. >> how often do you speak to le panetta. do you have a regular inlligence briefing. >> i don't know when i last spe to pant ar. when he called say he had been named and i offered my thusiastic support for his bemi the director was that probly the last time i spoke with m? or i h maybeone briefing from him eaier or two, i don't , but notrecentl but i do get my regar briefing but not necessarilyrom hi e direct oational intelligence dennis blair has be briefing me. >> are you in a ption to nme democrat members of the financial cris committee? if not, when? >> i will l let younow as on as we have them. >> mentioned the other day might be a need for a second stimulus. what's your -- >> i'm committed to the first stimulus. i don't ink it been given all e time towork. is third quarter is a big quarter fo the stimulus. i think that people will begin to see more of e results. evenr. zandy said ift falls short, there will still be 2.5 million jobs s or create we hope it will better than that the questn is always open as to what the ad

this is abouout ndndin this is about le panetta,, foererember of the houuse foer chief of aa, b budt dr director, aeery wileyey gguy wanting to fess up befefore 's's too late.. >> the structutureththe litical stctures in this are so unusual here. the white house is thrhreatengng to veto ththisewew lislation that they're spepeakintoto congressman n ltlt aut. are thth e esstially asking ngngre, you kkw, just ce agaiaitrtrusthe president and fill in the blank andnd iitit going to flylyhihis me? >> i donon'thihinkt's going to fly entirely. predatatg g pesi's fights with papatta. it hasas f s seval years now. th're saying you can't havave this las vegas magagicctct wre the e cibrbriers come in and y, l me sww you t the cards, we'll show y you f f a few seconds,s, andnlnlshow theop leaders of congresess a a the ranking and chairirss othe hous inintellenen and senate tetellence committees. ose people aren't the e on wnwn ithe nitty-gritty who really know w the ghghquestions to ask t t c ciariefers. so t the i is pretty strong case for expandininththe mber of ople who are briefed byy at let

congress, congresswoman jan schakowsky today said forhe first five monthsf his tenure as cia director, le panettaas himself kept in the darkbout a secret cia program thahad al been kept from congress, wch is illegal. when he found t about the program mr. panetta not on stopped it in its trac but sclosed it to congress immediately and he has now launched an instigation into w the cia is running programs withoutelling even its own leadership let alone t legiate branch it's supposed toversee the agency. joining us now icongresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois she chrs the house intelligence submmittee on oversight and investigatns represtative schakowsky thank you very much for ining us tonight. >> thankou, rachel. >> cia director leonanetta has launched ainrnal probe at the cia toetermine why coress wasn't told about this myeriousrogram that i understand we can'ow about terms of the details beuse it's classifie you've cald for an intellence committee investigation. >> right. >> what do youhink it will tao get to the bottom of this? >> well, my pe is that on the intelligce committee we'll take this

d there's a back and forth he about what le panetta said in a private brfing about which no one will tll us wha it's about. anthe six membersf this committee y they were told that, yes,why, we at the cia, we misled you and panetta says, no, i didn't saymisled, i said, we just smply didn't brief you sufficiently. and in exactly that nuance decide which side is be believed and i presume therere parallels, althoug we don't ve any ence oft yet, i would sume there are parallels to that in the rove casend what he going to testify and what people wi interpret him doing, whether isefarious or potentially innocent >> that's right. i think that's a rely good point. there's a certain amountf rt of political hardening arod pe's opinions of the matters and they're disped to feel one way or another. it's intereing, you know,ou raised panetta and rove fit into this as well, being disposed today. i' been doing research on the chch committee back in the 1970s. iteally becom evident that the was a real - some different seors of the elite, of the establishmt, of the ltway, politically, there w a push f

so le panetta, ofcourse, has told u before, a we can read the written statement but you know it, that doesn't lie. it's not the practice of theia to ie. and becae of that obviously nancy pelosi cug a lot of grief, a friend of your and a friendf mine fro congress. does nancy pelosi believ that e has been hungout to dry by leonpanetta? >> wel i d't think this is about nancy pelosi at all. this is -- go back tle netta's may 15th statent where heaid let me be clear. it it not our practice or our policy to mislead the congress. its against our lawsnd values. w this flies in the face of that in a very, very serious way. >> well, an, the cia saidt again yesterdater your lett ce out. >> exaly. i think into they simply do no want to acknowledge that the congress wasnot fully informed. and they ha an obligat joe, under the national security act of 1947 to fully andn a timely way to informhe congress. >>right. >> so this is a serious as it gets. i do give leon credit for coming up to the hill and informing us. he hadust been informed hielf but this is -- tis flin the face of th responsility, the

le fromom n y yk. eitherer t democrats s e e no going to get a asufficient apology frompanetta or the republicans arenngrabout panetta a no how much does s itatatteif there ararpepensns between congressss and cia? >> it's i incdible important right now.. you're talalki about a ririod when the congrgresisis about t o forward with creating g anaa authorizing legislalati dealing th the g git dainees a a involves very heavily the treatment that theeetaees receiveded athth hands of ci a and ilitary. ththesarar sechbs tif issues tht will will be hashed ouout f flo of the cononesess. what's more is i if erers a sesensof didirurust betweenthth twoo bododi you're going to h hv aen intense diffffulultyo try to arrarangthth i iminin not ly devevepiping system to dealal wh the gitmo dedetaeeee, u also haha t to al with the evidence gathered by the ciandnd now that th military and thth g govnment seeks toto iroduce in these cases. it'sncncrebly complex. the last thingng want iss a corontation between thoho t sides. >>>> evan, erere' some w w suggggt,t, se defendedersofofhe cia who suggest maybee they shldldn'riri congress a much

director panetta has reafrmed as recently as within theast two days that e cia does not lie and does not have policy of lying. >> wel let me clarify. he reaffirmed what the policy is. that's lesaying this is what e speed limit is son the interstate. is doesn't mean everybody obrves ievery minute. >>hen asked specifically about this issue- and here is the pot. s, there are questions that need to be asked and answered. my probls jumping to ncsions and making those conclusis public just when the bill is comingo the floor in an effort to preventther questions from being askedbo the spear. and that's what'troubling about this. >> let'so to the speaker. t's listen to what speaker pelosi said about the a back in may wshe was in her own back and forth about whoold who what when. let's listen. >> i'm tellingou thathey talked aboutnterrogations that they had done ansaid we want to use enhced techniques and we he legal opinions that say that they are ay. we are not using waterboding. that's the onlmention, that ey were not using it, anwe now know that earlier they were. so, yes, i am saying that th are misleading, th t cia was sleading the congress. >> mr. chairman, thepeakerow takes r