democrats floaty than and constituencies where the nor credible challenge from the labor party been couldn't you get a number of m.p.'s back on the on labor's coattails and it's not a reasonable chance of happening in in 5 years time when not they'll remember the evils of the coalition government between the tories and the liberal democrats. the lib dems biggest hope is that forces outside their control restore the party's fortunes as you've described the best thing that can happen to the lib dems is the worst thing that came out into the country a catastrophic conservative chorus johnson administration it's sad to hope for failure to get success for a party but we're talking about facts here rather than what's now when it comes to the question of who would benefit most from the party and not circumstance it's still a limb around because they will be some people who remember that davy is the risk and day makes the past new could be in trying to go back into another conservative coalition because he's got form then them around hasn't so if there is a lift it would help either of those 2 as leader but it would help l