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i guess what message -- this is what leon panetta's point is.ssage does it send to isis and the rest of the world if this country can't get its act together and pass this authorization? >> i think the biggest issue right now the fact that republicans are saying mr. president, are you really serious about taking on isis? this anything different than exactly what we're doing right now except now it sounds bigger because you're going to congress. i would hope that the president would say, hey, we need to all get in a room and show unity here. i don't think you're going to have a problem with republicans activating or being in support of an actual war on isis. i think most republicans believe we've not done enough. and the president has not taken them serious. so if he wants to actually take on isis it will be very hard to find republicans who don't say yes to it. >> mark lamond hill are democrats going to back up this president? they were complaining almost as soon as this authorization was made public are. they going to back him up on this? >> i t

secretary leon panetta, we really appreciate your time this morning. thanks for joining us.talking to you, sir. >> thanks very much, jim. >>> and can the war against isis be won without american combat boots on the ground? a retired navy s.e.a.l. now serving in congress and the former house intelligence committee chairman are here next. but first, we have a very special guest. come on out, flo! [house band playing] you have anything to say to flo? nah, i'll just let the results do the talking. [crowd booing] well, he can do that. we show our progressive direct rate and the rates of our competitors even if progressive isn't the lowest. it looks like progressive is not the lowest! ohhhh! when we return we'll find out whether doug is the father. wait, what? if you take multiple medications, a dry mouth can be a common side effect. that's why there's biotene. it comes in oral rinse spray or gel so there's moisturizing relief for everyone. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. at t-mobile, get a sweet tablet on us. right now, when you get a new data plan, you can also

leon panetta said that he was willing to do it, knowing all the risks involved, that panetta says led to economic growth. we talked a lot about economic policy, but another insight in the all history is party politics. the democrats, before brooklyn's policy, had not been known for fiscal discipline. it was known as a revolutionary shift in party roles and identities, and a number of oral histories -- roger altman says it may turn out that bill clinton may have transformed the democratic party. the leadership in that area is substantial. i do not know if that satisfactorily answers your question. >> gene sperling , what is your proudest moment? >> proudest is getting the earned income tax increase in the 1993 deficit reduction. i was his campaign conscience and it was hard to fight for that and see him go long and take that up and see the impact that made and how much it fit the values that bruce talked about. i would say, being there when he stood up. i was just really proud to be part of a white house -- i am blessed to have this person is my chief of staff his values, his managemen

i wasn't expecting this response from leon panetta. how he described the greatest national security threat to the united states. >> the president could get this done. but it's going to take a continuing commitment. you know look. you want to know what the biggest national security threat is to this country right now? it's the total dysfunction in washington. the fact that so little can be done by the congress. they can't even resolve the issue of homeland security. they can't deal with budgets. they can't deal with immigration reform. they can't deal with infrastructure. they can't deal with other issues. if they wind up not being able to deal with this war authorization, that sends a terrible message to the world. >> and you will see the entire interview tomorrow morning at 9:00 eastern when i host cnn's state-of-the-union. our guest the former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta. he talks about not only the war on isis but the situation in ukraine and much much more. so we'll see you back there tomorrow morning for state-

leon panetta told a story from his oral history that i thought was striking. some have substantive concerns about a bill. others might want to trade their vote for something, a road, a hospital in their district. members often vote on conviction. some vote on their religious faith. he told the story of this odd combination of these factors. it was a democratic house member from the trade that the administration thought would be a reliable vote for the president, but she was on the fence and requested a meeting with panetta. she came in and told panetta that she had spoken with jesus the metaphor, and he was very -- the night before, and he was very curious to find out what jesus had said. she said quote jesus said i ought to support the president on this. i ought to support the president if i can get a casino in detroit. there were many votes that were hard to get and some that were a little bit more unorthodox. [laughter] >> i was laughing before you got through the story. erskine, you didn't come into the white house until after the 1993 deal was done. then

leon panetta has complained about that and so has robert gates?he ceo can't name the opposition, in this case radical islam, that's where the breakdown comes. it's not a matter of corporate success or failure, it's whether the investors get a return on investment for us. success is a matter of life or death. that micromanagement that they're getting out of the white house from the ceo's chairman's office is devastating to the shareholders. i think it's time for a shareholder revolt. tell that board of directors we'll fire them if they don't make this thing right. tom: colonel it's a big budget a lot of money, very complex. the defense secretary has to be pretty smart at running. that this guy apparently knows his stuff on where the money needs to go. but the president is coming out with new budget and saying if you don't give me more money we're going to have a national security issue. in other words, we're going to be cutting the pentagon even more. is this guy being brought in because of the fact that he knows how to cut without cutting muscle?

. >> according to leon panetta's account it was leah -- leon panetta it was. that was the driver. >> she is a supremely cautious person. no question about that. the military really like her. she is there -- their girl. i have had the opportunity to observe this and she gets along extremely well with the brass. whether she is also a person who is constantly learning from her mistakes and in constant development. she is not going to replay, i do not think, the iraq war decision if god forbid, we have another such vote. >> remember you and a lot of people who supported her were doing it -- supported it were doing it based on false information. >> there were a lot of people who got the call right. the same thing applies to her choosing people which is one of the most important jobs of president has. it is an open question. i am not saying she would do a bad job but in the past, she sometimes has chosen people for their loyalty rather than for their talent. not always but sometimes. >> this has been a real problem with the obama administration is that there has not

. >> according to leon panetta's account it was leah -- leon panetta it was. that was the driver. >> she is a supremely cautious person. no question about that. the military really like her. she is there -- their girl. i have had the opportunity to observe this and she gets along extremely well with the brass. whether she is also a person who is constantly learning from her mistakes and in constant development. she is not going to replay, i do not think, the iraq war decision if god forbid, we have another such vote. >> remember you and a lot of people who supported her were doing it -- supported it were doing it based on false information. >> there were a lot of people who got the call right. the same thing applies to

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but the president's former defense secretary leon panetta says all the back and forth shows just howangerous dc gridlock can be. >> you want to know what the biggest national security threat is to this country right now? it is the total dysfunction in washington. the fact that so little can be done, by the congress. they can't even resolve the issue of homeland security. they can't deal with budgets. they can't deal with immigration reform. can't deal with infrastructure. >> well captain obvious, leon panetta, will not come as shock to anybody on this couch watching us on tv here is my question, we spent a good ten minutes talking about isis and threat potentially to this country. now the time to pick a fight over immigration funding senator, what do you think? >> boehner was right and panetta was right. house did their job. it is up to senate democrats and senate as a whole to get together. they don't like each other. they don't talk. there are a lot of hard feelings because of massive shift in the senate. mitch mcconnell is trying to get back to regular order get them back on track

leon panetta who was secretary of defense from 2011 until 2013. he replaced robert gates who was a holdover from the previous bush administration. >>> a train derailment ignites a fireball of crude oil. why this is raising so many concern here in the bay area. >>> a foggy start to the day. steve paulson is tracking the lingering fog and the forecast. >>> and giving back hon a global scale. the bay area school that's helping feed families half a world away and the unique reward they will receive for their commitment to change. >>> a state of emergency orders an effect in west virginia where a train derailment, not far from charleston, ignited a massive fire of crude oil and is polluting local waterways. the train tee railment happened -- derailment happened yesterday afternoon. kellry wright explains why 24 hours later residents are still evacuated. >> reporter: the governor of west virginia declaring a state of emergency after a train hauling more than 100 cars of crude oil derailed during a snowstorm. the incident happening monday afternoon near

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about people say he presents problems in the abstract like a law professor i think that's what leon panetta. more sometimes with logic rather than sometimes -- >> logic is underrated i think. i heard leon say that, i was really surprised because i was there, i saw this president make series of decisions about the economy, each of which were as unpopular as they were necessary. i write about that in my book. and was willing to do it because thought it was the right thing for the country. some folks in this town have hard time processing that he took on health care. i and others told him that this is going to be a political quagmire for him but he felt it had to be done. i know chuck schumer and others say it was bad political decision. but that -- wasn't bad decision for the ten, 13 million people who have insurance today and others who will benefit in the future that's what he was thinking about. >> schieffer: do you think in retrospect that he went about it in the wrong way in the sense of lyndon johnson wrote the civil rights bill in to two bills the '64 and '65 civil rights. he just didn

but i hope leon panetta is right. maybe we got something wrong ban we need to change course and change strategy in ukraine and the middle east. and i hope that's right. but i haven't seen that yet. bill: you were in northern prawk a few months ago. will you vote for that authority for the president? what does that look like? >> i introduced my own use of force authorization that takes away the 3-years time limit. we don't play the commander-in-chief as congress so i'll vote to give him authority but i won't vote for any restrictions because that will terry over to the next president who is hopefully a republican. martha: a deadly road range incident has now taken a major turn. why police say this mother of four actually went looking for the man who eventually killed her. bill: a train derailment and explosion that to have bench worse. >> six cars piled up shaking the trees. surround the home they run into with flames from the cars. the liquids from the cars. about 3 seconds later the guy ran out of his home. martha: i

you write a book bob gates are leon panetta or hillary clinton there is a cottage industry of formerhave publishers on speed dial because dirt sells. david axelrod is the latest in for his new book titled i know you don't give a crap i tried to make money. he said the president was peeved after getting off that concession called because mitt romney was getting racial when he congratulated the obama in the urban stronghold in cleveland and obama inferred he only one because of planned communities when really it was hurricane see ante that pushed him over the top. and ron and nicole did not like valery garett. i'm sure he had other pieces to. like the sun is hot. to wait to meet at kennedy nation with cash to a "topical storm". maybe tonight i will surprise you. talking about vaccines and politicians. stay with us. every truck can tow a boat. every truck can climb a hill. every truck can haul a trailer. but not everyone can say they're the fastest-growing truck brand... in america. guts. glory. ram. kennedy: i am kennedy. the nation is still talking about vaccines as rand paul and chri

bill: leon panetta blasting the white house. greatest threat to our national security is the inability of washington to get anything done. >> the greatest threat to this country's national security is the total dysfunction. the fact so little can be done with it congress. they can't deal with homeland security budgets infrastructure, immigration. if they can't deal with this war authorization that sends a terrible message to the world. bill: dr. ben carson wrote the book, "you have a brain. he's the professor emeritus of pediatric surgery at johns hopkins. what do you think of what secretary panetta laid out? >> i think he has a lot of validity in what he is saying. we have all become democrats or republicans instead of americans. everything is aimed at enhancing one political position. unless we are able to get beyond the politicalization. -- a house divided against itself cannot stand. the president is the purpose who is -- is the person who is supposed to bed the leader. the definition of a good leader is someone who can take

the director what it is that they're getting to see, they prepare this summary for the director leon panetta and buy a mistake apparently the summary winds up being loaded onto the senate computers and then they say, this is amazing because basically here are the notes and summaries done and they are trying exactly the same conclusions that we are talking about the documents which is not surprising because we were just describing these documents. that is bottom line no actionable intelligence was ever collected from the use of these aggressive techniques and so that is an accurate summary of the internal codes. then we get a real catfight between cia and the senate staff over this report. with members saying that they must have stolen it there's no other way they could possibly have gotten this document and that's quite obvious how they got theirs. but the golden rule of the cia is that they never made mistakes or errors and that is excluded immediately from consideration. they break into the senate computers to try to retrieve it at this point but the staff says that they are trying to caus

committee, congressman trey gowdy, revealing a who's who list that includes susan rice david petraeus, leon panetta, jay carney, general mike martin and general martin dempsey. my next guest says you don't get on benghazi if you don't invade libya. there is evidence that secretary clinton was pushing hard for that invasion. joining us now, former congressman fox news contributor, dennis kucinich. good to see you. >> thanks, lou. >> the news that trey gowdy called this list of insiders that's got to be encouraging to everyone who wants to know what actually happened. your thoughts. >> you know it would be an opportunity for the american people to gain insight into the decision-making process and the people who were right in the middle of that discussion whether or not to go war against libya. so i think it's very important that chairman gowdy proceeds with this. lou: and proceeding as he does with some of the people in the administration former officials as well. do you think that they will, for the most part be forthcoming or reticent? >> i think that everyone will want to tell their story as best

. >> leon panetta disagrees with that assessment, listen up. >> i think the president has the right pieces in place to confront isis, and obviously made important gains in trying to stop their effort to gain additional territory in iraq. >> reporter: boehner said he will let all relevant committees on the house debate the authorization of force and we'll not see congress sign this thing for a couple of weeks or months. it is now a sign of urgency. jenna, back to you. >> doug, thank you. new information today out of the american sniper murder trial. defendant eddy ray routh charged with the shooting death of chris kyle and his friend chad littlefield. major developments are expected today on a ruling whether the defendant's confession will be played on video in court. casy has more outside of stephenville texas. >> reporter: we are still waiting for that. the court went in recess. the videotape shoes eddy ray routh confessing to the murders when he was questioned by the authorities specifically the texas rangers. the tape has been shown in a pretrial hearing, but there is a question of whet

. >> according to leon panetta's account it was leon panetta it -- who was the driver of that decision>> she is a supremely cautious person. no question about that. the military really like her. they have -- she is their girl. i have had the opportunity to observe this and she gets along extremely well with the brass. now, whether she is also a person who is constantly learning from her mistakes and in constant development. so, she is not going to replay i do not think, the iraq war decision if, god forbid, we have another such vote. >> remember you and a lot of people who supported it were doing it based on false information. strong, pulse information. >> i wish there was a more comforting excuse. because there were a lot of people who got the call right. the same thing applies to her choosing people which is one of the most important jobs of president has. again, it is an open question. i am not saying she would do a bad job but in the past, she sometimes has chosen people for their loyalty rather than for their talent. not always but sometimes. >> this has been a real problem with t

. >> according to leon panetta's account it was leah -- leon panetta it was, that was the driver. >> she is a supremely cautious person. no question about that. the military really like her. she is there -- their girl. i have had the opportunity to observe this and she gets along extremely well with the brass. whether she is also a person who is constantly learning from her mistakes and in constant development. she is not going to replay, i do not think, the iraq war decision if, god forbid, we have another such vote. >> remember you and a lot of people who supported her were doing it -- supported it were doing it based on false information. >> there were a lot of people who got the call right. the same thing applies to her choosing people which is one of the most important jobs of president has. it is an open question. i am not saying she would do a bad job but in the past, she sometimes has chosen people for their loyalty rather than for their talent. not always but sometimes. >> this has been a real problem with the obama administration is that there has not been a real reaching o

leon panetta - who also served as secretary of defense -- talked about the terror group earlier today. >> isis represents all whole new phase on the war on terrorism. we are dealing with an enemy that is well funded and a strong command and control. we have an enemy that is well armed >> vicki: panetta said he's confident the president can get the authorization needed to fight the terror group. but he slammed congress, saying that the greatest security threat the u-s faces is - quote - "total dysfunction in washington." a day celebrating love and romance.was nearly marred this year by violence and hate. now, more details are emerging about an alleged plot to kill dozens of people in halifax on saturday; including the identities of the suspects.and where the attack was supposed to take place. angela macivor reports. >> reporter: it's one the busiest places in the city: the halifax shopping centre. police say it was the intended target of a mass shooting on this valentines day. >> "i did second guess coming here but i don't know. i decided to come anyway. but it's scary. you hear about

. >> former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta says the white house made mistakes in thes fight. >> presidents make mistakes but they also learn from the mistakes. i think the president has learned from those mistakes. it will take time. i am more hopeful about the effort in iraq. i think ultimately we will have a pretty good chance of being able to push isis back out of iraq. the big question mark in my mind is syria. >> he says isis is the biggest threat in security is on capitol hill. >> you want to know what the biggest national security threat is to this country right now? it's the total dysfunction in washington. they can't resolve the issue of homeland security, they can't deal with budgets and immigration reform, infrastructure and other issues. if they wind up not being able to deal with the war authorization that sends a terrible message to the world. >> the northeast in a deep freeze millions facing windchills well below zero. >> boston still digging out after being buried under another foot of snow there. our friends in the south bracing for a dangerous mix of

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i actually prefer the honesty that we've seen from people like leon panetta others that haven't been come out and tell the truth. axelrod knows better. he's a bright guy. i'm surprised that he can actually say with a straight face that there have been no major scandals. i mean this is an administration that has been replete with scandals, and that is going to be a problem for hillary clinton because if obama's wearing the pants, she's the belt. >> nice. >> yeah. i like that? >> very nice. >> i liked the applause at the end. wasn't that great applause? >> he's selling a book. that's what he's doing. he sat down with o'reilly, made a couple of comments about obama's pushing back on evolving on gay marriage and those types of things. he's u.s. being outrageous to sell a book. this is what they seem to like to do. look, the left really doesn't think these are scandals, though. i was reading a piece this morning from msnbc, and they're literally quoting some of the things that we said at this table and saying -- >> again? >> yeah. we're ginning up and manufacturing the story when there is

if you look at the secretaries of defense, bob gates, leon panetta and now chuck hagel, all of them haveresident for his weak and ineffective foreign policy. my concern is not that we need to authorize military force. my concern is that the president doesn't have the fortitude to actually do what needs to be done. >> and you know what is interesting, you know, when you think about benghazi and the four americans, you know, the issue cross authority order, stand down and all of that still spinning around in a lot of people. but you were in washington the day that king abdullah heard or saw the video of this jordanian pilot being burned alive. what was his reaction? >> well, there were two takeaways i had that from meeting and it was a very good and informative meeting. number one is that king abdullah intended to respond decisively, that it was going to be very aggressive and very harsh. and what he asked from us is that we give him the leeway, the flexibility, to do what needs to be done to protect his own country. number two, he talked a lot about sustainability. he has the infrastructu

of interviews with high ranking current and former officials such as former defense secretary leon panetta and said he will call former secretary of state hillary clinton. >>> the army is doing an about face on the refusal to give purple hearts to the victims of the fort hood massacre back in 2009. chief intelligence correspondent tells us why and what it means. >> reporter: more than five years after the fort hood massacre where 13 were shot dead and more than 30 injured the army says the attack was terrorism and not work place violence as the defense department first claimed. >> i am calling on behalf of the gentlemen of the army. >> reporter: the army started calling survivors and families to begin the enrollment process. among purple heart recipients who first spoke about the attack where he was shot by then major hasan. >> i saw the blood all over and the blood on my chest. >> reporter: manning said he is grateful the army is no longer in denial. >> it is an act of terrorism that represents the sacrifice that these guys made was something that was no different than in iraq or afghanis

leon panetta former cia chief and secretary of defense once again defined the problem isis truly representshole new phase in the war on terrorism. and have to be net tooth and nell with everything we have got. that's the reality. isis a whole new chapter. in terms of the terrorist threat to that look at terrorist threats around the world the ones you have to worry about a n. al qaeda kup. basically do what they have to do to attack this country country. they are a real danger everybody in washington defensive way. preferring to play word games. because of that jihadistst all over the world beheadings in libya. in denmark, a lone islamic militant killing two people. five others pretty much on a regular basis now. muslim fanatics are are running wild. not just president obama failing to condition front evil, just about every nation in the world. this fable about a 60 country coalition united against isis is insulting. what are these nations doing? nothing. it's easy to sign a piece of paper and not show up. egyptian planes are now bombing some isis positions in libya in retailation for the sl

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. >> that was former defense secretary leon panetta this morning saying his intentions are clear when it comes to ukraine. a ceasefire is now in effect between ukranian forces and russian-backed separatists. but mistrust is still lingering on both sides of this bloody con quest. greg palkon is live inside ukraine. greg? >> reporter: leland, we just spoke with an official of the oxee. that's the organization monitoring the ceasefire, and he told me the ceasefire is being overall respected, but there are some exceptions. the main cities in the troubled east including ydonetsk generally quiet. and a ukranian official is telling us that pro-russia rebels are still fighting near the key city of opal on the coast. they are trying to get closer to russia-fought crimea. there are something like 8,000 ukranian soldiers stuck inside a town and surrounded by russian-armed rebels, a rebel chief telling us flatly, that territory is ours. meanwhile, so-called humanitarian aid convoys have entered ukraine today from russia. it is claimed they are bringing food and medical supplies to the people ther

here is what leon panetta says. >> he lost his conviction that we had to constantly go after after terrorismt we had to constantly be involved in a very troubled world because i think wanted to hopefully be able to focus on this country and what needed to be done here. >> mr. panetta's statement is backed up by the president's own words yesterday. my first job is to protect the american people but we have to attend to a lot of other issues and make sure we are right sizing our approach so that what we do isn't counter productive. i would argue that our invasion of iraq was counter productive to the goal of keeping our country safe. >> with all due respect to the president, this country is capable of attending to many issues at the same time. and the war in iraq should not impede effective strategy against muslim killers today. to allow the jihad to continue its reign of terror without a solid plan strikes me as irresponsible and dangerous. louisiana night i folk with david axelrod. he like secretary kerry believes that air power and paper coalition will eventually degrade the isis fanatics.

. >> leon panetta wasn't a gi. he was pretty good. bob gates? >> bob gates was. >> might have served time in the army. i will say this about president obama's policy with the military. >> i think panetta was a veteran. >> wasn't known as -- >> combat fighter. >> right. i will say this president obama is very uncomfortable with the military. and that's why you see this going on. he doesn't believe the military should play a central role in any part of our, of the american, of this country right now. >> what do you do, cycle through defense secretaries to find one guy that agrees with you? that's crazy. >> let's be clear he reflects not that support this i'm giving you facts, he reflects views of a lot of americans. melissa: totally disagree. >> this is most americans. melissa: i don't think most americans feel that way. >> many come on. melissa: all happening against a backdrop of oil taking investors for a wild ride, plummeting back below $49 a barrel an wiping out gains from a four-day rally. two reports of oversupply pushing oil off a cliff an

account, it was leon panetta who was the driver of that decision. >> his position was clear he was for it. but hillary was very much on the fence. >> she's a supremely cautious person. there's no question about that. the military really like her. they have -- she's their girl. they -- i've had the opportunity to observe this. >> yeah. it's true. >> she gets along extremely well with the brass. now whether she's also, as sean pointed out, a person who is constantly learning from her mistakes and in constant development. so she's not going to replay, i don't think the iraq war decision if, god forbid, we have floer another such vote. >> and remember, you and a lot of people who supported it, including hillary clinton, were doing it based on false -- be strong false information. >> yeah. i wish i thought that was a more comforting excuse. because there were a lot of people who got the call right. the same thing applies to her choosing people, which is one of the most important jobs that a president has. again, it's an open yes. i'm not saying she would do a bad job of choosing people but

here is what leon panetta says. >> he lost his conviction that we had to constantly go after after terrorismt we had to constantly be involved in a very troubled world because i think wanted to hopefully be able to focus on this country and what needed to be done here. >> mr. panetta's statement is backed up by the president's own words yesterday. my first job is to protect the american people but we have to attend to a lot of other issues and make sure we are right sizing our approach so that what we do isn't counter productive. i would argue that our invasion of iraq was counter productive to the goal of keeping our country safe. >> with all due respect to the president, this country is capable of attending to many issues at the same time. and the war in iraq should not impede effective strategy against muslim killers today. to allow the jihad to continue its reign of terror without a solid plan strikes me as irresponsible and dangerous. louisiana night i folk with david axelrod. he like secretary kerry believes that air power and paper coalition will eventually degrade the isis fanatics.

we've had bob gates, leon panetta.about being cut off from policy making because policy making is centralized in this white house and it's done largely by the president. if you're not going to be listened to as secretary of defense, it doesn't really matter what your input is. he could have a different -- he could have a different prescription for success in the region or for escalating this aspect of the war or for approaching a certain problem a different way, but if the white house is going to deny him any say in this, it really doesn't matter what he says. >> last thing a.b., why isn't there an authorized use of military force already? why isn't congress just saying if you're not going to give us one, we're going to do it. >> this is a good question. i've spoken to democratic senators and republican senators this week about this issue about isis and about this. there is division on the republican side and division on the democratic side. even democrats are acknowledging that there is no leadership on this issue fro

. >> in the battle against isis former defense secretary leon panetta is delivering candid and critical views over the president's strategy. >> well, there is no question in my mind that mistakes were made here. presidents make mistakes. they also learn from those mistakes. the president has learned. it's going to take time. i'm hopeful about the effort this in iraq. ultimately, we'll have i think, a good chance at being able to push isis back out of iraq. >> how can we do that? win against the islamic state that's growing with each passing day. major general scaos retired from the army and a fox analyst joins us now. they burn the pilot alive. they behead western hostages. now a new mass murder of christians killed because of their faith. panetta talked about mistakes. is it too late for them to be corrected? >> it's not too late. every time we fail to en gauge against isis and isis continues to grow then the amount of effort and time the united states has to put into this effort continues to grow over time. they are adding about a thousand young men to their rolls every week. the afgh

i mean we've done a lot of reporting on this episode and i know the cia director at the time leon panetta, was given a momentum from the building. i've seen it myself. the commander of joint special operations command that proceeded who led the raid stanley mcchrystal given a flag taken on the mission. these are people instrumental in making this happen not people who were just completely not even involved in any way. none of this adds up. >> all right. peter bergen appreciate you being with us. thank you so much. >> thank you, john. >>> all right, let's dig deeper now. we're joined now by a retired member of seal team six, who spent a dozen years in the navy. author of the last rescue how faith and love saved a navy seal sniper. also joined syracuse university robert thompson center for television and popular culture. howard i want to start right with you. you heard what peter bergen just said. giving brian the benefit of the doubt, maybe not embedded with seal team six, any way he was on a helicopter with seal team six on invasion plus three as he said into the airport in baghdad? >> i

we have seen people like former cia director leon panetta former ci director general perjurious leaking- the tray is leaking information with impunity. that has convinced me that i am right when i say my case was never about leaking. my case was about blowing the whistle on torture. >> i want to turn to former democratic representative jim moran took to the floor of the house of representatives and called for president obama to pardon you. moran called kiriakou an "american hero" and "whistleblower." he said -- "kiriakou deserves a presidential pardon so his record can be cleared, just as this country is trying to heal from a dark chapter in its history." what is your response to that? you did not get that pardon, at least, as of yet. >> no. i am deeply, deeply grateful for the work congressman randy at. my only regret is that he is retired now. he is a very upstanding, very progressive and very decent man. i really appreciated his help. i have not formally asked for a pardon, and i probably won't this year. but there seems to be some support growing for it. i am always on the lookout c

two things, one about your firm, but secondly, i mean my last question about the oil picture, leon panettaespected intelligence, high positions in the government and security field have said time after time the thing that worried me more than any other national threat to american security is dysfunction in washington. >> now is that alarming to you? >> uno what? i am almost numbed by how dysfunctional washington is. >> yes. so not alarming to me because i am numbered. >> i got you. >> i think this country would be so much better if we had a productive water. uh i think our economies would be growing more today if we had a productive washington. >> if we had more educating 800,000 students here and most we kick out so they can't compete with us and get educated here and they have a good history of being a good citizen why don't we let them stay here we don't have an infrastructure policy and the worst infrastructure policy in the world. i am focusing on infrastructure the investing in india and focusing on infrastructure investing in mexico. and other countries worldwide. i just can't focus