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shane, leo, it's nice to see you. you very much for being back. >> i appreciate the invite. >> what's your understanding of how this 24 hour reversal went down at the va? they announced all these cuts and then they they took it all back. what happened? >> yeah. i'm not sure that they have taken it all back. we've gotten an official word from va that they are reviewing these contracts and that that they will make sure that there's no impact, there's concerns about it. but i've talked to two sources within the va and some of these offices. they haven't gotten official word that these have been rescinded. they're still working under the assumption that these will eventually go away, that at least most of the contracts they've started looking at will will disappear at some point in the future here. so there's just a lot of uncertainty, i think. i think the va is now realizing just how deep some of these cuts are, and they're trying to claw back. maybe some of these will will be reversed, but but at least officially, these

joining us now is leo shane. he's deputy editor at the military times. much for joining us. i appreciate you being here. >> oh, anytime. >> let me ask your reaction to this news that's just broken, that they're cutting 1000 employees out of out of va. >> yeah. look, this is this is a small number in comparison to the entire va workforce. va has about 480,000 employees. so it's not necessarily something that that is widespread, but we still don't really have a handle on who these folks are. va's press release, as you said, says they're not mission critical folks. but i've already gotten calls from a few sources saying that at least one employee from the veterans crisis line was laid off. that it's someone who was not in a position where they're answering, answering calls of suicidal veterans, but they are providing support services. so we don't we just don't know exactly what these cuts are and who they are, how deep they'll get into veteran services. >> leo, one of the things that i wanted to talk to you about was the sort of distance between what the adm

. >> leo shane, deputy editor at the military times. leo, i read absolutely everything you publish. i think your work, as always, is just invaluable. and long may you wave. stay on this beat forever, my friend. the country really needs you. >> i appreciate it. there's a lot to write right now, so we will keep at it. >> thank you. leo. shane. all right. and thank you for joining us tonight. i told you it was going to be a big. it's been a big day. it's been a big show. it's i feel like it's all still going on, but i'll see you again tomorrow, 9 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. in the meantime, you can find me at blue sky. if you have blue sky, check me out there at msnbc.com. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. lawrence. >> i have. checked you out. >> on blue. >> sky because i'm there as lawrence o'donnell on blue sky. andrew weissman is on blue sky, and he's. >> going to be our. first guest tonight. >> it's a blue sky night here. >> at this hour. plenty to talk to andrew about tonight. my god, this is a little bit ny. >> and yeah, there's a bit. >> yeah

. >> leo shane, deputy editor at the military times. leo, i read absolutely everything you publish. i think your work, as always, is just invaluable. and long may you wave. stay on this beat forever, my friend. the country really needs you. >> i appreciate it. there's a lot to write right now, so we will keep at it. >> thank you. leo. shane. all right. and thank you for joining us tonight. i told you it was going to be a big. it's been a big day. it's been a big show. it's i feel like it's all still going on. but i'll see you again tomorrow, 9 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. in the meantime, you can find me at blue sky. if you have blue sky, check me out there at msnbc.com. way too early with ali. vitali is next. >> but i did come along. the republican party wouldn't even exist right now. mitch mcconnell never really had it. he had an ability to raise money because of his position as leader, which anybody could do. you could do it even. and that's saying a lot. but i was the one that got him to drop out of the leadership position. so he can't love me. but he's not voting against bobby.