what are the benefits of religious liberty, if you will?we have seen some comments --cently that where religious we have seen recent studies, international freedom, the pew study, where religious liberty is wide and broad we have religious pluralism and a more peaceful society. what are the implications now for america, and how does your particular community work toward that greater religious liberty? >> first of all i appreciate the whole panel. everyone is tremendously thoughtful, and i am just really honored to be on this panel with such an esteemed group of leaders. i think we have answered that question come up first question, as to why it is important now in the course of this panel, and why, because there is hard data of a growing secularization of the country, and at times by some -- and i like how the elder said by some -- secularization means hostility to religion in a way that is much more acute actually in europe, and i am thinking of france, where sikh and muslim children are not allowed to wear their coverings to school or hav

and what's important in this entire affair is that your civil liberties are human rights and your value as a human being does not depend on the color of your passport those are inviolable rights you have a right to privacy of communications you have a right to your family you have a right to freedom of expression they do not whatsoever depend on citizenship passport or something else now one of the reasons why the united states can afford to spy on people around the world done such a scale is of course have to do with the infrastructure much of the. global internet infrastructure is like a date in the united states and much of the electronic traffic passes through the united states is it something that could be solved on a structural level by simply reading or acting internet flows this is very interesting because it is in the interest of today's player to keep it this way it is in the interest of the large surveillance industry if you like to keep the internet in the hands of a very few select players because it's much easier to go to five or six internet service providers and bully th

and what's important in this entire affair is that your civil liberties are human rights and your value as a human being does not depend on the color. all of your passport those are inviolable rights you have a right to privacy of communications you have a right to your family you have a right to freedom of expression they do not whatsoever depend on citizenship passport or something else now one of the reasons why the united states can't afford you spy on people around are all done such a scale is of course have to do with the infrastructure much of the. global internet infrastructure implicated in the united states and much of the electronic traffic passes through the united states even something that could be solved on a structural level by simply reading or acting internet flows this is very interesting because it is in the interest of today's player to keep it this way it is in the interest of the large surveillance industry if you like to keep the internet in the hands of a very few select players because it's much easier to go to five or six internet service providers and bully t

the issue of religious liberty is one that affects all of us as americans. it is a foundational principle upon which our nation was founded, and for these reasons and many more we all must be vigilant to the threats that seek to diminish this tremendous liberty. with that being said, let me tell you what has been happening in colorado. it was just one year ago this month when the colorado court of appeals ruled that the content of gubernatorial proclamations in reference to a colorado day of prayer are "predominantly religious. they lack a secular context and there effect is a government endorsement of religion as preferred over nonreligion. the court pointed out that it's neither "sacrilegious or anti- religious to say that each separate government in this country should stay out of the business of writing or sanctioning religious prayers and leave that up to the people themselves." this decision was an inappropriate response to what was a long-standing practice of the governor of colorado recognizing the national day of prayer and acknowledging the right o

the issue of religious liberty is one that affects all of us as americans. it is a foundational principle upon which our nation was founded. and for these reasons and many more, we all must be vigilant to the threats that seek toty myish this tremendous liberty. with that being said, let me take a few minutes to tell you what has been happening in colorado. it was just one year ago this month when the colorado court of appeals ruled that the content of gubernatorial proclamations in reference to a colorado day of prayer are, quote: predominantly religious, they lack a secular context, and their effect is a government endorsement of religion as preferred over nonreligion. the court went on to point out that it's quote: sack -- sack religious or nonreligious that the state should leave that function purely up to themselves. this decision was an inappropriate response to what was a longstanding practice to have governor of colorado recognizing the national day of prayer and acknowledging the right of an individual to pray and to worship. the decision was an unf

there comes a point where you cannot protect liberty by becoming an enemy of liberty. we are going to reach that point if we excuse all executive power by possibly preventing a terrorist attack. >> a lot of people watching this show are in the state department, have served overseas, there is something called a brewing back. you keep it by your desk. things are destroyed at the end of the day. you do not talk about certain things unless you are in at a certain room. that atmosphere is now here with us. now we feel the same way about our positions, what we can destroy, how we behave in public, but we behave differently overseas. >> let me ask you a particular washington question. aren't you regarded when you're in a restaurant -- >> yes, but this has sort of stuff up on us. charles is rewriting history here. smart people did not entirely realize what was in the second patriot act and the subsequent ones. both presidents bush and obama are guilty of this. there was a case about this in the supreme court this year, which is the only reason that i realized that, a, you neve

first, the current attack on religious liberty is an attack on human liberty we need to be clear about that. in the 20th century became to recognize human identities such as race and ethnicity and national origin. additionally we came to recognize the importance of gender to a knowledge the human dignity of both men and women while at the same time with the unique contributions of each sex and recently we have come to understand some people also form powerful identities around sexual orientation and a gay-rights group is based on the fact that for some people's sexual identity is a defining characteristic of who they will they want themselves to be these various dimensions of human dignity year secular not religious in nature. all of these aspects of human identity are now seen not as something widely important in their private life but as worthy to public acceptance we no longer demand people remain in the closet of their personal identity and wealth creating challenges this openness and except its of human diversity can be positive. but this accommodation a secular interests cannot b

chaos, instability, lack of liberty. that's what replaces us at the salt loses its value and if america declines. jesus went on to say you are the light of the world, a city set on a mountain cannot be hidden, nor did they lighted lamp and put it under a bushel basket. it set up on a lampstand berg insight to rob a house. that is a call to us. our values were not about hiding it or talking about it. our values are tested through time. our values have been proven to be essential values for a strong society and ultimately strong nation. not because we sit in judgment of others and not because they don't respect others who use. in a free society people disagree that we should respect their views that they should respect our spirit this call for us to silence ourselves and stop speaking about values that we know work is a big mistake. that means we would hide the light. that means we would hide the light. same with america. the idea that time has come to retreat from the world and it are the issues around us is a call for us

linchpins of liberty exists to defend the cause of order of liberty. we reject the expansion of the state beyond its legitimate authorities and we regard human liberty. i respectfully urge and yield to this committee today, which is a code equal branch o of the fedel government tested with authority in response to to check the powers of the executive branch. i would ask that you act with courage and moral resolve or in so doing, you will, the intent is that you will, sorry, i got, my time is running there. >> you may conclude. >> thank you. i would just ask that you would act with a moral resolve to check the powers of the executive branch because in so doing you will protect, defend, if in a preserve human liberty for ourselves and our posterity. thank you. >> thank you very much, trent lowe but our next witness is diane belson, laurens county tea party in south carolina. you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. and for having me today. my name is dianne besom, i'm the president of laurens county tea party. laurens county tea party is a soci

is that the expense of our liberty and travesty. thechallenge is to strike right balance. where we have safety, safety into account, we also allow privacy and freedom. again, i argue we are too far towards the police state to tell a terry inside to inefficient governmentbalances, finding phone records, those sorts of of things. we need to balance in a way similar to what we have done traditionally even during the height of the cold war. higher as when crime was in the 1980's. looking at a balance between the two, a similar standard for what we have intercepted phone calls. or a search warrant of somebody's home. >> with regard to your e-mail legislation, is it a bipartisan was work -- bipartisan? do you have cosponsors? >> will talk about the e-mail and the phone records. they are all bipartisan event each one of them. -- bipartisan. each one of them. found,publicans have they said guess what, we have a chief executive that we should not trust or like and what did we give them all of this power. i ask all of my friends before assigning all of this power, relies we do not h

in this country, precious liberties. later, our chief whois correspondent jessica yelin traveling with the president. the popp topic is about cyberattacks, how high will that be for all the reporters who want to know more about all that spying. quation... before reminding ourselves that some bonds are more valuable than others... and before weighing the ups and downs in your life over the ups and downs in the market... we changed the way we help you live in retirement by changing the way we work with you to and through retirement. connecting your wealth with your health and your life. that's the power of a merrill lynch advisor. but once a week i let her play sheriff so i can wash it. i use tide to get out those week old stains and downy to get it fresh and soft. you are free to go. [ dad ] tide and downy together. >>> back to the story so many people are talking about today, debating, arguing, agreeing with or really fearing, the united states spying on americans. honestly, there is no other way to put this. it is spyin

maybe most precious of all your liberty. i think we owe it to the american people to have a debate in the open about the extent of these programs. you have a law interpreted by a secret court to generate a secret program. i just don't think this is an american approach to a world in which we have great threats. my number one goal is to protect the american people, but we can do it in a way that also protects our civil liberties. >> we'll leave it there this

linchpins of liberty exists to defend the cause of liberty.the state beyond its legitimate authority and we jealously regard human liberty. i respectfully urge and appeal this committee, to this committee today, which is, a coequal branch of the federal government vested with authority and responsibility to check the power of the executive branch. i would ask that you act with courage and moral resolve for in so doing, you will, the intent is that you will, sorry, i got, my time was running there. >> you may conclude. >> thank you. i would just ask that you would act with the moral resolve to check the power of the executive branch because in so doing you will protect and defend, and defend and preserve human liberty for ourselves and our posterity. thank you. >> thank you very much, mr. kookgey. our next witness is diane belsom. founder and president of lawrence county tea party in south carolina. you're recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. thank you for having me today. my name is diane belsom i'm president of lawrence county tea party

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we'll never be kept hundred% safe, and to give up these basic fundamental liberties with the promise of being a little bit safer, seems to be an unfair tradeoff. it's not good enough for me. i don't think it's good enough for the mass population out there. and terrorism is going to occur -- frankly have a better chance of dying from the flu than from a terrorist attack, and to give up our civil liberties to keep us safer from terrorism doesn't seem like a tradeoff use. >> neil: i'm looking at something bigger, the sheer size and present and nature of these sweeping government institutions, that this is inevitable, whether it's pinned or pegged to apatriot act and when institutions get thing big, it's a matter of time before the gate this intrusive. >> that's a legitimate fear. him in a government gets this big or an organization gets this big, bound to find some way to abuse that power and invade fundamental founding prims as -- principles as we have seen, and that may be the nature of the beast we're dealing with. >> neil: ills it an out of control beast? >> it seems right now, base

he's now chairman of the campaign for liberty. thank you for joining me. you are a supporter of edward snowden and his actions, why? >> well, from what i hear and what he's done, i mean, he's done a great service because he's telling the truth and this is what we are starved for. the american people are starved for the truth. and when you have a dictatorship or authoritarian government, truth becomes treasonous, and this is what they do. if you are a whistle-blower or if you're trying to tell the american people that our country is destroying our rule of law and destroying our constitution, they say -- they turn it on and say, you're committing treason. so this is a big problem. and to expect any changes without an announcement like this, things keep getting worse, they've gotten worse steadily for the past ten years, so essentially there is no fourth amendment any more. and for somebody to tell the american people the truth is a heroic effort, and he knows it's risky, he knows he's committing civil disobedience and he knows he could get punished, he belie

of liberty. that is why the first amendment. it is there because the press that holds the government accountable, forces them to take responsibility. what is astonishing to me is how the supporters of this president cast this aside. they belittled the attack on the media. you have seen them as long as rosen weren't prosecuted it's not an attack on the media. that is really facially ridiculous. >> that with have well known law professor jonathan turley, his take. it ran under the headline, the attorney general holder must go. the scandal involves spying on journalists. turley wrote that column for u.s.a. today calling on herald to get fired for his attacks on the news media. he called eric holder as sin eater an 18th century religious term. >> i have to look it up. >> jon: someone that shields the president from responsibilities. is that what is going on? >> i think there is an all right of that. ron at national journalist, what off the record is as opposed to -- look, this meeting should have bee

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we should all fight for liberty and that's where that's why we live. in certain ways and are alive i've been speaking to so many people who are in support of what he's done in some ways you can see him as a sacrificial lamb everybody sitting there in their own safety saying great applauding him what there's a future hold for him his own personal fate just briefly sorry there was a little read back of noise in my earphones just briefly what is the future for snowden himself in effect his sacrifice himself as me for people who are polled his cause people like you. well well i think he really deserves much better than being perceived as if he was a criminal he's not he's a good citizen so i think he should get political asylum in a good country and i'm a come to you know germany or whatever european country and he should get a medal of honor or something like that and i think the u.s. government that they should really think sorry that's that's one way i think erica it really good to talk to thank you very much sorry about the the difficulty with the. wit

democrats are supposed to be about social liberty. now i got the democrats acting reich republicans and taking your money. this is not good. >> ron fornier, if anything, you made this point, obama is continuing the bush policies. i lock at some of the under surveillance, the a.p. the fox news, secret subpoenas and under surveillance, i would say team obama has gone thursday than bush at left in some cases. >> you might want to make that argument t. democrats have made the counterarchitect. to me it doesn't matter. what are we doing arguing over who is worse on civil liberties. the fact of the matter is both these presidents have a terrible record and we don't know what they're doing. we need to find out what they're doing and do the responsibly and have a ambulance we all agree on. not dos phishing expeditions through our electronic underwear. >> peter, i'm for the expert on this i'm not a lawyer. this has been authorized under fisa which goes back i believe to the late 1970s. if i'm not mistaken, at least the telecom part of this was

so there is a balance to our civil liberties. a metal detector to board an airplane. i don't like the fact that for ten years i have to take off my shoes. we have to find out if we are comfort obviously to preserve our way of life? i am comfortable. i think they are safe and protect us. >> i will let jim walsh respond with that. go ahead, jim. >> first of all, it would be great to see evidence with this. senator feinstein was asked can you fame incidents that were stopped? she was unable to name any of them. we need to know if they hepp help in these cases, a terrorist attack would not have prevented, it was this and only this that would have saved the day. we can do all sorts of things if we want to stop terrorism. in other countries, i have been to north korea, i have been to iran. if someone commits a crime, they punish that person,ist imprison them and tear families and tear family's families. so if all we care about is stopping crime, we can do all sorts of things, we don't live in a country like that. this is not about taki

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>> reporter: he and many other conservatives believe the rulings will burden the religious liberty ofhose who oppose gay marriage. kim daniels is an attorney and spokesperson for the president of the u.s. conference of catholic bishops, cardinal timothy dolan. >> it could lead to the loss of government contracts and benefits for those who uphold the truth of marriage as the union of a man and a woman. it could lead to the loss of professional licensing or institutional accreditation. people could face anti-discrimination suits because they refuse to give up their beliefs that marriage is the union of a man and a woman. >> reporter: but she says, the battle isn't over. >> this has really energized the movement for marriage redefinition and at the same time it's energized those of us who believe that marriage as the union of a man and a woman for the sake of their children, is an important part of the common good of our country. and i know that we'll continue to contribute to this conversation, because catholics witness to the joy of our teachings on marriage and family, and that's some

we're losing our liberty. john adams, second president of the united states, said our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. mr. speaker, the people of the united states are great people. this government is a great government. but when the attack comes on what makes america america and that it's liberty and it's -- and its freedom and its moral and traditional heritage that's being impinge -- impinged upon for violating rights of conscience, we must stand and stand firmly. i thank the gentleman from nebraska for pulling us together to speak out clearly tonight and i would hope, mr. speaker, that those who are listening and watching tonight on c-span will speak out very strongly to their communities and families, calling us back to decency, order, conviction, and a conscience that even god can honor. i yield back. mr. fortenberry: i thank the gentleman for his powerful remarks. the rights of conscience go way beyond the issues of heal

>> the reality is that this oversight board that was supposed to deal with civil liberties and privacy hasn't been filled for a long time. created a long time ago. administration was slow in terms of filling positions. it finally now is in a position to act and see if the right balance has been created. but this has been a long time coming. i have written a letter to them. it is a bipartisan letter. it is saying this is very serious under our constitution. what is happening. we want you to look into it. and come back with conclusions to us. and i'm encouraged that president is meeting with the oversight board and having a discussion with them. but i want them to go forward, be aggressive and i want them to look the at constitutional issues that are involved here. >> you are also critical of the chief who came before the senate and we learned more about the situation sense then. do you have more questions for them? what would you like to hear him be asked today? >> well, i think the first thing we have to do, if we're talking transparency and openless, is we have to get the secret order

that's the analysis since the magna carta about how we protect liberty. what do we put in place to check government officials to make sure that when they behave, this ebehave in a way that respects our most fundamental values. >> didn't you assume that once the patriot act was signed in 2001, we're being watched? >> in a sense, yes, we're being watched. i certainly assumed that there were computers that were making flags whenever certain kinds of words or relationships were established. i was sure that was happening. especially internationally. but the question, again, is the difference between computers doing it in a well-regulated sense and computers giving humans the ability to pick up and to listen. now, again, the president has said that nobody's listening to telephone calls, or reading e-mails of american citizens. those two statements could be perfectly true and there could still be something fundamentally to worry about. put that aside for a second. in the old days, the thing you worried about is a government agent listening to the telephone call.

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civil liberties. at the same time, we face a very real asymmetric threat in the national terrorism and our greatest line of defense is against the terrorism, intelligence-gaining capabilities. that balance shifts based on the circumstances and the time. we do need congressional oversight on this. it is a good thing these laws come up for reauthorization. i am every bit as concerned with civil liberties. we are going to conduct robust oversight on these programs >>> general hayden, let's talk about the general reaction you have to senator paul and i will get into specific issues. as the man that used to run these programs, how important and effective have they been in keeping us safe and how do you hear when you hear about senator paul talk about class action lawsuits with the supreme court's new congressional restrictions? >> with regard to how effective they, they are very effective. we have had two very different presidents pretty much doing the same thing with regard to lk trick surveillance. that

civil liberties groups have responded to the news with outrage. the aclu called the program beyond orwellian. while the center for technology said it was an abuse of the patriot act on a massive scale. responding today, a senior white house official noted that the does not allow the government to listen in on anyone's telephone calls, instead it allows for monitoring of meta data, such as the telephone number or the link of a call. all three branches of government are involved in the review process and intelligence collection. for a white house battling controversy over its policies to combat 21st century terrorism threats, the action in the wake of news will fuel debate over what is in our national security interests, and what constitutes a step too far. for attorney general eric holder, the road ahead looks rocky. another law enforcement official tells nbc news that this disclosure will undoubtedly trigger another leak investigation. joining me today, new york city deputy mayor, how old wolfson, senior managing attorney at the center for constit

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of -- and civil liberties of american citizens under the constitution.e board was created by congress based on a relation of the 9/11 commission, but it has taken years -- many of you realize this and know this -- years to get a full membership in a chairman. i've been working to get this board operational since i was in the house, and i believe it can provide an important check against civil liberties abuses. the, richard clark who was the counterterrorism aide under three presidents, i believe, just wrote an article recently on this and suggested we won't have the problems today if we had stood up this board much more quickly. general alexander, will the nsa cooperate with any investigation conducted by the privacy and civil liberties oversight board into the agency's collection and analysis programs? >> senator, we will. and i think, in fact, we met -- my deputy met with the board yesterday and actually briefed them for a couple of hours on both programs so that they understood. and be i think, i don't know if you've gotten feedback from that, but fro

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