lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. dr. gail saltz, clinical psychiatrist and professor of psychiatry at new york presbyterian hospital and drew petrimo. he's been tracking this case. give us the back story of this seemingly wealthy couple and what was happening in their lives before she wound up dead with a bullet to the head. >> they came to orlando from atlanta in 2007. bob ward started a real estate company called land resources, which really had a hand in real estate all over the country developing luxury townhouses and homes and developing neighborhoods. they made a lot of money. he was making the company pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars during its prime, but as a lot of business has happened during this economic downturn, business went south and they had legal problems with certain developments and their house here in orlando was foreclosed on so the economic tough times really took a toll on this man's business and apparently, his family as well. >> yeah. and among the hours of jailhouse tapes that have bee

lisa bloom. don't blame the media for that. >> thank you. >> we're reporting what we see. >> that's right. >> if we were to keep this quiet, people would say, well being you wouldn't show this because he's a rich guy. and if he was a poor guy -- >> i'm not blaming the media. it's a fact. i'm not blaming the media. i'm just saying i understand your function and you then show it on the news. >> lisa -- >> but listen, listen, the judicial system is a branch of government, just like the legislative and executive. we're all paying for it. we should have transparency in all three branches of government. i think the other 49 states should follow florida's lead. >> me, too. >> we should know what's going on in our courts, our police and our jails. and in our jails and by the way, everybody is warned. this guy and everybody in jail is warned, you are being videotaped. you are being audiotaped. when you're on the phone. hello! and they go ahead and engage in this behavior anyway. i was an anchor on court t

let's go to lisa bloom, if we could, legal analyst from cnn. lisa bloom, we spoke about this. we all -- i have young children now, your children are getting much bigger. but hey, kids will be kids, right? >> yes. i've been watching the coverage for the last hour. here's the question that i have. how are three children who all appear to be under the age of 10 unsupervised for long enough that a couple of them can climb onto the roof, one of them goes missing for several hours, a hot air balloon gets untethered, which we learned is a fairly complicated process, and goes up. the only statements we're hearing about is the statements from the little brothers. look at them, they're young children. they appear to be under the age of 10 to me. where were the adults in charge? where were the parents? i understand children can run off and hide and children can disappear. >> i understand that. but how far do you take this? do you want family services taking a look at this family? >> i might, vinnie, especially when i hear about them taking the kids on storm chasers. if they want to be ad

two of my favorite guests joining me, lisa bloom and also with us cooper lawrence, psychologist and author of the book "the cult of celebrity. lisa, you can make a good argument, good move by letterman to go on the offensive and make fun of himself before someone else can take the first shot at him, right? >> yeah, absolutely. he did what he had to do, because once he went in front of the grand jury and testified yesterday, that's over a dozen citizens. once law enforcement is involved, there's the potential for leaks. so as a comedienne, he had people laughing. he makes himself the butt of the jokes right off the bat. who can top that? who is going to make it worse for letterman, he's come out swinging and very effectively from a pr point of view. >> cooper, your take on this as you watch it unfold? not only last night but beyond as people talk about it today. >> he used the word "sex." he didn't say i had inappropriate relationship. he came out in front of it and the best defense is an offense, is that -- i don't know sports, is that the right -- >> the best offense is a good defense. >>

now, lisa bloom, here's the problem. over at cbs where the late show airs, you have a situation with the big boss dated and then married a staffer. early show anchor juli schen. i know your mom, famed attorney gloria allred is basically taking a shot at letterman, too. she says dave engaged in sexual favoritism in the workplace. do you, lisa, believe there was a quid pro quo in the late show offices, if you have sex with me, you're going to get better assignments, you're going to be the one who does those cute little skits out there at the deli? >> first of all, full disclosure. i'm cbs "early show" legal analyst. but that doesn't matter, because we've been talking about it openly on the "early show" every day. there's a big difference between les and moon, who are openedly married. somebody like david letterman who apparently for a long period of time had secret relationships with staffers. i agree with the national organization for women, i think that creates a very negative environment for the women who are not select

lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. wendy murphy, former prosecutor, author of "and justice for some" and professor at new england school of law. stacy kaiser, psychotherapist and the lone male on the panel, carlos diaz. i know you can handle us. >> i don't like my odds here. i'm not going to make any comments about sex in the workplace, okay? because i'm going to get killed on that. >> carlos, bring it. >> dude, dude. >> we're not going to put you on the spot, per se. we're going to put david letterman on the spot tonight. what is the latest? >> the latest is that, you know, now you have another motive here, which could be revenge. we knew before that joe halderman had some financial difficulties, but now when you throw the revenge factor in there, it becomes more and more like a hollywood script every day, a jilted lover who not only wanted money but wanted to see dave burn and dave even said it when he made the admission last thursday, he said that, you know, this person who wants to extort money from me said to me y

lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. there she is. stacy honowitz, supervisor of the sex crimes unit in the florida prosecutors office. and michael silverman, psychologist and neuroscientist in the department of psychiatry at new york's mt. sinai school of medicine. we start with henry lee, reporter with the san francisco chronicle. what is the very latest? >> as you can see, we have jaycee dugard featured in the upcoming front page of the "people" magazine. beautiful brunette woman. this is empowering for her. she is saying i have survived, i am here, she wants to give thanks to everyone who has given her and her family support. unbelievable developments so she is there giving her story across the nation. jaycee dugard is back. >> now, tonight's big issue, is the photo of jaycee grinning on the cover of "people" magazine somehow misleading? perhaps masking some very painful feelings underneath? listen to what one expert told cbs news. >> the smile on her face is quite deceptive. it's a true expression of what she's feeling right now,

. >> gloria alred is talking about it and her daughter, lisa bloom is saying it's about favoritism more than harassment because the other girls are not sleeping with them and they are not on tv getting after scale. that's the real problem. >> well, i don't think gloria allred, if you're going to talk about somebody, she actually turns the screws on people, it's an entirely different subject. she's just bitter about the whole thing. >> every man who is discus it had on my show they think it's fine. the women have issues. >> i have noticed that. women have issues. but it's true. they are really pissed off at him. >> you're not pissed? >> this is not any kind of a joke. i'm being serious, three television shows in the last three years and i've slept with a member of every single staff and i don't think one of them wouldn't say that it wasn't a pretty good damn time. >> how long is the extortion case going to go on with the other guy? could he have cash that had check for $2 million? >> i think he believed he could. that's the best part of the whole story. >> he seemed to be just in pain be

i think i have to go to the other female on the panel, lisa bloom. it's hard to know what it's like to be a woman, but to be a woman in this situation, to hear about all these alleged trysts and rumored affairs, how hard is it to be david letterman's wife tonight? >> that's got to be very difficult for her, and let's not forget about the other group that he apologized to today, his staff, because frankly, what goes on between david and his wife is their business, and i don't really care. but i do care about the workplace issues. i care about whether he put other employees in an awkward position by appearing to give favoritism to women he was having sex with, who were his subordinates. i think that's really the issue here. i mean, i have talked to people who were concerned that, for example, stephanie burkett was on the air week after week. everybody wants to be on the air and you get extra payment when you're on the air. >> you get famous, too. you get famous before you get infamous. i want to talk more about this issue of sexual harassment and discr

lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. dr. gale saults, clinical psychiatrist and professor of psychiatry at new york presbyterian hospital and drew petrimo. he's been tracking this case. give us the back story of this seemingly wealthy couple and what was happening in their lives before she wound up dead with a bullet to the head. >> they came to orlando from atlanta in 2007. bob ward started a real estate company called land resources, which really had a hand in real estate all over the country developing luxury townhouses and homes and developing neighborhoods. they made a lot of money. he was making the company pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars during its prime, but as a lot of business has happened during this economic downturn, business went south and they had legal problems with certain developments and their house here in orlando was foreclosed on so the economic tough times really took a toll on this man's business and apparently, his family as well. >> yeah. and among the hours of jailhouse tapes that have be

gloria allred is talking about it, her daughter, lisa bloom is saying it's about favoritism more than harassment. the other girls are not sleeping with them and they're not on tv getting actress scale. that's the real problem. >> i don't think gloria allred -- you want to talk about something. she turns the screws on people. it's an entirely different subject. she's bitter about the whole thing. >> interesting that the men -- practically every man who's discussed it on the show this week, they think it's fine. the women have issues. >> i have noticed that. women have issues. i don't have much of an issue. but it's true. they're pissed off at him. >> you're not are you? >> no. i want to know it's not a joke. i've been dead serious and honest. i have had three television shows and i've slept with the member of every single staff. >> how long is the extortion case going to go on with the other guy. i didn't know if he thought he could have cashed that check for $2 million? >> i think he believed he could. actually, that's the best part of the whole story. >> do you think so? he seemed to

lisa bloom, you and i have both had the experience of going to court early to cover a celebrity case. you get there early and i'm always astounded at how fast the public defenders are bing, bing, bing -- knocking one defendant after the other through a system, talking a language they don't understand, i can barely keep track and sentenced one after the other, and then the celebrity comes in and it's slow. >> that's very true, jane. and it's true for celebrities and true for anybody who has got money. unfortunately in our system if you've got money, not only get to hire the finest attorneys, but expert witnesses. and the public defenders are underpaid, overworked, fighting for justice for people who are poor, who nobody cares about. they're doing their best, but we don't give them enough money to put on much of a defense. did you know, jane, that the u.s. supreme court has said that it is not, not ineffective counsel if your attorney falls asleep at counsel table, if your attorney is drunk during trial, that's okay. that's okay if your attorney does that and if you're poor, that's the

>> yes, i am. >> lisa bloom.otion, how is that going to play into punishment? >> heidi is right. i know people who stopped everything they were doing and watched this and choked up for this child. richard henne who came up with such a thing. most of us would never imagine a fantasy where our child is in danger. that is the hoax he concocted. by the way, mike, i think the new information today that you have been talking about, about the prior criminal history of richard henne makes it likely he could face jail time. i have been saying in the past no, i don't see it. now we know he has a criminal history including violent crimes he could get some time behind bars. >> let's bring in stacy kaiser. on a conscience front, you think back, come on, henne. you were going to take a whole nation through this and all of the rescue personnel. isn't there something that kicks in where better judgment takes over? >> i think you hit the nail on the head. this guy does not have a conscience. that is part of what makes him psychol

lisa bloom, cnn legal analyst. wendy murphy, former prosecutor, author of "and justice for some" and professor at new england school of law. stacy kaiser, psycho therapist and the lone male on the panel, carlos diaz. i know you can handle us. >> i don't like my odds here. i'm not going to make any comments about sex in the workplace, okay? because i'm going to get killed on that. >> carlos, bring it. >> dude, dude. >> we're not going to put you on the spot, per se. we're going to put david letterman on the spot tonight. what is the latest? >> the latest is that you know, now you have another motive here, which could be revenge. we knew before that joe halderman had some financial difficulties, but now when you throw the revenge factor in there, it becomes more and more like a hollywood script every day, a jilted lover who not only wanted money but wanted to see dave burn and dave even said it when he made the admission last thursday, he said that, you know, this person who wants to extort money from me said to me y

. >>> let's bring in lisa bloom. good morning. >> good morning. >> do you think dave was smart to go public with this to go on the offensive and get out in front of this problem? >> absolutely. i think he had to do that making dwi. once this matter went in front of a grand jury there's at least a dozen citizens who are getting wind of the allegations. once it's in the district attorney's hand there's always the possibility of leaks. so he had to get out there first. he had to tell the story. he had to acknowledge his part in it. he had to acknowledge all of the allegations that he's making. i think he had to do what he did. >> explain the grand jury thing. why would they choose a grand jury versus a regular trial for this, lisa? >> well, a grand jury is generally a secret proceeding, everyone is sworn to keep all of the matters before the grand jury confidential. that doesn't necessarily always happen especially in a high profile case. but the district attorney puts all of the allegations, all of the evidence in fron

lisa bloom. also with us, cooper lawrence, psychologist and author of the book "the cult of celebrity." a lot of folks want to weigh in. your take on this, lisa, i'll start with you. you can make a pretty good argument, good move by letterman to, you know, go on the offensive, make fun of himself before someone else can take the first shot at him, right? >> yeah, absolutely. he did what he had to do, because once he went in front of the grand jury and testified yesterday, that's over a dozen citizens. once law enforcement's involved, there's always the potential for leaks. you've got to get out in front of the story. as a comedian he did it so artfully he had people laughing, makes himself the butt of the jokes right off the bat. who's going to make it worse for letterman? he's already come out swinging. i think a very effective job for a pr point of view. >> cooper, your take on this as you watch it unfold? not only last night, but beyond as people are talking about it today. >> it's so interesti

we also welcome back lisa bloom, legal analyst for our sister network cnn and attorney, as well. lisa, starting with you, what are you seeing motive-wise from jon gosselin. >> there is a money dispute between it him and tlc. he is taking a bold stand. i agree with you the show should be off the air. i don't agree with reality shows that exploit children having cameras in their home 24/7. he's now issued a statement thinking it's damaging for the kids and taking that position. hey, welcome to our camp, jon. we've been wanting you on this side a long time. belatedly but at least on our side now. >> let's hit on that real quick before your take on his motives. isn't -- this is the first time we've heard this it and it just so happens to come on the day his name's lopped off the show, right? simplsts timing is everything, mike. >> yeah. >> this is definitely certainly suspect times because, right, they name the show "kate plus eight" but the real motivation here, i think, is not necessarily money. i think it's jon wants to do something else. there have been rumors he wanted to do a sh

gail saltz, cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom, and comic and journalist, brian ballthatczar. that's quite a name. it's everything. lisa, they're now saying this is a hoax. are there going to be criminal charges filed or what? >> i think so. it is unusual the sheriff would come out and say that before they've been arrested and before any charges have been filed. but we're looking at felony, maybe misdemeanor charges, up to six years behind bars, potentially, if he's convicted. >> but don't you think, gail, that it's overkill at this point? should he go to jail? really. >> i think the issue is recouping the money and discouraging other people from doing something like this for the purposes of getting a reality show. but if you want to think about the kids' well-being, and ill hope everybody would be thinking of the kids' well-being first, you want to send a strong parents that this is illegal, it's not okay, and there will be repercussions. and the kids were dragged into the drama and they got the message, it is okay to break the law. >> i love that the kid flew up. it's so incr

gail saltz, cnn legal analyst, lisa bloom, and comic and journalist, brian ballthatczar. at a name. brian ballthatczar. that's quite a name. it's alliteration and everything. lisa, they're now saying this is a hoax. are there going to be criminal charges filed or what? >> i think so. it is unusual the sheriff would come out and say that before they've been arrested and before any charges have been filed. but we're looking at felony, maybe misdemeanor charges, up to six years behind bars, potentially, if he's convicted. >> but don't you think, gail, that it's overkill at this point? should he go to jail? really. >> i think the issue is recouping the money and discouraging other people from doing something like this for the purposes of getting a reality show. but if you want to think about the kids' well-being, and ill hope everybody would be thinking of the kids' well-being first, you want to send a strong message to the parents that this is illegal, it's not okay, and there will be repercussions. unfortunately, the kids were dragged the drama and they got the message, it i

joining us los angeles, lisa bloom. a couple of interesting things that we have definitely been talking about. the fact that he met with the attorney and also went to deposit a $2 million check from someone who would investigate these kinds of crimes. it seems that this would be kind of out of character for someone who would look at those things in a story. >> exactly. it's almost halfable. those of us who cover crime stories for a living often joke that we know how to commit the perfect crime. well if these allegations are true this defendant was way off base. and especially by asking for a check with his name on it that he then went and deposited? certainly cash might have been a better idea. an investigation great difference journalist goes for meetings lawyers apdoesn't think about the possibility that he might get taped? it's really astounding if these allegations are true how weak this extortion attempt really was. >> his attorney we should points out came out yesterday and said look there is so much more to this

. >> they are talking about gloria alred is talking about it and her daughter, lisa bloom, one of them is saying about favoritism more than harassment because the other girls are not sleeping him with and on tv getting after-scale. that's the problem. >> i don't think gloria alred, if you are going to talk to somebody, she actually turns the screws on people, an entirely different subject. she's just bitter about the whole thing. >> it is interesting the men, practically ever man who discussed it on my show this week they think it is just fine. the women have issues. >> i have noticed that women have issued and i don't have that much of an issue with it but they are really pissed off at him. >> but you're not pissed, are you? >> this is not a joke i'm being dead serious and honest with you i've had three television shows in the last several years and i've slept with a member of every single staff and i don't think one of them wouldn't say it was a pretty good damn time. >> how long is the extortion case going on with this other guy. could he have cashed that check for $2 million? >> i

. >> they're talking about it gloria allred is talking about it, and her daughter lisa bloom, sayingt's favoritism rather than harassment. the other girls are not sleeping with him and not on tv. that's the real problem. >> i think gloria allred turns the screws on people. that's an entirely different subject. she's just bitter about the whole thing. >> practically every man disgusted on my show this week, they think it's just fine. >> but the women have the issues. i don't have that much of an issue with it but they're really pissed off at him. >> but you're not pissed right? >> i'm being dead serious and honest with you. i've had three television shows in the last few years and i have slept with every member of every single staff and not one of them has said it wasn't a pretty damn good time. >> could he cash that check for $2 million? >> he believed he could. actually, that's the best part of the whole story. >> he seemed to be in pain because the girlfriend was cheating on him and everything. >> with letterman. >> isn't this guy though, a railroadsed producer of a respected news

two of my favorite guests joining us to talk about this, lisa bloom legal analyst for cnn joining us. also cooper lawrence psychologist and author of the book "the cult of celebrity." a lot of folks want to weigh in. you two first. lisa, you could make a pretty good argument, good move by letterman to go on the offensive and kind of make fun of himself before someone else can take the first shot. right? >> yeah, absolutely. he did what he had to do because once he went in front of the grand jury and testified yesterday, that's over a dozen citizens and once law enforcement is involved it's always the potential for leaks so you got to get out in front of the story. as a comedian he did it so artfully he had people laughing. he makes himself the butt of the jokes right off the bat. i mean, who can top that? who's going to make it worse for letterman? he's already come out swinging and i think has done a very effective job from a pr point of view. >> cooper, your take on this as you watch it unfold not only last night but even beyond as people are talking about it today? >> it's so inter