us all with the it's a strong transatlantic underpinning of security we can't guarantee our liberal western order isn't there's something there you know that we all in our generation have in common is there was this one was this this given that there would always be these exchanges between americans and germans and europeans there was this back and forth across the atlantic is that still a given i mean we see cutbacks in the united states with the fulbright program for example there's always talks about cutting that back i mean that those cultural those people mixers r r. they threatened right now. i'm not i'm not so sure that we are heading towards some sort of you know nation asst rupture or something like this you know one of the dirty little secrets of the transatlantic relationship is that actually most of it is quite boring and fairly established and very regular you know we have a snappy working groups and people meet at all kinds of levels all the time it's the high politics that is the problem you know we have these two layers of issues one of the agenda items you know what's the current

disagree with us on issues but then there is this underlying fundamental issue of order you know of how to preserve the liberal international order what the european security architecture should be about you know what the burden sharing in the alliance is all about those things should not the question even when at the agenda level you know we have you know quite a big disagreement and you know it's very important to distinguish between the two even when the american president often fails to distinguish between the two of them and we also have an appeal to civil society in our recommendations because as you say cultural diplomacy is an extremely important component of this relationship and there will be cutbacks for sure there have been there will probably be more and we cannot neglect this part of the exchange the exchange transatlantic values happens at many many levels also local levels and maybe it's time to do even more not less would you say this letter is basically optimistic and is telling people just hold your breath and when trump is gone the problem will be gone as well is that the take away no not r

disagree with us on issues but then there is this underlying fundamental issue of order you know of how to preserve the liberal international order what the european security architecture should be about you know what the burden sharing in the alliance is all about those things should not the question even when at the agenda level you know we have you know quite a big disagreement and you know it's very important to distinguish between the two even when the american president often fails to distinguish between the two of them and we also have an appeal to civil society in our recommendations because as you say cultural diplomacy is an extremely important component of this relationship and there will be cutbacks for sure there have been there will probably be more and we cannot neglect this part of the exchange the exchanged transatlantic values happens at many many levels also local levels and maybe it's time to do even more not less would you say this letter is basically optimistic and is telling people just hold your breath and when trump is gone the problem will be gone as well is that the take away no not

us all with the it's a strong transatlantic underpinning of security we can't guarantee our liberal western order isn't there's something there you know that we all in our generation have in common is there was this one was this this given that there would always be these exchanges between americans and germans and europeans there was this back and forth across the atlantic is that still a given i mean we see cutbacks in the united states with the fulbright program for example there's always talks about cutting that back i mean that those cultural those people mixers. aren't they threatened right now. i'm not i'm not so sure that we're heading towards some sort of you know isolationist rupture or something like this you know one of the dirty little secrets of the transatlantic relationship is that actually most of it is quite boring and fairly established and regular you know we have a snappy working groups and people meet all kinds of levels all the time it's the high politics that is the problem you know we have these two layers of issues one of the agenda items you know what's the current issu

trying came into office in the letter you write the united states inventor and guardian of the liberal order currently does not see itself as system guarantor so my question would be who is stepping in for the us now is it germany that's what we have heard a lot of talk about but even on the best of circumstances the germans or even the europeans as a whole we think do not have the strength and the structural power to really actually step in the unification process especially in foreign policy and this is mostly a question of upholding the liberal international its foreign policy the e.u. has not turned itself into a strategic player it is it is not capable of enforcing that kind of order and of issuing credible security get. he has two of those and as long as that's not the case they will not be able to step in now that doesn't mean that we should be doing more we certainly have to do more germany's specifically as us to actually you know carry more responsibility and also to pay more but you know even of all of that is forthcoming the u.s. remains the indispensable kind of building brick i

today of course some people say if you thinking is to short of the liberal order, to go with emphasis on economic aspects the united states is the biggest threat to the order. rather than china. and i went to some extent agree. it is very interesting though, commenting on that, to see how the united states now under the current administration has moved in a direction that a lot of people foresaw would happen when the cold war came to an end, but which didn't happen. that the united states would give up on a number of its international obligations, , and concentrate more on its own narrow self-interest. that took a long time in coming, and i have been interested in thinking about it because i think you have seen in many of the cases of great systemic shapes similar kinds of development which always kind of lack entail the new form of what is in place catches up with you. this, do not take this as an endorsement of current u.s. policies. [laughing] but as a reflection that the liberal order that a lot of people thought would be implement at the end of the cold war, which wasn't, elvis o

the idea of the so-called us led liberal international order being as it were a global system yes it was but the same time there were always exceptions former soviet bloc and china the third world a nonaligned movement and so on but today the context is still. google shifts have taken place in which that relationship of the nato system as you say which includes not just the united states not just nato european union as well the whole system as it were has a specific logic to it and that logic is opposed by china and a number of others and that logic is expansion enlargement its enlargement not just physically but also ideologically the view that it's as it were positive values a virtue and so is that is that the new terrain and terrain anatole of the i don't like using the word new cold war because as you said earlier it was something very different and it's not the same again but there is an ideological trend to it i mean the neo liberal order believes that it's destiny it's you know it's messy it's like a kind of messianic message for the world and russia obviously doesn't see it t

very different and it's not the same again but there is an ideological trend to it i mean the neo liberal order. leaves that it's destiny it's you know it's it's like a kind of messianic message for the world and russia obviously doesn't see it that way but nor of course do as richard said a very large number of people around the world including of course many western allies in the middle east nobody agrees with this aspect of the west from agenda it's not just posed by iran but of course in a different way it's posed by saudi arabia the largest democracy in the world as they constantly remind us india is now ruled by a government which strongly wishes a close defense alliance with the united states but absolutely rejects western liberal secularism as an ideology and rejects ferociously and the right of the us or the west to lecture india on this subject but of course i think you know what we're also seeing and i think that perhaps this also does explain some of the hysteria in the western indians is the very appropriate word well that you know in the era of trump in the era of the latest elect

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channels we are independents movements opposed to the neo liberal order just talk to us about the significance of this for those not accustomed to spanish politics like you south what this really means for the current debate now tried to develop and i don't know if you remember. the referendum that happened i gave according to the catalan region administration and their mandate to enact a law that would create a republic within forty eight hours however did we tell president cannot dare and it's got to be to parliament enact that so frankly we're getting here at that monday to fashion that would be glad it's not going to happen so again if they were empowered to enact at they just simply can't well joining me now is the shadow defense spokesperson another independence movement the scottish national party douglas chapman has just been to catalonia and he's speaking to us from his party's annual autumn a conference ahead of his lead in the cliff sturgeon speech in glasgow tomorrow thanks so much douglas and coming on the show disturbing trip with the s.n.p. shadow justice spokesperson joined cha

-- the way the country is going and some sense of disagreement from the little order -- the liberal leadinghe united states the coalition, in terms of the marshall plan, and building international organizations, like the united nations, the trade organizations, like nato -- in some sense, does the united states believe in those institutions? does it support those institutions? or is it turning back? it will be judged not only by the broadness of the political debate but where the country may have made a turn away from its traditional leadership role in the world. mike: sure, and you get people saying only half in jest that german chancellor angela merkel is the leader of the free world. saying thatple because she is engaged in those institutions. and then just this week, you of china,ident xi "the wall street journal" calling him the most powerful leader since mao. the economy is calling him the most powerful person in the world. is right, more powerful than the president. charlie: china is saying, "we want to lead. regardless of the past, we want to lead. we want to lead, and we wa

powerful ,peech he game at davos everyone saying president xi jinping is the champion of the global liberal order. how does that fit in with what you are hearing at the moment? >> one of the reasons the davos speech stood out for us was a question of where the united states was. what president xi jinping has been doing over the last two years is recognizing this is a strategic window for china to be moving into this space, symbolic or real, where the united states appears to be withdrawing and i think the davos speech is a good example that. one belt, one road is another great example of china stepping into the void where the united states appears to be with the drawing. one of the things which stands out and has always stood out is that while the party has been talking about global miss, openness, and reform, it has always been in the party documents, at the front or the back, and we ignored it. economya socialist under the leadership of the party and that will never waver. theave been hearing about historic mission of the party coming up on its 100th anniversary. this speech and said you can't

really powerful speech and had a lot of people questioning if china is now the helm of the global liberal order, if you will. this is a very different voice that we are hearing now, isn't it? >> he has moderated some of the language. notice of that speech. at the time, a new concept had emerged called the china solution. this was first promoted at the in septemberthink 2016, so just over a year ago, but it was given enormous play in the chinese media. international media hardly picked it up because it seemed so generic. china solution follows the china dream, china model, but it was a news package, and it was just sounded today. david, we are going to take you back to what xi jinping is saying at the moment. he's talking about reforms, talking about the economy shifting, seeking the high value chain. ofspeed up the development in consumptiont of medium to high level in ecologyg healthy, green for the provision of traditional production sections. promote our production into the ,igh-quality level worldwide , andoad, highway, airline other infrastructure construction. with forbearance of demand a

and some sense of the disengagement from the liberal order. n't mean that in terms of the liberal right left frame but in terms of the west and after the war. the united states sort of leading the coalition of nations to help other nations in terms of the marshall plan and that whole thing and building these international organizations like the united nations, like trade organizations like nato all of these other organizations that came forward there's some sense does the united states believe in those institutions does it work to support them or is it turning it back and will people be judged not only about the wrongness of the political debate but also in terms of where the country may have made a turn away from its traditional leadership role in the world. >> that's where you get people seeing only half in just the german chancellor angela merkel is the leader of the free world she's of course engaged in these institutions. just this week you see president xi of china who the "wall street journal" called him the most powerful leader since ma

since two thousand and eight when the financial crisis sort of showed the weakness of western liberal economic order so i think there is an element of opportunism but it's also important to recognize that this is something that goes back quite some time and even before she jinping himself. we're talking about new super powers rising and declining what do you make of the scandal surrounding the u.s. soldiers killed in the sherry the u.s. congress it seems knew very little about the soldiers even being there some call this mission creep you've got some people saying it's an example of congress being out to lunch is this the opposite of what we see with china are we seeing here a superpower that's overextended so much so that it doesn't even report what it's doing to congress. well i think a lot of a lot of what the u.s. does in terms of special forces soldiers stationed around the world is as is classified and i'm sure there are members of congress who are aware of the activities but not broadly speaking in terms of you know how the u.s. and china go about their business on the world stage china is ac

that russia is in fact seeking destroy or democracy and ndermine the liberal national order. and that is actually something that we have been told by intelligence community analysis on this. actually two ed contrasting explanations for what we have seen since election russians were trying to elect president trump, the other they were trying to si and e or definitely the broader international order. reality of what we are dealing with is a little than that.d i think you have pointed out them.of >> i don't really think this care that much whether we have a democracy or not. what they care about is are we going to mess with them the way ay and get in of their policy aims whatever our ideology. quite agree. >> i think they are somewhat apolitical in that sense, that a larger agenda which is they more care about us from ideological w than view except as relates to their how they view and true democracy or no. jurisdiction let's go first to center for t at the the national interest. >> i completely agree with eric, issue for the russians is probably not american democracy. russians

and you are right that russia is in fact leaning forward in pushing back against the american liberal world order and then postmodernism the point and it's leading standing forth as a conservative power that is standing for these principles you can hardly be surprised or shocked that the liberals. as a threat i mean it's just goes without saying you can't deny russia's agency in this. particular way it doesn't agree with its values e. so if someone doesn't agree with your values you're a threat well you have to remember a conservative nationalism if it gets populist and off have some extremely dangerous consequences in the international water and the russians suffered more than anyone else given that they took most of the burden of defeating hitler of course it's nonsense and it's insulting nonsense to call mr putin. but that does to some extent reflect. in western elites that this is where the world might be going might even be where they. want to be. one of the predictions this is a very conservative prediction is that more than a quarter of the british population in thirty years' time is going

that russia is in fact seeking to destroy our democracy and undermine the liberal international order. and that is actually something that we have been told by official u.s. intelligence community analysis on this. which is offered actually two contrasting explanations for what we have seen since election one that the russians were trying to elect president trump, the other they were trying to undermine our democracy and the broader international order. i think that the reality of what we are dealing with is a little more nuanced than that. i think you have pointed out some of them. >> i don't really think the russians care whether we have a democracy or not. i think what they care about is are we going to mess with them in some way and get in the way of their policy aims, whatever our ideology. >> i quite agree. >> i think they are somewhat apolitical in that sense, that they have a larger agenda, which is they more care about us from pragmatic view than ideological view except as relates to their own population and how they view true democracy or not. first to o our president at the

protectionism had been building over the last years when the united states saw the system of liberal economic order we should do they have been the key prater. to work against them that countries like malaysia china. south korea etc cetera including europe. benefiting more than originally of the united states so that it would do the same with absolutely clear that there would be a revolt of the american middle class against. both of them both cultural and the comic because this middle class has been losing and there was i mean written on the wall. the question was how that would. come to the service come to the surface. in the case of. the interim by the way obama. came with more of the same. agenda he said i mean let's make america first of its repair or economy. let's cut foreign interventions but he basically in a very softly way he had to trump him and well there is a lot of continue to when you look at the sort of argumentation but i think he had to big a sticking point is he personality because a bomb ah is much more agreeable and likeable man then trying to i'm sure. he's the guy i've been f

since two thousand and eight when the financial crisis sort of showed the weakness of western liberal economic order so i think there is an element of opportunism but it's also important to recognize that this is something that goes back quite some time and even before she jinping himself. we're talking about new super powers rising and declining what do you make of the scandal surrounding the u.s. soldiers killed in. the u.s. congress it seems knew very little about the soldiers even being there some call this mission creep you've got some people saying it's an example of congress being out to lunch is this the opposite of what we see with china are we seeing here a superpower that's over extended so much so that it doesn't even report what it's doing to congress. well i think a lot of a lot of what the u.s. does in terms of special forces soldiers stationed around the world is as is classified and i'm sure there are members of congress who are aware of the activities but not broadly speaking in terms of you know how the u.s. and china go about their business on the world stage china is actually in

one of the people who helped found this wrote the book "the creation of the international liberal order." see that order as under threat and one of the things most under threat is the security of democracies. we see that order is being under we believe a stable world depends on sustaining democracy and democracy depends on the sanctity of the vote. in recent years, this fundamental core to our government has come under threat. in thedented assaults united states and europe are bringing scrutiny uncertainty to once in viable electoral processes. ord has come under threat. unprecedented assault in the united states and europe are bringing scrutiny and uncertainty to once and vibrant electoral processes. we haven't yet donein countering this information both within our eurasia center and in our digital forensic research lab, cutting edge work. we haven't done yet work in this area so it's a particular pleasure and honor to be associated with this event and the work behind it. in the current geopolitical climate, preserving or in some cases reinstating public faith in the integrity of secur

freeman and company, that russia is seeking to destroy our democracy, and underman the liberal international order. and that's actually something we've been told by official u.s. intelligence community analysis on this. which has offered actually two contrasting explanations for what we have seen since the election. one, that the russians were trying to elect president trump, the other that they were trying to undermine our democracy and the broader international order. and i think the reality of what we're dealing with is little bit more nuanced than that. and i think you pointed out some of those nuances which are important to consider. >> i would really respond, i don't think honestly the russians care about whether we have a democracy or not. i think they care about are we going to mess with them and get in their political ideals. >> i quite agree. >> so i think they're somewhat apolitical in that sense. in that they have a larger agenda, which they more care about us from a pragmatic point of view, rather than an problematic point of view as it relates to their ideals. >> let's go first to dm

the values of free trade, the values of a liberal global order these are western ideas, right?ked like this anywhere else. and yet it works. >> well, i think my objection or my discomfort with the lack of democratic freedoms is that i think we can allow a lot more without hurting singapore's prosperity and stability one ounce. what will we lose if we had a free press, or had more democratic or opposition representation? just a more livelier debate, a better debate. we may well arrive at the conclusion that the current dispensation of order makes up the best society for singapore. it's possible that the human mind that the average citizen cannot deal with that much diversity. that we need to curb some restrictions on our freedom. >> the free speech -- >> it's like a drug, right? it's too much of a good thing. go ahead, spoil yourself. the es and es hybrid. experience amazing. upeace of mind.s we had a power outage for five days total. we lost a lot of food. we actually filed a claim with usaa to replace that spoiled food. and we really appreciated that. we're the webber family a

the global economy and world rules according to the current rules and our rules in the liberal international orderre though benefits and he would like a more liberal global globally and the question is how will we achieve the goals that you clearly set out and the rules of the road that america stands for. steve: tell us about that. what are some of the steps which mark. >> i think we need to be much more careful about our high-tech trade and investment that we have with china because there are certainly national security concerns and we could be much more vigorous about that and i think we also need to work with american allies that are getting hammered by china in asia and in europe. we are now turning them against us because we are not prioritizing china relative to korea, the challenges we have with germany and be of great ways to operate with them. there is also potential penalties in limiting chinese investment if we don't get reciprocity with investment in business in china. steve: but we never get reciprocity. what i worry about is that we will try these things but it's the same stuff we'v

mitch mcconnell idea of a traditional republican policy built on an america that promoting a liberal world orderdroppiemocracy and things republican party has stood for since world war ii. the it's easy to say given the election of president trump that the ban non side is winning. they certainly won the most recent battle, but this fight not just inside the republican party but around the country and the world, let's remember, is very much ongoing. what we saw the speeches of john mccain and george bush last week and whatever you think of their records, and for sure, both of their records are mixed on these issues, but their message was clear, that this about thele of ideas for not just the identity of the republican party but the identity of america, that that battle needs to be fought and that battle is just beginning. >> and it raises the question there why a state's republican party would give a platform to someone who has declared war on their very party. >> well bannon's mission has been to eject all of the bush era establishment republicans from the party and bring in this new wave of pop

. >> donald: the values of free trade, the values of a liberal global order, these are western ideas.t. >> anthony: i mean, look, it shouldn't work. it hasn't really worked like this anywhere else. and yet, it works. >> donald: i think my objection or my discomfort with the lack of democratic freedoms is that i think we cannot allow a lot more without hurting singapore's prosperity, it's stability, one ounce. what will we lose if we had a free uprise? what would we lose if we had more democratic opposition representation? it would make for not only a livelier debate, it would make for a better debate. we may well arrive at the conclusion that the current dispensation of the current order represents the best possible society for singapore. but let's have that debate. >> anthony: i mean, it's a horrifying thought, "what if?" >> donald: it'possib that the human mind, that the average citizen, cannot deal with that much diversity, that we need these curbs or restrictions on our freedom. >> anthony: what if free speech is like bad? >> donald: it's like a drug, right? it's too much of a goo

to sow civil discord into actually undermine the united states place at the head of that liberal democratic orderheir underlying goals here. and so we've seen that continue as you said with the take a knee hash tag the russians have appropriated themselves. >> what do you say to the president who as recently as last night with sean hannity was saying that this is all a democratic hoax just to deny him the victory of his own success? >> well, i would say that president trump should listen to his intelligence community, he should listen to the private sector, he should listen to his advisors. all of who unanimously to a t have said that there was a russian effort to interfere in the election. they echoed the conclusions put forward in the january 2016 intelligence report that the nsa, fbi and cia signed on to. and so there is a clear body of evidence that speaks to the contrary. and actually sheryl sandberg said something very interesting today. she said facebook would welcome the additional support from the intelligence community to help facebook identify some of the forensics mind the ru s behind

breathless universe of fake news just signed to push through the cruelty and exploitation of the neo liberal order up force so far to the margins of society including by a public broadcasting system that has sold its soul for corporate money that we might as well be mice squeaking against an avalanche but squeak we must. larry king now tony goldwyn. the notion of the present united states. they enlisted affair and be an affair with a woman of a different color was. provocative and now i think you know partly because of people like arms and storytelling. humbled on a daily basis. love work with. so many aspects. where a woman approaches problem solving and leadership. strips some of the insights that we have plus. and sit. there with her because she was a scammer for us as sure. as she was taking the pictures tried to kiss me. and turn my head sort of startle and she looked. at me she took her camera all next on larry king now. larry king now attorney visit with actor writer director tony goldwyn for six years tony has been ruptured audiences as president fitzgerald grant on the a.b.c. smash hits s

who is again supported the as they see the democrat forces in order to liberate these and of course the. matter how the nation led by united states they have and we have also seen a common goal which is no fighting the terrorism i think that these two groups who sit in all of europe all of the word and we have witnessed what happened in paris badly in stockholm in brussels so these groups they are sending everywhere to use that we have now a common goal of coming along with the united states and all of the international alliance to support but we if we ask we count on the united states of course we count about on our own people on our own forces if these forces are not there nobody can do anything for them and what about if let's say that isis is completely destroyed and you still have bashar al assad to your south you have iran to the east and you have turkey to your north you could be in a situation where you are surrounded by potential enemies and how do you deal with that if you have an floundering or an indifferent u.s. administration. i think what's happening in syria is not just

. >> you can point to the obama administration which used executive order rather liberally in the last two years of the presidency. this is right out of the gate for him, for trump. >> president trump is critical of president obama for overusing executive power, expanding the definition of what a president can do. he had to use it himself. he is very frustrated with congress. this is the beginning of his presidency and also with a gong of his own party. that is rather stark. he has turned to his executive power to do that. on the other hand, what his white house will tell you he is using executive power to undo what were overly expansive actions by his predecessor. undoing the daca program, undoing some of the health care things that the previous president has done using executive authority, and the iran deal. so far he has completely canceled those things but is taking action towards that end. >> let's talk about an article in "vanity fair" entitled "i hate everyone in the white house" they fear the president is unraveling. what you are seeing, what you are hearing as you cover the wh

they work would the national liberation front to carry out guerilla lam was ordered to use his skillslaunch a propaganda campaign in the south. lam made the grueling trek down the h he still has some of those posters. a liberation front soldier. the slogan reads protect the people's government. >> translator: a female soldier with the revolutionary flag has stepped into the sun lite. it symbolizes the birth of a new government. fighting for the peoples' government mattered during the war. it matters today. and it will matter in the future. always. that is what i was thinking when i drew this. >> copies were distributed in south as well as north vietnam. some of lam's creations were aimed at a different audience. >> translator: i had another job to make u.s. soldiers oppose the war in vietnam. so i added the words "hurry home." the soldier's wife is calling had him to leave vietnam and come home soon. that was the idea. >> the women in liberation front controlled vill ages handed out leaflets to soldiers. they were a quarter of this size. >> translator: once we found one of these leafl