this phenomenally important decision that three times he should feel it significant enough to chew the kud, talk to, listen to, warn newspaper -- and it's what it leads -- it's whether it is appropriate to draw any conclusion about the relationship because that, i suppose is what i'm supposed to be thinking about. >> if i suspected rupert murdoch, i suspect had he been in london for that time, would he have seen him for a cup of tea or a half an hour chat, i suppose he would. i said before he's a very, very significant player in the media landscape. put it this way. i was, if anything, surprised at how few phone calls there had been when the cabin office produced this record. not that there had been, as you seem to think, so many. >> it's not so many, it's just the fact of them against all the other competing demands upon his time. he knew what the view of the sun was. he made it abundantly clear. he didn't have to speak to mr. murdoch. he could pick up a copy of the times. >> i can see why you say that. it's important to remember -- you see, we're looking to this now and people may think

and iran has supplied forces to the kuds the paramilitary force and revolutionary force providing technicalssistance to the scenes and has been has been caught giving aways to syria and is the chief protector of syria at the u.n., and of course the obama administration for better or worse has choicen to pursue diplomacy and hitting a roadblock from russia and china. >>trace: we hear talk of nato intervention, how tricky would that be? >>guest: there are a public of risks involved. we are off the expense of libya where we started with a no-fly zone and that is another way of saying we will go to war. in doubt the u.s. military and the allies can do that effectively but this could be another open-ended military commitment at a time when the united states military and american voters are fatigued with war after war after war. a lot could be done not middle that hasn't been done, and that would be a better approach. >>trace: and we five months ahead of the election and the next step would be for someone to call president putin and said let's get this stopped. >>guest: well, evidently, the presi

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he's also concerned about what kuds cuts in defense spending will mean to national security and our economythe congressman is embarking on a 20-state tour to promote defense cuts. >> great to be with you this morning. >> what are you planning to tell people? >> just the facts. that is in just a few months we're going to have a trillion dollars the cuts to national defense. that puts them on the ragged edge. the navy will have fewer ships than we've had in a hundred years. we'll be giving 200 pink slips to active men and women in the military today and according to secretary of defense, it will cost 1.5 million jobs across the country. the biggest concern is we're moving dangerously close to a point where we'll no longer be able to guarantee the security of the united states or u.s. interest and i think that's something the american people don't want us to do. >> isn't it congress's fault for putting us in this position? >> i don't think so. i think first of all i didn't vote for the bill but the second thing is most people in washington realize the reason we got here is if you look at the s