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who beside lois lerner? who? >> you know, i live in new mexico.low all the news. >> you live in new mexico and we don't know who beside lois lerner and she was just retired. she is going to get a pension and everything else. now, in benghazi, there was a meeting, the day before, september 10th, all right? 2012, a meeting about security. and benghazi and libya came up. what was discussed in that meeting? who was in there? do you know? >> well, i do know. bill. that there was an christian by this -- admission by this pickerring report. >> now that we know about the meeting. the president was in the meeting. the top national security guy was in there brennan and that's all we know. we have asked the president to just tell us about that meeting and what was discussed and you don't know what was in that meeting and i don't know, right? >> well, no. >> all right. okay. >> there are bills national security standards. >> we don't know who in the irs beside lois lerner did this and we don't know what was at that meeting it was an important meeting because

is it possible to get lerner back in about. >> this goes back to lois lerner. she is now on white house e-mails too, i think that is why she took the fifth. it made more sense than just not miscommunicating. charles: i guess, how do you win this thing? you got -- this seems to be the third smoking gun. >> lois lerner gets immunity or prosecuted. our case moves forward, but congress has to make that call soon. the criminal investigation is ongoing but fbi is waiting to see if congress will give her immunity, i think they will if she points up. but if she does not they want her to face the criminal punishment. civil cases take a long time. charles: i know they do, this is something this every american some be concerned -- should be conderned. thank you very much jordan. >> thank you, charles. charles: president obama and house g.o.p. leaders are meeting at white house, they met today, what went on? you know the markets want to know. you will find out what, next. ho. you're notinda. i'm filling in for ficeowens. she used double miles from her capital one venture c

this woman, lois lerner's boss conveniently forgets the facts implicate her in a crime. goes to the white house 155 times. what does that tell you? >> well, we know what happened. she went to the white house because there was concurrent litigation going on. there was these lawsuits that were filed against a portion of obama care which called the hhs or health and human service mandate there has been a number of those lawsuits. a lot of them headed to the supreme court right now. i had 8 of them. she goes over to the wows 155 times. meaning often with the white house director with ho is in charge of obama care, giving her advice on the litigation and then shares again 6103, what's called 6103, as you mentioned before, the segment, taxpayer information to white house officials. now, this comes on the heels that the irs lerner ingramked for sara sharing information in the election commission which is also a violation. which also calls on the heels of disclosure information from a nonprofit tax exempt organization and that information was given to their opponents on an issue

lerner retired from the irs last month. but congressional investigations are ongoing. >> on wall street today stocks moved low edow down 73, nazdaq down 7, and nazdaq down 11. >> stocks posted strong gains for october, dow up 3% in october, s&p you of 4 1/2%, and nazdaq a gain of nearly 4%. on economic front, jobless claims fell by 10,000 last week. we're coming right back with much more. stay with us. >> out of touch perhaps but real out of the loop too? the president's accolade shield him from scandal from benghazi to the obamacare, the obama defense remains the same, he just doesn't know. congressman brad win drop with us next. as a business owner, i'm constantly putting out fires. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards. with the spark cascard from capital one, i get 2% cash back on ery purchase, every day. i break my back around here. finally soone's recognizing me with unlimited rewards! meetings start at 11, cindy. [ male announcer get the ark business card from capital one. choose 2% cash back

why one group going to court says we need to look beyond irs official lois lerner. "prometheus' president obama's fingerprints are all over this. a man trying to save a woman is beaten himself. walmart may be changing or choosing. >>> welcome back, everyone. shooting inside a nightclub inside of vegas leaves one person dead, three others hurt. the alleged gunman was among the four people hospitalized. >>> hurricane raymond still threatening people. the category 3 hurricane hovering off mexico's pacific coast right now. authorities say they may evacuate some low lying areas. >>> an update we reported on friday. walmart offering to rehire a man they fired after he tried to help a woman being attacked. walmart said he violated store policy. no work yet if that worker has decided to actually return. >>> well, the scandal over the irs targeting of conservative groups getting uglier. former irs official lois lerner, she may have retired, but the tea party expanding their lawsuits now to 22 states. lawyers representing them now say they want the president put under the mic

>> yes. >> so after 2010, miss lerner did not report to you anymore. is that right? >> only on paper, not in function. >> so she was no longer in your chain of command. >> that's right. >> the inspector general reflected miss lerner learned about this in june of 2011. six months after you moved to your full-time aca position. is that correct? >> i understand that is the timing, yes, sir. >> since you no longer report -- since she no longer reported to you, did lois lerner tell you've about the use of inappropriate criteria 2011? >> i don't recall hearing anything about it until i sat in on a meeting requested by my boss and n she spring of '12. >> in fact, mr. grant, who was her direct supervisor, told us miss lerner did not tell him anything in 2011, either. i just want everyone to be clear on the fact because i think there's some people clearly confused about this timeline. i want to go back to some things mr. jordan was asking about. i take it that you are very concerned about 6103 information. right? you -- how do you view that? how have you operated -- how long

lois lerner is now retired and she said say were targeting employees.t's worse is you have all these people from the i.r.s. meeting with the president right before the inspector general's report comes out. which report the president only heard about on the news. >> this is a continuing -- the focus needs to be on how we get our government working again, how we get more people under the affordable health care act, and that's the conversation that we should be having. >> don't even go there. have you done it? >> i've been on the website. >> okay. >> how old are you? >> i'm 26. >> do you have health care? >> i do have health care. >> through your employer or by yourself? >> i have it through my employer, but i have a lot of friends who have it and many systems have a glitch. many systems have a glitch and you fix it. that's what we see from this president. and i think dr. carson will agree we can continue to give more money -- >> the republicans are funding it and the democrats voted against it. hold on. just this week, just this week every democrat in the

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this was lois lerner's direct boss when the targeted starting of the conservative groups. three years she is heading up the office for implementation of the affordable care act of obamacare. think about this in a broad perspective. here is what is going on in america. americans have to go to a website that doesn't work to purchase policies they can't afford. if the website does work, they have to give personal information to the same people, the i.r.s. who have given that confidential personal information out to people they are not supposed to under law give it out to. if that doesn't scare americans i don't know what is. the same i.r.s. is responsible for scandal and has given personal information to the white house political people, now we go to the website, if it ever works they have to give that information to the government again. that is scary. >> she is quick to say the glitches and problems plaguing the website are not the fault of her department. >> that may be, that may be the case. but they are still -- we have by their own definition the fact that the e-mails w

here is a lady who was low lows lows -- lois lerner's direct boss and today is the first time she has been in this committee after the scandal has been known about for five months? here is a lady who for the last five years have been head of the office for implementing the affordable care act in today's the first time she has come before the committee? this is unbelievable. two of the biggest issues facing the country in the first time she comes in front of the government oversight committee. mr. cummings brings up the letter that we got yesterday from mr. werfel. they tried again yesterday to not have her be here for it raises one simple question. why? what did she know that the irs doesn't want this committee and this congress and the american people to no? what does she know about the affordable care act? what are they trying to hide? mr. chairman thanks for your persistence. i'm glad it finally happened. it's astonishing that it took five months but i'm glad it finally happened. one more thing if i could mr. chairman and i will yield back. could we put up a slight? mr. cummings ra

alan jay lerner, who wrote the book and the lyrics, refused to give up.rst, they fired the guy who was singing it and they put his understudy in. by the way, the guy got back into his role later on when they what was wrong was, this was after the ascot scene. all the men are in grey. all the women are in black-and-white, but each is in a different gown. the men are all in this regulation grey suit. so this guy turns up all by himself and he starts singing his love song, and the audience is thinking, "who on earth is that?" because he looks like everybody else in the ascot scene. and the lyrics did not tie him to his dialogue scene with eliza, when he became so enamored of her. so they're thinking, this guy is sing

i an not but i am the higher lerner and his mind set but what i see it will be a shock is when medicaid balloons the cost because we know that will happen in 2015 is and that when the government backs out and does not pay one suppressant ? lou: then the states begin to up the ante of the portion they are paying a of medicaid. by your reaction of what is happening? we are a number 24 of obamacare the promises are not kept. >> by my count is five months six days until the deadline comes. it is frustrating and hard to get on i am not yet at the panic point. >> know they said they would panic, least of all me. >> you are not concerned? >> i am but the fact that they have smart people doing it if they don't get it done in a month than there is something wrong. but people use this as an excuse to undermine but they don't like in the first place. lou: let me ask you. projecting forward to march 31st the rabil time span is 3.five years previous to the launch of obamacare through the 24th day of october that is how long it took to wrap this up as the abysmal failure what makes us think we will s

look at lois lerner and people in the administration.ink they're entitled to applause, green ribbons. >> i played football at a high level. i'm entitled to come here. greg, you probably participated in youth football. >> i was a volunteer coach until they asked me to leave after an incident. this is an attack on the trophy industry. it's going to drive up prices for trophietrophies. when you were a kid you got a wards for best spirit and most improved. those are basically participation trophies. i was the only one getting them. this is an attack on little people like me. what do they give away -- trophy companies must have a wards night. do they get a trophy for best trophy? >> there's a trophy association. >> they must have a wards for best trophy. >> that's probably so. >> you've got a bunch of trophies right? >> they're locked away. >> that's a lot of hard work. back then it was hard work. >> am i supposed to get out of here? okay good. >> you know what happens, people that get a lot of trophies end up running a trophy shop. true. >>

. >> then lois lerner in a series of e-mails released saying everyone is clammering for us to do somethingo clampdown. our question is who is the everybody? we know now, coming from highest echelon, i will be surprised if you see a memo, but messaging so clear and the president and his senior administration officials was so clear. we know it went to steven miller, these are highest levels, they were running the irs, not just division chiefs but people running it were listening to what president said, and calls from senator schumer and hor hor others to investigate the group, they did. they champed down, which is also against the law. and then they say, this is horrible, the fact they did it, it must be stopped, eric holder said we'll have a criminal investigation, by the way, none of my clients have been contacted by fbi, then carney saying, phony scandals, the evidence points to where this comes from. this is one huge lawsuit, it got bigger. lou: biggest filed against internal revenue service. jay thank you. >> thank you. >> we would like you to go to our social sites check out loudobbs.c

but lois lerner, she targeting you? >> absolutely. number of applications received and processed on the procedures by the irs, and also things like communications by members of congress to the irs. things that are documented now with senator baucus and senator dick durbin. sending letters to the irs asking them to look at and target different organizations. very curious about the political process used by the senators to force the since looking at organizations. but really a lot of the stuff around lois and her communications and communications between the irs and the executive branch, who are they talking to over the white house? charles: representative darrell issa's typically put in nazi bonus kind of stuff. as he dropped the ball? have they become so busy with other things that you had to step in our? >> they have a different process and a different agenda and a different set of tools available to them. as i mentioned, we make use of the open records law and we mitigate. it's a very powerful tool and we have used it successfully f

. >> and this is a lady that was lois lerner's direct boss and after this is known about it five monthse years head of the office for implementing the office and today is the first time she comes in front of the committee. this is unbelievable. >> that is jim jordan, a republican. the hearing for sarah hall ingram. the law make ares looking in the role of the irs. it is in charge of the insurance. ingram faced criticism of the treatment of the tea party in the past. >> kirsten powers is a fox news contractor. how are you doing? >> and now you wonder, i think folks, can you trust the irs to implement this and carry it out. dave, what do you think about it? >> you can't trust the political stripe or lead areship. the so- called cincinnati office issue goes to washington d.c. we have to separate the people who work in the irs. we can't blame them for the orders that come down from the bosses and the political stripe. and that's the problem we have right now, bill. and then we go to the issues of data verification and not ready for market. this is an agency that is supposed to coordinate al

why was lois lerner allowed to resign after being on paid leave when she was behind the irs efforts to target conservatives. then eric holder who lied under oath about operation fast and furious. border patrol agent brian terry was murdered but holder still has a job. why wasn't hillary clinton ousted for the benghazi terror attack that left these americans dead? these are people who should be held accountable for failing the american people, not some low level bureaucrat who posted stupid messages on twitter. senator like lee is with us. good to see you. what's your reaction? of course he complained about valerie jarrett. he's gone. what's your reaction? >> this is symbolic of big government. it's off the little guy who's hurt. jofi joseph gets fired here. people much high er on the food chain in washington are protected. protected from really bad things like fast and furious, benghazi and scandals at the irs and nsa. this is what big government does. it's symbolic of what it does to the american people generally. those are who are wealthy remain relatively prosperous under big govern

are making fun of somebody who works for him, the same way they will make fun of joe biden, lois lernerut, no, they can't say anything about the king. he's the one who -- it's his idea. it's obama care. conservatives were screaming bloody murder. the government can't run the food service on amtrak without losing 8 million dollars a year. it's a monopoly. they lose money. they are taking over health care affecting every man, woman and child in america? usually with these government disasters it's only one small segment of americans who will be screwed over and not get good services. this is everyone. it's happening the way republicans said it would. they have the audacity to say you're complaining about something that didn't work that you didn't the think would anyway. it's working exactly as we said it would. >> if you like your plan, you can keep it. >> you had a great show thursday night. >> wasn't it good? that's a crock. they profiled two people. one paying $1800 more a year. another person $10,000 more a year. you look at the promises. the website will be easy. we'll put it on scre

. >> was lois lerner placed on paid leave.ere as eric holder who lied under oath about fast and furious. holder, he still has a job. and speaking of officials that were caught lying. why wasn't hillary clinton ousted for the benghazi terror attack that left these four americans dead? these are people who should be held accountable for failing the american people. not some low level bureaucrat who posted a bunch of stupid messages on twitter. he complained about valerie jarrett, he said something bad about her and he's gone. what's your reaction? >> this is something that's symbolic with big government. it's the little guy who gets fired. jofi joseph was fired. but people are protected interest really bad things, things like benghazi and fast and furious. this is symbolic of what big government does. those who are wealthy remain wealthy and relatively prosperous. lots of times they again even mo, they get more wealthy and more powerful. >> he put up a stupid tweet. was huma wearing beer goggles the night she met anthony wiener.

we also learned that lois lerner herself had up to 1600 pages of emails including 30 pages of confidentialaxpayers information in her private email account. i would like to know what she intended to do with that or what she did with that. >> of course, what i would like more is to have a chance to conduct -- see what happens at these depositions. what's your thought about still about this ongoing -- justice moves slowly. >> it does move slowly in a way. we want to are thorough. we don't want to rush it and blow the outcome basically. that doesn't just come from me. that comes from speaking with staffers and congressman on the house ways and means committee. really what we are doing here is we are smoking out the rats from a corrupt ship estate if you will. we need to find out who knew what, when they knew it how high it goes and what we're finding is there are more and more names like kevin was saying beginning to add added to this list. can i rattle off three right now former commissioner showman is new on the list. we have also got sarah ingram who i think is very significant in this cas

that's how much scandalized irs official lois lerner's taxpayer funded pension could be per year. to the national taxpayers union. she announced her retirement last month and she had been on paid leave since may. next, 2.9 million. that's the number of customer records that adough bee lost after hackers gained access to their account. and $5 million, that's how much the insurance policy was on the titanic. the original documents were released yesterday and it turns out they were signed just 15 days before it went to the bottom of the ocean. people. >> steve: thank you, brian. >> elisabeth: our next guest is always skeptical of all things heaven in the after life until her 20-year-old son passed away. not only does she believe, she claims she communicated with him after death. >> steve: she chronicles her experience in the book "my son and the after life" and jailly butler, the medium who she says channels her son. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> elisabeth: this weekend on sunday it will be four days since -- four years. >> yeah. >> elisabeth: he had struggled with

>> the lois lerner i plead the fifth and get paid to take the summer off?g conservatives and then she started taking the fifth. yesterday we had the cms administrator who apologized. i wonder if that's just to set the table for sebelius. keep those questions coming. they're good. >>> coming up, russian operatives putting on a front to spy on the united states. what was really inside the goody bags they handed out at the g-20 summit? >> wait 'til you hear. and he promised you to keep your doctor. but the president's word proving to be no good. is his broken promise the point of in return? we'll take a look back in history as we roll on live from new york city. ♪ but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is. still running in the morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of v

of course that was before lois lerner and her crew weapon sized the i.r.s. so they could o after conservative groups. so anyway, it's bad news when it comes to obamacare, mr. offered like i say, we repeatedly to agree, in fact we didn't just offer, we passed a bill that would allow obamacare , be suspended for a year where if possible it could get its act together, gave an out to the president, the president and harry reid could have said, those republicans in the house, we didn't want to do it, we needed a continuing resolution to keep the government going, needed the debt ceiling raised, we went ahead they had us over a barrel, we agree to suspend obamacare for a year and gee, those pesky republicans made us do it. that's a political way out that they had that we gave as republicans in the house, we extended as a gift, we passed it into -- as a house bill, extended it as a gift, gave them an out, that would have given them an extra year to get their act together but oh, no, they were more interested in scoring political points because they knew the mainstr

here is lady who was the direct boss of los lerner and today is the first time she's been in front of this committee. the scandal has been known about for five months. a lady for the last three years has been head of the office for implementing the affordable care act and today is the first time she comes in front of a committee. this is unbelievable to of the greatest issues facing the country, and the first time she comes in front of the government oversight committee. and mr. cummings breeze of the letter we got yesterday. they tried again yesterday to not ever be year. it raises one simple question. why. what did she know if the irs does not want this committee, this congress, and the american people to know? what does she know? what i they tried to hide? so i am, mr. chairman, thank you for your persistence. i'm glad it's finally happened. it is astonishing that it took five months, but i'm glad it's finally happened. >> one more thing, and then i yield back. >> mr. cummings raise this issue pvc is not the right person. let's put up -- this is the briefing. put up the first light

>> she was critical in that she was lois lerner's boss.icated about how they would target conservative groups. in fact this has been one of the challenges. the irs wants to make anybody available, even if they worked at the irs during planning obamacare rather than sarah holing gram. they don't want to talk about what she did targeting conservative groups before she was there and turning the affordable care act into a previous presence for progressives. if you're conservatives not likely to gotten a waiver. bill: if that is targeting still happening and if so can you prove it? >> we can certainly prove going back to the other the 501 c-4s, conservative groups, majority called tea party groups have not granted or were denied application while no such thing was done for liberal groups. they simply continue to deny just. the old expression that justice denied or justice delayed is justice denied applies. until you get an approval or rejection there is nothing you can do. >> while this is all happening the eyes of the country on washington, d.

people who fail to perform their job accurately or fail to perform their job with integrity like lois lerner then they get a severance. so why would we do that? i think she should -- gregg: some of them get bonuses too. >> that's true. and they still get access to the irs database. t i think she should stay, and she should fix this. i think the longer that she's there, the better it is politically for republicans. but her arrogance, gregg, her hubris to say i don't work for you, who do you think pays her salary? so, again, i think she should stay there, i think she should fix it. this pr tour that she's doing is only helping -- hurting, i don't think it's helping. gregg: ed henry was saying there are a bunch of democrats calling for deadline of the penalties, a lot, if not all of them, are democrats up for re-election, so your reaction to that. >> it's a smart move for them to do. i mean, this is the most toxic program i think democrats have put their name behind in decades. and, look, gregg, just from a policy perspective it's not workable for the administration to continue as is. they're g

they have not gotten to the bottom of this and democrats have not owned up to this and lois lerner goto resign in retirement because of this. so you can imagine the heat would have been very high yesterday on capitol hill. >> elisabeth: retirement but it wasn't. check this out. >> have you been consorting with the devil? >> not to my knowledge, sir. >> are reports that you can fly accurate? >> greatly exaggerated, sir. >> some of the last questions made it seem that maybe were done in a joking manner, but this really is nothing to joke about. it's really kind of sad. >> steve: it is kind of sad. one of the headlines was that apparently the irs exchanged confidential taxpayer information with the white house, which is against the law, obviously. >> elisabeth: you're looking at the woman who sat and headed up the irs department that wrongly turned on tea party individuals and companies in terms of tax exemption, yet her questioning is light and funny? this isn't a late night program. she's there to tell the truth. i mean, she's raise -- i don't know if her finger was crossed behind her b

eric holder, not chuck hagel, not hillary clinton for benghazi, not anybody for benghazi, not lois lernerfor anything? i can't do it. >> people like to draw the comparisons between private industry. if she were the head of a private company, kathleen sebelius, would she be fired? president obama went to the podium last week and drew illusions to apple, remember? he was at the podium and said, hey, look, ios 7 shipped with a few bugs. apple fixed the bug the next day. >> the bug didn't make it inoperable. i have an ios 7 and the bugs were insufficient compared to the overall function. we have a system there, we paid $634 million and it's dysfunctional. it took facebook six years to spend $600 million. and the difference between facebook and obama care, facebook works. that's a big difference. >> so maybe he needs to take a page out of steve jobs' book and do a perception in front of a big screen, right? >> no, no. the thing is not overpromise and under deliver. overpromising this was going to be as easy as using amazon's website, one click and get your services. we have seen reports of peo