he thought david koresh would have come.instead atf launched its ill begotten raid and not the sheriff felt frustrated and he was also frustrated by the reaction of many people seeing government conspiracy and the violent reactions that were in repayment for waco. his exact quote and i believe arms correct in this -- his exact quote was people believe people say waco is the reason they are doing these things but i think it is the excuse they used to do what they want to do anyway. i wish atf had consulted him more. host: we have a tweet from lisa says, was not there an undercover atf agent inside the branch davidian compound for several weeks before the siege? why did atf not follow his recommendations and not raid mount carmel? guest: that is the crux of why this has happened in one critical way. atf had tried to place eight agents undercover as guarantor property across the street from mount carmel supposedly to keep a 24/7 check on everything the branch davidians were doing and to get a sense of when david koresh might le

jeff: i am curious where his got her new david koresh in school, because he did not become koresh until after he left school. other than that, there were some things that would seem to outsiders unsavory about carmel, but the branch davidians believed they were doing what the bible said was allowed. they chose secular law. peter: it sounded like donald was referring to the rhoden family. tell us about them. jeff: they were seventh-day adventists who believed they had been called by god to succeed victor. he said god's message was they needed to follow jewish ceremonies rather than christian ceremonies, which are pagan. that is why they celebrated passover and not christmas or easter. lois, after her husband died, said the angel had come to her and revealed that god thinks women are every bit as good as men. for that, she was acknowledged as leader. she also acquired that statement from an earlier koresh team in florida. david koresh stole from team and lois roden was doing it. peter: the branch davidians were somewhat interactive with the town of waco. is that a fair statement? jeff: a

now, am i describing david koresh, the infamous leader wh was killed along with 75 of hi cult memberse fbi sieg of his waco compound in 1993 or, i might describing forme president donald trump because trump we'll be hosting his first mccartney of 2023 in waco, next weekend, on the 30t anniversary of the waco siege. and, while of course, trump is not accused of the kind of horrific crimes and delusion that koresh was, he is accused of quite a bit of wrongdoing and him choosing waco to host maga rally right now is just a little too on the nose for me. but, will he even be there i waco next saturday he doesn't seem to think so. the former president put out a statement earlier on saturda that set the political world ablaze, decreeing that he woul be arrested this coming tuesday, calling on all his tru believers to protest and, quote, take our nation back now, consider that claim of hi with a nice slab of salt because true to form, his ow lawyers, members of his ow inner circle, don't quite know what he's spouting off about in fact, a spokesperson fo trump's campaign put out a statement cl

they negotiated for 60 hours straight with david koresh. it was a really dramatic event that i'm sure he'd like to evoke. i just i just don't think the branch davidians i want to get charles . it is charles report. yes but i don't want to get the branston video ins wrapped up in what republicans are standing up for every single day. i think that's stretch, charles the people that you've interviewed about this, his supporters they get it right there. i mean, they understand what this symbolism is. certainly i think some people definitely told me that and i think it's worth remembering also that this was a very polarizing incident at the time it was the subject of congressional investigations, department of justice investigations and it was something that really factored heavily in the midterms in 1994. and you know when i spoke with new gingrich about this, who was a staunch critic of the you know the federal response at the time, he sort of mentioned that it was, you know, did have a broader symbolism on the right of the federal government

david koresh.anch davidians are now, you know -- we'll talk about this more later. but that's how deep it goes. and it's not new. the only other thing i'll say is i agree eddie -- some parts of the culture are obviously broken. and it's not all about policy. but i always come back to this thing. we live on this global community here in 2023, and there's no other country in the world that has this problem. are we all -- i mean, america is unique but are we really ready to say america is broken and france, germany, england, china, india, name your country, just stick in industrialized western europe. sweden, denmark, belgium, all of them they're not broken. we're the broken ones. they're not broken. i think there's unique characteristics to american culture but it's also they have sane gun laws. we do not. and if you want to try to explain why they don't have mass shootings in those places, you have to point to policy. >> there's no other difference. >> i mean, there are some other differences. there

30th anniversary of the federal siege of the branch davidians, an anti-government cult led by david koresh which ended in the deaths of 86 people. timoy mcveigh said it inspired s terror technique federal building in obama city exactly two years later in 1995. timothy mcveigh was executed. prior to the rally, trump posted on his site truth social that filing charges against him could result in "potential death and destruction." the manhattan grand jury that could indict trump is expected to resume its work today. trump also posted a photo of himself holding a baseball bat next to a picture of manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. on friday, trump referred to bragg, manhattan's first black d.a., as an "animal." also on friday, a threatening letter and containing white powder. "the texas observer" says it is shutting down and will lay off its 17-person staff after 68 years of publication. the storied magazine was the long-time home of progressive journalists, including ronnie dugger, molly ivins, and kaye northcott. "the observer" is known for its combative style, its muckraking investiga

that church is now led by this man, he's a pastor like waco's leader, david koresh in the 90s, he preaches about the coming apocalypse. his sermon, has a new star. he believes, donald trump is the anointed of god, and that trump is a battering ram that, god's using to bring down the deep state of babylon. that pastor told the new york times, he's for sure going to trump's rally tomorrow. donald trump is choosing to kick off his presidential campaign in a place that happens to be the center of a lot of violent symbolism, a place with a bloody history of citizen led uprising against the federal government. and there's more. this is timothy mcvay, a 24 years old mcvay visited waco in 1993. he went while the siege was underway as a show of support for the armed call, and to sell anti government pro gun tee shirts and bumper stickers. you likely know mcveigh is the one the oklahoma city bombers, in 1995 mcveigh's partner carrie nickel, committed the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in u.s. history, blowing up a federal vote in oklahoma city. they killed 168 people, and wounded hundreds of ot

here is his most recent book, "w aco, david koresh, the branch davidians, and a legacy of range." everything that you have seen today on in-depth will re-air this evening. now, we continue our live coverage of the tucson festival of books. next, we show you a program from yesterday. this is an author discussion on the opioid crisis. >> the world changed in 1996 when purdue pharma bought -- brought out oxycontin. it became the go-to prescribed opioid that promised hours of relief from severe pain. the controlled release formula was supposed to have less abuse potential because it won't be absorbed slowly and there was not an instant high. wrong. in 2001, 107,000 to 108,000 died from overdoses. i will quote the "washington post" scott higman that is the equivalent of a 737 boeing crashing and burning and killing everybody on board every single day. today's three authors all have spent hours with interviews and research and the unraveled millions of strands that created the opioid crisis. first is sarah horwitz. her book is the american cartel inside the battle to bring down the opio

and for the irony of qanoners elevated david koresh, cnn saying it was an islamic terror plot on then islamic plot, i've got whack whackos running around my district. >> mcveigh was there, sat on the highway, watched it, gave out anti-government literature and bumper stickers, pro second amendment rights. koresh, the reason the fbi was there is because he was turning semiautomatic weapons into machine guns. they were converting -- that's what tipped off the atf in the first place. mcveigh did the oklahoma city bombing. when they asked him why he did what he did in oklahoma city, he said waco started this war. this is the 30 year anniversary. we're in the middle of the 51 days. the trump thing was dark and ominous, not just to go to waco, but to go in a period that's considered the anniversary of the whole 51 days. that's why people were wigged out about trump going there. and that war for a lot of people still going on. >> the twisted thing, it ends with the convict choir, elevating other people who actually tried to overthrow the united states government. tried to overflow an electi