i'm also joined in the studio by kwasi kwarteng, former chancellor and matthew torbitt former labour party adviser. just to quickly cut in with you guys before i come back to kane here, kwasi, basically you filled the country up with millions of people. the impact is we just have to build loads of houses. >> so this has been an issue for 25 years, but much worse. >> in the last 14, i'd say. >> in the last 14, i'd say. >> i'd say no, actually, i'd say it's been. well, look at the numbers. well, look, not just the immigration. >> let far more people in than anybody else might have done, but the issue live somewhere. >> the issue is the house building and we haven't been housebuilding. that's the issue. that's the issue. >> so it's not just about how could you when you were projecting for tens of thousands a year net to build, how could you build houses for millions? >> so that was an issue. but of course, you will remember that when we had lots of immigration from the eu in the in the noughfies from the eu in the in the noughties with under tony blair, and that was an issue as well. and

i'm joined in the studio by lloyd russell—moyle, former labour mp, and kwasi kwarteng, former tory mphancellor lloyd. this is one. i mean, jeremy corbyn, for example, has been campaigning for decades on behalf of the chagossian community and they got a pretty rotten deal of it back in 1968 being taken off the islands. and what they say is they accept diego garcia, but they accept diego garcia, but they want to be able to settle on the neighbouring islands, and that's right and fair and proper. and we would be sort of undoing a terrible injustice on them. the ones i've spoken to. and the impression i get is that overwhelmingly they'd rather be under british sovereignty than mauritian sovereignty. but what about my idea of having referendum? >> well, i think your ideas are rather superb. one, actually. good lord, it can't be this agreement. usually. i'm usually very sceptical about referendums because we saw how awfully. oh, you don't like the result of the last one, do you? no, i know manipulator. they can be. but i do think we have a principle in this country that we don't do anything

i'm joined by kwasi kwarteng, former conservative member of parliament and chancellor, and lloyd russell—moyleformer labour mp. lloyd, the point i'm making there is we're still using the stuff. in fact , if this stuff. in fact, if this government goes ahead with many of its infrastructure projects , of its infrastructure projects, we're going to need huge amounts of steel. this is a tragic tale. should it now be nationalised? >> well, it is a tragic tale. i am more unique on the left that i don't really believe in nationalisation, but i do believe in corporatisation. or where you put it into trust. a bit like kind of a waitrose style kind of thing. i think nationalisation, you just end up getting bureaucrats running businesses down. but i do think that there is a solution or for example, governments holding golden shares to stop businesses going. i think that those opfions going. i think that those options need to be considered very strongly and almost consider it that what happens is it is owned by the government, but you lease it out to other companies to run it. for example, all those option

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