donald trump throughout this campaign has been an incredible ability to say outrageous things and to get more popular support as a result of it. unfortunately, he is able to tap a vein within the voting public that just frightens me for the future. the kind of debates that bernie sanders and hillar

that will be fun. [ laughter ] that will be the klan-didate experience this weekend. >> jimmy: klan-didate experience. yeah. >> klan-didate experience. then michigan is on tuesday. that's going to be interesting. because everybody is waiting for republican governor of michigan to resign, which could happen any minute between now and that race on tuesday. and nobody knows how to deal with that. >> jimmy: sure, yeah. >> that's over the flint, michigan, lead poisoning thing. >> jimmy: disaster, yeah. >> so yeah, it's exciting. [ light laughter ] >> jimmy: great job. thank you for schooling us as always. >> absolutely. >> jimmy: i love asking all these questions. >> any time. >> jimmy: you do such great work. we love you. we're big fans of yours. >> thank you. >> jimmy: thank you so much. rachel maddow, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] "the rachel maddow show" airs weeknights at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. we'll be right back for music from santigold! stick around. straight talk wireless... isad the same, but better than your current plan. yeah, it's gonna blow your mind. wi tth the bring your own p

the government crushes the organized klan pretty quickly but white vigilantes in the south understand you don't need to put on a robe or have 20 guys with you. you simply sit outside of the house of a poll worker or activist and then you shoot him when he comes out the door and you ride away and no one knows and one of the main sources for the book were the freed men bureau papers and i would look at counties in the south in october, november and december of election year and they are essentially nothing bau but atrocity records where i'm sure you know in those days they voted with like a big bookmark ticket, he had the tickets and last night they killed him and we took the tickets and basically we have no ballots on election day. that would make a bureau report, it would make a local newspaper. it doesn't make the national news. one by one, vigilantes come to understand, today's catto who goes to syracuse to convention is working as a poll worker getting shot on election today is tomorrow's state assemblyman and next year's u.s. congressman and year after that might be like blanche b

i was like i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan.

you pass the klan act, they respond with low will have level vigilante violence. and most of the country, white country is ready to move on after the war. and so the blacks pretty much are on their own down in the south or in philadelphia. >> one last one. a. >> there began to be exservicemen groups. did you find in your research that these groups played any significant part in advancing social political interests of a particular black ex-servicemen or the black population generally. >> especially in the north, they do. quite often, they're mostly joining predominantly white chapters. in places in the north and new england, they have a lobbying power. of course in general, they're a giant lobbying machine. not so much involved in larger civil rights issues, but certainly in the north they do have an impact. and there's a few attempts to have white or black units, but especially in new england, blacks often serve members as white units. kwaen carney, the first black congressional medal of honor winner, he's the guy who holds the flag up after being shot in both leg

i think when you're asked a question and you are reject dean the ku klux klan, that is not a dog whistle. there is one answer to that based on human decency and that is to reject them out of hand immediately and the fact that he didn't and that interview has raised eyebrows. >> there's a few things right the relegated. overt racism. that sort of status will be reserved for really awful thing. doesn't attribute to every little thing. donald trump rasmus mentioning is a little bit of prescription and the problem in this case. he is sometimes off the cuff and politically incorrect. users are left to say you are this or that any cap the discussion anymore. he's an interesting dichotomy on the subject. >> host: what is your relationship? how did you get together to write the book? >> guest: we are extremely close friends. we have the way back in the day years of go by a well-known booktv mainstay and he suggested i was moving to d.c. briefly. she was working at that point that you guys should hang out and we headed off and we decided we found ourselves having conversations frequently about th

when you asked a question on national television about whether or not you are rejecting the ku klux klan and well no white supremacist, that's not a dog whistle, there's one correct answer to that. based on just a basic human decency and that is to reject them out of hand immediately and clearly. the fact that he didn't in that interview raised eyebrows for a lot of people. what we have argued is there's overt racism. so what we want to do is say that that status should be reserved for really awful and important things. not redistributed to every little thing. so i think as he was mentioning his a little bit of the problem in this case. he is sometimes off-the-cuff cough and politically incorrect. he he also uses the tactics of the left to say year this or year that, he's an interesting dichotomy on the subject. >> what is your relationship, how did you get together to write this book. >> we are extremely close friends. we were hooked up way back in the day used to go by a well-known tv mainstay. he suggested, she was working here already at that point. he said that we should hang out we

and the ku klux klan, they're all attacking senator kennedy as a catholic, that he shouldn't be presidentvocal and so wide, i felt he needed help. >> pastor herb meza believes he has the fix. >> i immediately invited john kennedy to come and speak. we needed to hear from him. >> meza's plan is almost holy in its simplicity. >> the offer was to have kennedy come and address a group of protestant ministers numbering about 400 in the houston area. kennedy agreed to do it. >> when meza's congregation hear that kennedy's coming, all hell breaks loose. >> i remember an elderly lady from new orleans who wrote to me and said, "i'm 65 years old. i've been teaching sunday school for 20 years. i hope your daughter marries a nigger." and that was the kind of climate we were in. >> may i call this special meeting of the association of ministers of greater houston to order. let us stand for prayer. >> america tunes in to see the debate live. >> god be merciful unto us and bless us. >> tonight the men of god are not men of peace. >> senator kennedy sat next to me, and he said, reverend, how are things d

what i really meant was that trump is saying he was unaware that duke was connected to the ku klux klans talking and trying to pick up people to support him from that-- >> and saying that the party has the ku klux klan, you didn't talk about trump, you talked about the republican party. >> there's no question that i misspoke. but one thing is abundantly clear is that the klan will be voting for trump and there's so many different pieces that republicans are not proud of that belong to the democratic-- that belong to the republican party and let me make it abundantly clear, it wasn't that long ago that democrats the same way, felt the same way. we democrats had the ku klux klan, we had the dixie-crats and they've shifted from the democratic party and they vote republican. >> no, no, no. >> i misspoke in saying that that's not what the party stands for, but right now, we really don't know what the party stands for. >> that's fair enough and don't want anything to do with the ku klux klan or anything to do with them so that's fair enough, i appreciate that very much. but i think that trump

i was like, i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan.nk they'd actually let me do it. you know what i mean? i was just trying to be edgy and get the job. and i thought we'd negotiate down to like the rodeo. [ laughter ] you know what i mean?

judge johnson issued an injunction, keeping the klan from intervening anymore with the freedom ridersbut he also issued an injunction to prevent the freedom riders to continue, at the same time. so the day after the events that happened here at the montgomery bus station, the civil rights leaders came to hold a mass meeting with the citizens of the city of montgomery to support the freedom riders. they held that meeting at this first baptist church. this was a church of reverend ralph abernathy. while they were at the church, there were 1500 people inside the church. and the mob outside, they came to protest, was a group of about 3000 people. they attacked the church. they would throw rocks at the church. they turned over cars outside the church. they threw molotov cocktails at the walls of the exterior of the church. dr. king and other civil rights leaders inside the church reached out to attorney general robert f. kennedy and asked him to send in federal troops. instead of the federal troops coming, the state brought in the national guard. once they were taken from the church, they

he says the ku klux klan yesterday, the ku klux klan today and the ku klux klan forever.allace was using the race issue through his own end. he knew what was going to be desegregated, it was just a matter of time. he went to the students, he went to every student leader and he did not say please help me, he said this is how you are going to help me and he got them on board. then, he went to the faculty in the faculty in november of 1962 -- they were afraid of what happened to all miss -- ole miss in 19 622. -- 1962. he got the town leaders behind peaceful desegregation. they worked very hard, knowing it was coming through the winter of 1963 into the spring, they did things like make sure there were no loose objects on campus that can be used as weapons. they moved all the bricks out of here. wallace wanted a peaceful desegregation. he plans to bring in every member of law enforcement across the state that he could. but tuscaloosa police department could muster maybe 35 officers, the university, maybe a dozen. he brought in hundreds of state troopers, prison guards, forest

and then the ku klux klan, they're all attacking senator kennedy as a catholic, that he shouldn't bend so wide, i felt he needed help. >> pastor herb meza believes he has the fix. >> i immediately invited john kennedy to come and speak. we needed to hear from him. >> meza's plan is almost holy in its simplicity. >> the offer was to have kennedy come and address a group of protestant ministers numbering about 400 in the houston area. kennedy agreed to do it. >> when meza's congregation hear that kennedy's coming, all hell breaks loose. >> i remember an elderly lady from new orleans who wrote to me and said, "i'm 65 years old. i've been teaching sunday school for 20 years. i hope your daughter marries a nigger." and that was the kind of climate we were in. >> may i call this special meeting of the association of ministers of greater houston to order. let us stand for prayer. >> america tunes in to see the debate live. >> god be merciful unto us and bless us. >> tonight the men of god are not men of peace. >> senator kennedy sat next to me, and he said, reverend, how are things doing? h

while he is making some statements that i think he needs to clarify about white supremacists, the klan and david duke, at the same time he is actually uttering the words money black americans" and talks but how he is going to ease black unemployment in his immigration plan but by getting rid of j-1 visas which allow young foreign workers to come over here and we wants to replace it -- all on his web site, a great'll policy lap do -- replace if with an inner city jobs bank where businesses, corporations, you name it, actually have to -- be forced to go to a jobs bank where young black people who are unemployeds put their resumes. it's innovative. enterprise zones and i want to hear him talk about that and really repudiate white supremacists voters, which he kind of did today on "the today show. o'he says he does not want their vote. you can't talk out oft both sides of your mouth. >> host: we hear from people on our morning show, on call insure programs on c-span and booktv, black conservative, i just don't get it. >> guest: they don't get it. they don't trust me. they think i get calle

when they got done shooting six individuals from the anti- klan march were dead, sever were from durham. durham had a very active black militant tradition and some folks i got over to join this march including the mother of one of the kids in my class. a p i believe the march was on a sunday and monday she was back in class. the mother survived the march minutes you can imagine she was really upset about the fact that her mother had been shot at. she was so upset that she put uo a poster from this anti-klan march in in the bathroom that was attached to the classroom and this caused one of the students in class, one of the white students to become very angry. he talked me about it and he said my fathers in the clan, my uncle is in the clan. this girl would be so scared of him. i remember thinking in my nine euros take, this person is insane. you [laughter] i talked to my parents about it and said this is wrong, surely the people who did the shooting are going to be punished. in fact, they were exonerated, they felt their lives are threatened in sort of an early standard round type of rul

dirt, and this would have been worthy structure for the highest-ranking leader of the highest-ranking klanld have been. research indicates that the base of the amount was initially hollowed rock, which was filled in with clay. this would give more stability to the structure as they were building it. we know that periodically, after the mound was built, it would be soered with different clade, when you sliced into the mound, it would resemble a layer cake. announcer: watch on c-span3. the c-span cities tour, working with our cable affiliates and visiting cities across the country. anniversary ofth the pulitzer prizes, the poynter institute paid tribute to prizewinners who were focused on social justice and civil rights. a preview. >> good evening, everyone. my name is jean louise fitch. actually, my name is charlie barely. i live next door to mr. roy peter clark. [laughter] >> who is the best neighbor and the whole world. in the whole world. he told me to say that. [laughter] >> but at least for tonight, you can call me scout. you all know me as 10-year-old girl, if you read the novel "to k

anyone who's conservative is fine with saying the klan is evil, bigoted, it's wrong, it has no placesociety and if you're speaks from poor conviction, you know that because you're speaking from the heart. >> in defense of mr. trump, he had denounced it online and at a press conference the previous friday and went on to do it again. i want to ask you just to follow up because you don't favor a rape or incest exception to abortion and to people, this may be a problem getting behind president ted cruz. they think you may be too far right on social issues. >> well, listen, let's talk -- you know, when it comes to rape, i've spent a lot of years in law enforcement. i was the solicitor general in the state of texas and i have handled cases with horrific cases of rape, of people who committed child rain, people -- i went before the u.s. supreme court and argued in defense of state laws imposing capital punishment for the very worst child rapists. and when it comes to rape, it's a who risk crime against the humanity of a person and needs to be punished and punished severely but at the same t

the ku klux klan rose during the reconstruction. some people know some of the particulars, they know that the promise of 40 acres and a mule was made and rescinded along the way, and the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the constitution appeared at some point in the process people sometimes know that the black codes tried to erase as much of the gains of emancipation as possible and reconstruction ended with a corrupt bargain in 1877 people think they know southern history stopped after reconstruction, except for a few episodes of particularly horrific violence until it was time for the 1960s and the textbook would give another chapter about the south. the cast of characters has remained much the same throughout several generations now. even as the revision has been changing the role of heroes and villains. reconstruction used to be considered a failure because it happened at all. and now it's considered a failure because it did not go far enough. all along we have in our minds, no matter what we think, the same pictures that came

. >> larry: trump showed up at a klan rally and said i got a cross, matches and gas, but i gotta go.h school that pulls you assayed and say, malik, that thing they have been saying about your mother, i don't know how you're going to let that slide. i mean, if that was me... >> yeah, he's bully! (applause) >> larry: do you think trump wants people to fight at his rallies? >> absolutely! >> larry: do you think he wants that to happen? >> pe's a bully! he's a reality tv star! that's what they do! (applause) >> larry: that is absolutely true. >> every moment he loves that the news has him up there every day saying crazy (bleep). he loves this, except when they come after him. did you see him wearing that secret service agent? (laughter) like, he's gonna pun after man with a waib baby on his chest! (laughter) >> larry: some said the protesters are trying to shut down the rally, stop the rallies from happening. do you think that's fair? >> honestly. >> larry: they say it infringes upon first amendment. >> it's their right to protest, it's their right to organize. >> i agree (cheers and app