kurt volker with me now. good morning to you.ut 30 minutes ago we were watching the president at the table there with the b-nine as they call them, the bucharest nine. what's the takeaway. >> several things. first the president's visit to ukraine was very important and shows we're in this and going to support ukraine and attaching u.s. prestige, which is important. solidarity to american allies. he is saying that we'll be there in case they're threatened as well. he is also showing that the u.s. is engaged and involved. as you pointed out earlier china is now trying to step forward and nudge aside the u.s. saying they're looking for a peaceful solution. it is actually a very strong statements by president biden this week. >> bill: let's go to china's role. "wall street journal." this is what they write editorial board. if russia receives arms from china, the war will descend to a bloodier stalemate or ukrainian defeat. the risks of backing ukraine are real. the risk of abandoning it are greater. they've put up a fight. absent mor

about ukraine, for as long as it takes and kurt volker the former u.s.f joins me now and is are investor is america united and back in ukraine and have million i don't think it is. guest: while think indefinitely, that is the wrong metric i think this race as long as it takes, it is time to update that because nobody knows what it means and as long as what it takes exactly sue went to win when i guess but well how would you define went in ukraine. guest: right, but i think that ukraine has to defeat russian forces in ukraine and push them back to the borders russia has to say okay, we're done fighting and that's what we have to do and if that is a measure, and president biden and janet yellen are going to khiv we should be putting everything and everything into this as quickly as possible so say let's get this over with as quickly as we can instead. stuart: could you make a military analysis or judgment here that if we did give them what they need, ukraine can win and win quickly. kurt: yes, i think so in a couple of things i need, meaning the longest ra

with that, we bring in kurt volker, former u.s. ambassador to nato and former special representative for ukraine negotiations. good to have you with us today. vladimir putin one of the things that he said is that he's pulling out of the one remaining nuclear weapons treaty that russia was not in full compliance with. now they're officially out of it. what does that mean in terms of what he has in mind, sir? >> well, i think what he's trying to do is get inside the heads of people in the biden administration who he believes really care about nuclear arms control. getting them to be fearful that oh, maybe hour support for ukraine is taking us the wrong direction. the reality is just as you said, they weren't fully implementing this treat tiny way. they had limited inspections. what keeps us safe here is not the arms control treaty is deterrence. as far as we're prepared for a strong deterrent, i wouldn't worry about this step. >> martha: that's growing concern about the amount of money going into this. the president just gave another

former ambassador kurt volker served as u.s. envoy to ukraine joins us now.he said he is getting out of the nuclear treaty. he had a veiled threat of using nuclear weapons he said this war was started by ukraine and the western allies. your thoughts? >> yeah. first off, it's important that the president went because he is now staked america's credibility on ukraine winning this war. and that's terribly important. i hope the administration follows up and starts providing all the weapons we can rather than holding back on things. now, with putin and the nuclear treaty. they weren't implementing it anyway. they weren't allowing inspections. this is just one more steps in a whole series of t of treaties hs stopped implementing. deterrence works. finally you brought up this point of history. he has made up history all along the way to claim justification for his attack on ukraine. these are not any more russia's historic lands than they are anybody else's. >> brian: how serious do you take the veiled threat on nukes? >> i don't think he will do it. i think he know

discussions, agro still turns out to be one of priority directions here, by the way today i spoke with kurt volker minister at our next meeting in ukraine and discuss the issue of how to help restore the functioning of our ports because unfortunately, our time has run out, but we really hope that we will have more conversations ahead of us and we will continue this interesting topic , sheremet's novel, professor of economics at case western reserve university, the united states of america, was in touch with us . thank you very much, rescuers of kyiv services rescuers often go to calls in order to tow an abandoned or broken vehicle and restore the movement of cars, but we can find out what special vehicles the rescuers themselves drive right now, because today our correspondent artem derkachev artemov is on night duty with the rescue service. i congratulate you once again. your night shift is going like this. congratulations colleagues , we are already greeting you. we continue our gentle shift, we continue to tell you about the work of the kyiv rescue service. actually, i wanted to tell you a litt

already very important on this path, and at the same time , the former us special representative for kurt volker at one time was the american ambassador to nato, believes that the provision of combat aircraft to ukraine is simply a matter of time , well, in his opinion, this decision will be reached in the same way as it happened with tanks and other heavy weapons, in the end they were given the go-ahead, although at first he hesitated believes that now the first priority is the need for ammunition that should be used with a target, it will take several months to convert some lines that specialize in other types of ammunition to the production of artillery projectiles, but with regard to combat aircraft, i guess in the end this decision will be reached. in my opinion, this is in the category of those things where at first we said no and then finally came to a conclusion and said yes yes in the beginning it was long-range artillery with tanks with missiles i think we will reach in order to provide ukraine with airplanes, a certain training of ukrainian pilots is already taking place. therefore, i

support of the ukrainian defense forces , this plan can be implemented by the end of august this year kurt volkerit is well known that the official from the former special agent of the us government in ukraine also emphasizes that, so i once again hope that this official has the appropriate access to information and on the basis of this access to information, they make absolutely optimistic conclusions for me, but i believe in them, because it is obvious that those 10 maybe 12 brigades from the strategic reserve of the armed forces of ukraine , the defense force of ukraine is being prepared for a reason and it is not easy, and their mission will include and in the implementation of the same promised plan for the liberation of not only the south of zaporozhye and kherson regions, but also the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea and sevastopol , of course we must understand here that the outcome of any duel depends on the direction of the action or members of the e-e of this court, and here we see how briskly the russians intensified their activities to strengthen the defense of e-e fortif

ambassador to it in a kurt volker here tom cotton said right there reporting we saw state department labs that, suspicions about that asame he gets attacked for that. >> a media for some rb continues to go, along with this administration's narrative, communist china competitor spoovz to adversary the ccp wants to overtake united states as number superpower are they unin formed about reality of the most. >> i do think you hear more about china than inner obama has moved over last 10 years, and you have people like national security advisory jake sullivan focused on champion, at the same time i by we ought to be canid up front talking about coronavirus, are important, because it shows, that there is a systemic issue with china not just as the fact they had a lab but as tom cotton said the way they handled that after outbreak gives a sense we can't rely on communist party of china so that i want your take on this partnership between, china, an russia, the president of belarus one of vladimir putin's closest allies will visit china the trip shoerment after ukrainian president zelenskyy s

ambassador to nato kurt volker, the u.s. special representative for ukraine negotiations. ambassador, what is your reaction to president biden's speech today? what stood out to you? >> well several things. first off, i'm very pleased he went to ukraine and then went to poland and delivered this speech because what he's doing is laying out the case, why ukrainian's fight for freedom is america's fight as well. that it is important to the united states that ukraine be victorious in this war. the follow on from this should be that we accelerate our support for ukraine. we've been a bit slow in the way we provided support over the past year. we need to help the ukrainians win more quickly. it's too early for a victory lap but great he's out there saying that we are committed. >> i want to talk to you more about that in a moment, but president putin also gave his speech this morning, and he made a pointed announcement about suspending participation in the start nuclear treaty. do you think there's any significance to that at this moment? >> not really. they weren't full impleme

ambassador to nato, kurt volker. pick up where she left off there, sure ukraine has captured back territory russia has had its assets in but not much has moved in the last few months except a lot of people are dying and china is on the verge of jumping in by supplying weapons to russia. where do you think we are headed here, kurt? >> i think what we see now, russia trying to get more and more people into the military forces, they are doing mass mobilization, getting people out of prisons and throwing them to the front line and suffering enormous casualties, and it cannot go on on the russian side. and they are not succeeding and advancing. a year ago john we were looking at the studio of the maps of the russian columns of tanks and vehicles, ukraine has taken back over half of what the russians have taken since the war began and later on this summer as some equipment arrives, tanks promised, longer range artillery shells and hopefully the defense minister is right, aircraft as well, i think it will give ukraine the o

here's kurt volker on the significance of pulling out of the nuclear deal. >> putin and the nuclear treatyey weren't implanting it anyway. they weren't allowing inspections. i don't think he'll do it. i think he knows it would draw a devastating response against him and his military forces if he did, and i think his military is afraid to do it because they know that response will hit them, and they also know they don't have the protective equipment and using those nuclear weapons on the battlefield is going to hurt russian soldiers, as well, and it'll make the land uninhabitable. the whole point is to take land, why make it uninhabitable? they are throwing if you think they can at this, and all we are doing is giving ukrainians just enough, which is great, and they need it, but we should do everything possible to end this war as quickly as possible so that fewer people die and we are not facing the temptation of a longer war and possibly a putin that survives and attacks other countries. >> steve: he's not alone. people would like to see this wrapped up as soon as possible. in addition to