♪ ♪ >>> i met a ku klux klan member by the side of a dark road. yay. reams are coming true. [ laughter ] but yeah, the new klan is sort of like they're diminished from the last klan. i mean, it's like when you go see one of the classic-era motown bands now. you know what i mean? you know what i'm saying? like you go see -- i went to see the temptations like a few years ago. and it's not the same. that's like the klan. it's not the same. i once saw the temptations. used to be five guys. now it's four. you know it's not the original guys because one of them's white and the other dude's in his 20s. [ laughter ] the only guy who's an original member of the temptations is so old he's sitting on a stool the whole time. dancing his ass off. [ laughter ] ain't too proud to beg. so i think i can't just judge the klan by this one dude. i've got to go talk to more klan members. which is the first time a black guy's ever said that sentence in life. [ laughter ] >> my next stop on the "where are they now" klan edition is dawson springs, kentucky. walking the streets

the ku klux klan was invented september 1865. there were eight massacres, major, between 1866 and 1876 starting in memphis, ending in hamburg, south carolina, and 1876. so this was not an untroubled period. the ku klux klan hearings and all of these volumes are online now and you can read them. that's the closest that we've come in this country to a truth in reconciliation commission. when grant sent troops to suppress the ku klux klan. and they asked all of these black people who had been victimized by the ku klux klan. black women were raped, they were threatened, bribed, beaten to keep them from voting because they had so much power. and i think that the manifestation, the expression of all that power, not only scared the daylights out of the former south, as you might except, right, but i don't think the north was ready for all that black power either. because the north was complicit with the roll back of reconstruction. certainly you could see signs by 1872. 1873 is the first great depression in the united states. it's called

i said that the 13th was ratified december 6th, 1860, five ku klux klan was celebrated 1865. re were eight haram's. major between 1866 and 1876. strike it memphis. ending in hamburg, south carolina, in 1876. so this one was not a untroubled period. the ku klux klan hearings and all of these volumes are online now and you can read them. that is the closest that we have come in this country to a truth and reconciliation commission. grant sent troops to suppress the click click glenn. all these black people had been victimized by the ku klux klan because they have been trying to vote. why men were raped, black men were, lynched they were threatened, even arrived, there were offers of bribes to keep them from voting because they had so much power and i think that the manifestation and expression of all of that power not only scared the daylights out of the former south, as you might expect, but i don't think the north was ready for all of that white power. because the north was complicit with the rollback of reconstruction. certainly you could see by 1872, 1873 is the great depres

what i can tell you is the ku klux klan groups are going down. that's been an interesting phenomenon. a number of longtime white supremacy groups, those numbers are dropping. i think it's for a couple of reasons. today, if you are discovered in your workplace that you are a member of the k.k.k., you will likely get fired. so that has discouraged people from becoming formal members of the k.k.k. we've seen a precipitous drop in the number of k.k.k. branches across the country. but white nationalist groups are not yet as well known and it's one of the reasons why, again, reports lifting up who these groups are and what they espouse is really important so that employers can understand the risks of those groups so that the federal government and state and local governments can understand the risks of those groups. and we are still seeing very high numbers of white nationalist groups across the country, many of whom were involved on january 6. lisa: you kind of touched on the fact that there's aparently been some, i don't know how you want to put it,

hays admit she's a member of the ku klux klan.ges that could send him to the electric chair if convicted of killing a young black man, michael donald. >> the two or three times that i paid any attention to henry, he appeared to be scared to death, justifiably so, because the ship was sinking. every witness i put on was another nail in his coffin. >> when tiger knowles told the story, i think everybody was so amazed. because if it hadn't been for him, we would have never known. >> testifying for the prosecution, jamesed at his fel klan sman michael knowles and said they killed donald in 1981 because he was black. >> the klan wanted the message to get back to the black people of not just alabama, but of the whole united states that we would not stand for a black person killing a white police officer and getting away with it, especially in alabama. we'd gotten the rope and we'd gotten the gun, and i tried the hangman's news in henry's car. we were out on a hunt. that's what we were doing. we were hunting black people. >> klansmen sai

i was like, i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan.hen it got quiet for a long time. but i could tell it was that kind of quiet where they were like that might be good for ratings. but kamau might die. but that might be really good for ratings. [ laughter ] when i pitched the ku klux klan idea i didn't think they'd actually let me do it. you know what i mean? i was just trying to be edgy and get the jo

and there began to see a militant resurgence ever the ku klux klan, they put major klan actions out of business and one of the first and perhaps most famous of this cases, an all-white jury in mobile, alabama awarded a $7 million verdict to the mother of 19-year-old michael donald. michael was a black teenager who was picked up off the street by klansmen, tortured, murdered and hung from a tree in a residential neighborhood. that case put an end to the united klans of america, the same group responsible for the deadly bombing of the 16th street baptist church in birmingham. for the murder of lee ola liuzo after the selma march and other atrocities. that's been facet of our work, and since then launched hundreds of cases to protect the rights of black and brown people, underserved communities, children, women, workers, immigrants, the lbgtq community, incarcerated people and many others. >> on the heels of the cases, they started klan watch, today known as the intelligence project. analyzes trends in their movements. you may be familiar with our annual year in hate and extremism report

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the fact of the matter is, we have to keep in mind that the ku klux klan used, as their symbol, the cross. now, a lot of people don't focus on the fact that one of the original names, i say one because there were different factions of the ku klux klan, was the white christian knights. white christian knights. we tend to gloss over the fact that there was a point back in the 1920's, when, an after church event took place in the town square, they went down to watch a hanging. now a lot of people gloss over , the fact that they -- that there have been speeches given from the legislatures in the south in support of slavery. now when you look at all of , that, you have to come to grips with the fact that we've got to decide whether or not we will continue to allow biblical teachings to be used to support submissiveness. and i'm trying to stay away from it, but i have to use it, to even support slavery. people go all the way back to genesis to make the argument in support of the difference in who is blessed and who is cursed. so, what i said, you know my dad , and i used to talk all the time ab

cp ellis was a leader in the local chapter of the ku klux klan.n morphed into a plan. he ripped up his kkk membership card. real-life events were portrayed in a recent hollywood movie "the best of enemies," putting people with opposing ideas in a room for ten days to work it all out. acquaint. that's what our democracy is based upon and we're doing a terrible job of it right now. to have constructive discussions about real issues slips away daily as anxiety and fear seeps in. less common ground, wisdom. discourse has been replaced by gas lighting, trolling and zero sum thinking. anti-trans bills, anti-immigrant sentiment. radical politicians. everything say cultural wedge. we are wired to defend our values and principles and prnl beliefs from anyone or anything we feel is attacking them. in fact, that's the only common theme left. everyone in america feels like they're under attack. while there are gaps in consensus, there are no longer bridges. where there were one sides that try to work together there's infinish infinite corners. there's your si

. >> but the ku klux klan isn't against leftist radicals, they're against black people, jews.elieve now that you didn't believe then? >> it just depends on who is looking at it. when i've ever read anything like that, it just seemed like they were just pro heritage. >> the ku klux klan? >> well, in some forms. but i'm not here to defend them. that was 28 years ago, and i will not spend one more day from -- i did this last year. no more apologies. >> when i was looking at social media, you had put this picture here saying jodi vow was coming to speak at one of your rallies here. this is jody vow, a racist. to me this is a nazi hand gesture. then he posted here, get in, we're hunting judea, and he's talking about jews. do you think he's a white supremacist? >> i wouldn't call him a supremacist. i know he's got some issues -- >> but he had already posted those things when you invited him. >> i wasn't aware of any of his other extreme radicalism. >> on your social media, these are the people following you with swastikas and white power signs. why are these people attracted to you

it's the ku klux klans appropriation of what they thought was a confederate flag so you can make some very simple descriptions. and do you know mitch andrew is the guy who struggled over talked to lonnie? i'm sure talk to me. talked to winton marsalis a lot of people about what to do and he did the right thing right these things aren't melted down into you know bullets or anything like they're in museums and we interpret interpret interpret. this is what this man spends his life doing. that's that's what we've got to do and no, but nothing's been erased. nothing has been erased and the problem is that sometimes there is a tendency on the other side to want to erase and to say you can't say this anymore or you can't talk about that. we've got to continue to talk about nathan bedford forrest, but do we have to name a high school after him? i don't think so. so what we should also note, by the way, i think it was just this past year that mississippi finally changed its flag. correct? yes. yeah, it took a little while. listen. i do want to bring in the audience to a couple of polling ques

. >> the ku klux klan was involved in harassing them. >> they burned a cross out here. >> when that didn'tent decided to take the property under the guise of eminent domain. it really was stolen from them. [ chants ] >> reporter: inspired by the black lives matter movement, l.a. supervisor janice hahn is working to return the land, clearing the first legal hurdle. >> it was bittersweet. when we were last in manhattan beach, the bruces, it was a terrible situation for us. >> reporter: you're afraid you may be treated poorly when you go back? >> i hope for the best, but i'll prepare for the worst. >> reporter: less than 1% of manhattan beach residents are black today, and many believe it's a direct result of shutting down bruce's lodge. >> this is like the catalyst to look and see is this how african-american people who have been mistreated can their get land back? >> reporter: righting a wrong from a century ago. carter evans, cbs news, manhattan beach, california. >>> coming up on "cbs this morning," we speak with one of the jurors in the derek chauvin murder trial, brandon mitchell, on th

in fact, one member from the opposition benches presented commissioners as members of the ku klux klanhe very online racial hatred and abuse which recommended more action be taken by government. following the black lives matter movement, the commission had an opportunity to meaningfully engage with structural racism in the uk. instead, they published incoherent, divisive and offensive materials that appear to glorify slavery, downplay the role of institutional and structural racism, and blame ethnic minorities for their own disadvantage. it is absolutely clear to all of us on this side of the house and across civil society that this report has no credibility. so i'm disappointed to hear the minister double down on it here today. how she can she stand before us in this house and defend the indefensible? marsha de cordova claimed downing street had rewritten parts of what she described as... a shoddy, point—scoring polemic which ignores evidence and does not represent the country that i know and love. it is reprehensible, mr deputy speaker, and i hope the minister will reject it today so

they have always had the ku klux klan, they have always had the police to do their two -- to do their footwork for the movement. host: are these groups closely aligned with republicans? guest: they fall in two categories. there are groups that are very heavily trump is and i would say trumpist then they more broadly republican because trump is the person they more broadly identified with. and then there are groups that are more agnostic and less focused on trump and less devoted to trump. but i think he is a big part. if mitt romney had been president, if george w. bush had been president, i don't think these movements would have had the sort of energy that they have had. host: let's hear from christopher in marietta, california. caller: good morning. great conversation. just reflecting in the last week , the nation's capital, we have national guard up there in barriers and we had that gentleman drives the vehicle -- drive the vehicle into police officers. where do you place that in reference to the boogaloo boys? would you say there movement is a more democrat-socialist agenda or mor

republican party which has become the proud boys, and they have always been there and always had the ku klux klan and had the police to do there and be their foot soldiers. >> are these groups closely aligned with republicans? >> i would say they fall into two categories, there are groups that are very heavily trumpists, and i would say trumpists more than broadly republican, because trump is who they identify with, and then there are groups that i would say are more agnostic and less focused on trump and less devoted to trump, i would say, but i think he's a big part of what things had changed. if mitt romney had been president or george bush would have been president i don't think the movements would have had the energy they have had the last few years. >> let's hear from mereta, california. >> caller: good morning, gentlemen. great conversation. just in the last week the nation's capitol, we have the national guard and we had that gentleman drive into two police officers and did it with a knife and not a gun, and then the nation of islam, where do you place that in reference to say the pwaog a

a courtroom heard that killing of the work of a ku klux klan. >> mrs.ial because it would have been too painful. she lost a child and had to relive that would be devastating to any parent. consider what beulah donald was going through trying to secure justice for michael donald while grieving his death. con now in the wake of eric gardner's death, consider all the mothers behind the hashtags who has children we understand to be human beings. >> i am a child, the mother and the father and the family, we die a little everyday. >> what happened to george floyd brought back so vividly of how my son was killed. there are so many mothers and fathers whose child have been murdered and no one heard about them. they are the nameless and faceless, their pain is the same. >> when the strietrial started,d not go to any trials. i had gotten so little and the doctor was seeing that i was not eating. i didn't want anything to eat. i had gotten so small. my mom was worried about me. she said, "are you all right"? because i drop so much weight so little time. >> the two

. >> the ku-klux klan was involved in harassing them. >> reporter: they burned a cross right out heret didn't drive them away, the city government decided to take the property, under the guise of eminent domain. it really was stolen from them. >> use your voice! >> reporter: inspired by the black lives matters movement, l.a. county supervisor janice hahn is working with state legislators to return the land. today, they cleared the first legal hurdle, with a unanimous vote. >> it's bittersweet. when we were last in manhattan beach, the bruces, it was a terrible situation for us. >> reporter: you're afraid you may be treated poorly when you go back. >> i hope for the best, but i'll prepare for the worst. >> reporter: today, less than 1% of manhattan beach residents are black, and many here believe it's a direct result of shutting down bruce's lodge. >> this is kind of like the catalyst for the nation to kind of look at this and see, is this how african american people who have been mistreated can get their land back? >> reporter: righting a wrong from a century ago. carter evans, cbs ne

. >> at a time of extreme prejudice, in the 1920's and 1930's, the ku klux klan for instance, was inansas city in 1922, for a convention. 10,000 but it klansmen did a parade down main street, grand avenue. while in the convention, one of their chants was, goodbye, tom, goodbye, joe, your crooked gang has got to go. they were referring to tom pendergast and joe shannon, his took al and sometime competitor on the democrat political -- democratic political scene locally. one of the reasons that ku klux klan targeted tom pendergast was, he was later described as a man of equal opportunity graft. he treated african-americans as votes, first and foremost. he helped any group that needed it, as long as they were registered to vote. but i think that is another side of the pendergast machine that maybe was not copied, was not replicated, in other cities. he reached out and worked with all the different communities, black, white, when it came to election day, because everybody's vote was the same. >> eventually, the late 1930's, 1938, he got involved in insurance kickback scheme. and actually,

it is the ku klux klan's appropriation of what they thought was the confederate flag. so you can make some simple descriptions -- mitch landrieu talked to lonnie, me, when marsalis -- lonnie, me, winton marsalis, and he did the right thing. these are in museums. we interpret. this is what this man spends his life doing. that is what we have to do. and nothing has been erased. nothing has been erased and the problem is that sometimes there is a tendency on the other site to want to erase and to say you cannot say this anymore or you cannot talk about that. we have got to continue to talk about nathan bedford forrest, but do we have to name a high school after him? i don't think so. >> we should also note, by the way, it was just this past year that mississippi finally changed its flag. >> yes. >> it took a little while. i do want to bring in the audience to a couple of polling questions we have pulled together to get a sense of where everyone's head is. there is this idea of being included in the narratives. audience, you will see this question pop up in on -- pop up on

systemic racism, if you look atjoe biden himself, he spoke at a ku klux klan members funeral and dido say that is the case and now he is the president! if he cared about white supremacy and racism he should step down as the president because he is an exemplification of that very thing. these people are running them mouths are not being honest. we don't have a problem with racism in the country, we have a problem with people not following the law. we have a problem with politicians making up problem with politicians making up things they can be re—elected and that is exactly what has happened. that is way never see anything change. they are lying to us. the never see anything change. they are lying to us— are lying to us. the rate of bein: are lying to us. the rate of being killed _ are lying to us. the rate of being killed by _ are lying to us. the rate of being killed by police, - are lying to us. the rate of being killed by police, the| being killed by police, the rate is higher amongst black people then amongst the rest of the population. how do you account for that if that is not

with high-powered assault rifles trying to sneak up to morris' house. >> the neo-nazis and the ku klux klan are closely allied. both groups claim they have infiltrated military reserve units and can get their hands on a variety of sophisticated weapons. >> they had a hate list of people they wanted to kill. >> the hit list assigns value to targets. they included everything from killing a ran dom person of color all the way up to the assassination of major targets that they would like addressed. >> the fbi showed me a copy. i was on top of that list. one of the guys that they wanted to kill was alan berg, denver radio talk show host. he was condemning the neo-nazis, and they mowed him down, killed him, shot him. that got our attention in a big way, i can assure you. >> morris dees told my mom, i have gotten death threats. are you prepared for this? she said, i don't care. i just want the world to know what has happened to my son. >> beulah mae donald versus united klans of america. she put her name, one person, one individual, one mother against the klan. she knew that the klan had no proble

cnn original series tells the true story of buella mae donald, a black mother who took down the ku klux klan me i was going too heavily involved in the clklan, and i was going to where i knew too much. if anything ended up happening -- he took his hand and done like that, he said your pockets will be padded with money, you'll never have to work ever again, but if you ever open your mouth about the klan, you are going to die. >>> don't miss the powerful conclusion of the people versus the klan, with back-to-back episodes tomorrow not at 9:00 right here on cnn. it's all included with 2 lines for only $70 bucks! only at t-mobile. i have a convenience store delivery for super grover? oh, yeah, he said just put it there. [super grover] ahhhhh ah! perfect timing. get more from your neighborhood. ahhh, so soft! doordash. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless every day. and having more days is possible with verzenio, proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant. verzenio + fulvestrant is for women with hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer that has prog

lot there were a lot of black elected officials and he was chased out of madison parish by the ku klux klan in 1879 and her brothers followed him to saint louis again records that are in the library of congress and the national so i was really able to rely on those senate hearings about that exodusters movement in order to tell their story once they got to st. louis. they joined saint paul ame church, which had a history of taking in recent migrants, and then they learned how to be barbers. well, that's a good segue to this question. what what's surprised you or amazed you the most in your research? so i just like other people who are who are my age who had hurt a madam walker, you know, she started a hair care company and that was kind of the whole story, but as i began to do research about her i discovered that she was an international entrepreneur. she was a pioneer the modern hair care industry, but that she then once she had some influence. she used that influence as a philanthropist and as a really outspoken political activists speaking out on behalf of black soldiers during world war

years being the lieutenant to a guy who dresses up either in blackface, or the grand legal of the ku klux klant's in the democratic party. it has been treated by george floyd, he's not dead. he hasn't been treated by stomach like emmett till. he spent four years palling around with some guy who dresses up in clown robes. not in the 1920s and go straight or revival of the clan. we've reached almost all the identity politics, and inherently ridiculous because it is about powerful corrupt people. as you always say about meghan markle, posing as victims. in this case, the pose out to be laughed off the stage. you will notice, it wasn't. >> tucker: by the way, i do discount some allegations against people. i know what it is to be falsely accused, but this was -- as far as i remember, in one case it was a black woman, by the way, accusing him of forced oral in very specific terms. how is it lynching when a blackk man is accused by a black woman of forced oral? that's a serious question. >> it is. that that's what -- the other allegation is even worse. it's a straight up accusation credible accusatio

story should leave us all wondering why do we not know of a woman who was unafraid to take on the ku klux klan why aren't these stories told? >> perhaps with this 21st century movement, where we are reminding people that black lives matter, perhaps black mothers might be able to sleep a little easier. i am optimistic. people are ready. >> we just got to love one another and turn away from all this hatred. >> we cannot forget. we cannot forget. and we must continue to fight. >> we're trying to save our children. we're trying to save our future generations. let's get rid of the system that we have now and build a new system that will be fair to all of us. people should come together as they're coming together now. this should just be a moment. it should be a movement to come together. >> in the present moment, we honor the names of people who have been lost to hate. by saying aloud, say his name. say her name. say their names. >> every hashtag that you read today and endeavor to see the humanity behind the hashtag is a part of this legacy, because his mother, beulah mae donald, chose to take on

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robert byrd was a recruiter for the clue clocks clan, -- recruiter for the ku klux klan, lawyer for thema bunch of them went to his funeral and i don't recall people saying, by the way, robert byrd wasn't -- was one of the most famous members of the ku klux klan in history and people like joe biden talking about jim crow. joe biden a good friend of his. i remember when joe biden was supportive basically of jim crow. jim crow, people don't even know what it is. i experienced it when i was a child. it's separate and unequal. jim crow was created by the southern democrat party. the ku klux klan was created by the southern democrat party and of these people don't even know american history because they are not teaching it anymore and all this stuff used to be taught at the university and i don't think they are teaching it anymore and i am just so shocked. when joe biden gets up and talks about white skin, he's a racist. when he talks about everyone white being racist, he's sick and people. white people were made by god, just like people with black and brown skin and skin color does not make

i think it's quite ironic that it's the ku klux klan's suit. that says a lot. hoping that it will be a vehicle to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. >> i'm out of time. i want to pivot back for a moment to the question of the floyd act. because one of the sticking points we are hearing -- i'm talking with my hat on as the national action network, part of the civil right fighting to see this bill pass, is that one of the sticking points is qualified immunity. a lot of us not wanting to see a compromise in that area. explain why that is so important and explain why you have been fighting to make sure we end qualified immunity. >> well, first of all, i think that the police officers and the republican party generated a lot of hysteria around qualified immunity. if we remove immunity from officers so that they can be sued by people who they victimize, no one will want to be a police officer, police officers are going to retire. what i say back to them is that until we find a way to hold officers accountable so that officers like derek chauvin don't

it generated fear and outrage and the black community believed it was the ku klux klan. fought for justice and took the kla flrks to court and took them down and her story is "the people versus the klan" on c nnn this weekend >> the hurt is still there. i just visualize her face. i don't want to talk about it. she was a quiet woman. all the neighborhoods that we lived in, everybody loved her. >> "the people versus the klan" premieres sunday night at 9:00. "ac 360" starts now. >>> good evening. the tenth day of witness testimony in the derek chauvin murder trial may prove to be one of the most important. two physicians including the medical examiner that performed an autopsy and ruled it a homicide, a pivotal moment for a defense that rests in large part on trying to create doubt in the mind of one juror about the factors that actually contributed to george

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but do not all of a sudden make her the leader of the ku klux klan. don't talk about it was this mass conspiracy. the people that don't want the police are unaffected because they don't need police in their life. they have body guards, they have families, cars, houses, security. they have cameras. so of course they can say i don't need police. i don't want police until they need them. when they need them? they take them from us. protests go on. you have a protest over here at city hall. turns into a riot. as soon as they get within two blocks of their home, national guard, police officers are pulled off the dollar store, out of target and have to go keep their neighborhood safe. the neighborhood is destroyed. they come on their pulpit and say we don't need the police. >> greg: yeah. >> we cannot get better until we be more honest with ourselves. >> greg: absolutely. kat, last word to you. where do you stand on the defund the police thing since you're a libertarian and hate everything with a passion. >> absolutely. i would hate to cement my position as

this is the same kind of rhetoric that's coming from the ku klux klan of the 1950s, that segregation jim crow wasn't that bad. it's astonishing that's coming from the newspaper that used to be the newspaper of record, "the washington post." it's a disgrace and glenn kessler should absolutely apologize to senator scott. >> shannon: he used the words in this article that we decided to dig in to the background of the census records and all these other things and i'm thinking why? i'm not sure that anybody thought he was lying about anything and he comes away from the article saying what he said is accurate. but tim scott who by the way has been chosen by the republicans to be the response to president biden's joint address to congress last month said "no amount of fact-checking or attacks from the mainstream media will ever take away from the struggles that my family overcame. we have to call out to this casual racism against black republicans when we see it, it's shameful and we cannot allow it to go unnoticed. >> i couldn't agree more with senator tim scott on this panel, getting into

immunity has in many instances become the hood for bad police officers to, in fact, act as modern-day ku klux klanbers against black and brown people in this country. and it has got to stop. members -- the most conservative members of the supreme court say that congress needs to do something about qualified immunity. and we cannot shirk our responsibility to victims and americans at large because we are afraid of the unions or talking points or those on the right who have used the blue wall as a shield against american justice. >> let me just really quick, because i know you had said you had not seen tim scott's proposal but the bottom line is, his idea is to make sure police departments -- so in the cases you outlined, the police departments would be held liable, not the individual police officers. if that's what it took to agree to that, to get a police reform deal done, would you be open to that? would that be acceptable to you? >> you know, i would have to look at that again and really review it. my first reaction is that police departments, if they have created an environment in which a polic

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has, in many instances, become the hood for bad police officers to, in fact, act as modern-day ku klux klan members against black and brown people in this country. and it has got to stop. >> so, you know, clearly, strong words there. do you agree? does any meaningful police reform have to include an end to the laws protecting individual police officers from prosecution? is that a dealbreaker for you? >> absolutely. listen. if you are not going to hold the officers accountable, then what's the point? i mean, holding an agency accountable, maybe is being talked about. rather than being the liability shift to the responsible officer. if you don't do anything to deter the bad behavior of one officer, who may be committing misconduct. how, then, do you stop that bad behavior? you have in derek chauvin, an officer who was engaged in obvious misconduct, which led to 22 sustain -- or 22 personnel complaints, only one of which he was ever disciplined for. and so clearly, over his 19-year career, he learned nothing. collecting personnel complaints, as if they were gifts from a good friend. >> yeah. y

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immunity has in many instances become the hood for bad police officers to in fact add as modern day k ku klux klanot to stop. >> are you open to senator scott's compromise that would keep protection for individual officers but would allow lawsuits against police departments? >> look, i am not getting into the details. i met with cory booker for 45 minutes an hour ago. i encouraged him to see what we can do. obviously it is a very serious problem that must be dealt with in a strong way. a systematic bias in policing and in law enforcement and we have to do everything we can to erase it. cory booker believes he's making good progress and i think we have a decent chance of getting a strong bipartisan bill. >> do you think there is some immunity required if you want to attract great people to be police officers and not have them be afraid? >> i am not going to prejudge what corey and tim and others are working on. i have told them we want a bill, we want it to be a strong bill, this is a very, very serious issue and we have to -- we need strong medicine. >> the other issue is as president biden talks

like tom paxton, the kingston trio, your friendly neighborhood ku klux klan, the ballad of sparrow agaw, all those kinds of songs i was attracted to as a kid for some reason, but saturday night live, in the mid seventies and how they approached things in a very controversial way. i think i heard recently ethan hawk, the actor talking about the influence of richard prior, eddie murphy and chris rock, for instance, as being responsible for him learning about racism. but it was all done through humor, and i think i also had that experience as well. you, know experience as well. pearl from hee haw and the grand ole opry, i love to watch or two and i thought she was hysterical. . >> i knew moe you tall and his son to. moe coined to two inmates were in federal prison that were in the mess hall and one turn to the other and said, you know, the food was better here when you were gone. >> you alluded to this earlier mark, but humor does change over the years. i mean, there is stuff you couldn't get away with 30 years ago they can get away with now. >> yeah, that's why i guess there was a line y