. >> lois lerner got away with it, took the fifth, and pagliano is going to do the same thing. he's a low level guy, a tech guy, not an editorial guy. but he did see things or he wouldn't be taking the fifth, correct? >> absolutely. >> had to. >> he's got a lot of inside information. but the setup of that server, who was involved, who signed off on it, what kind of additional security provisions were put into place because one of the questions we're hearing increasingly is whether there was some kind of compromise by an intelligence service or hackers. there are reports that goose fer wants to sale the e-mails. he doesn't have a lot of cover with the clintons, necessarily. >> now, what is the committee trying to get rosen in the big picture of benghazi. it's gone on years and year and years now. how do you see the big picture. >> we should point out the clinton campaign encouraged brine pagliano to testify freely. i want to encourage you to step back and see this in broader terms. with bryan pagliano pleading the fifth, the story of mrs. clinton and her server takes on another

on may 10, 2013, lois lerner jumped in front of the story so that she can spin it her way. at a staged event, a bar association speech in town, a planted question from one of her friends, she lies. she says it wasn't me, it was in washington, it was those agents in cincinnati. right from the get-go she lies. 12 days later, she comes in front of the oversight committee and takes the fifth. when you have a central figure lying and taking the fifth, it's sort of puts a premium on getting all the document, all of the coming vacation, all of the e-mails, the entire record. the irs with a preservation order in place and all of the doctrine. we issue a subpoena, give us all the document. with a preservation order and a subpoena in place, the irs destroys 422 backup tapes. three weeks later, the commissioner at the irs comes in front of our committee, repeatedly asked if he would give us all of the e-mails, he repeatedly says yes i will. it is a blatant and total lie because you cannot give us your e-mails if you have destroyed 24,000. you think about the duties he had. he had the

>> reporter: a short time ago, kr carly fiorina tweeted this "lois lerner goes on paid administrative leave from the irs but kentucky clerk kim davis goes to jail? the only deputy clerk who is refusing is kim davis's son. he will not be fined or jailed because the other deputy clerks will perform the function. but bret, kim davis will remain behind bars. >> shannon, thank you. >>> stocks were mixed ahead of tomorrow's august jobs report. the dow gained 23 today. the s&p 500 was up 2. the nasdaq fell 16.5. almost 12,000 students are asking the federal government to erase their college loan debt. the spike in what's called the borrower's defense follows the collapse of a for profit chain called corinthian colleges that had become the symbol of fraud in the world of higher education. also today, a report says a majority of students taking the sat college entrance exam are not ready for college-level work or career training programs. >>> we're still waiting to go hear whether vice president joe biden is going to chase after the top job. biden was in florida today to push his boss's legacy

lois lerner. gerri willis is all over this.this one. >> tax analysts suing irs. they want more information about the bonuses, some details back in june 30th 2013 and conservative scripts were targeted get out some $70 million in bonuses. jessica $42,000. ashley: lois lerner. what is that based on? >> you think it would be based on performance. now she's doing something perfectly illegal. the president likes to say we did nothing wrong. not true. i may reach you a quick quote from the tax analysts president. and they understand the need to embrace transparency before it becomes a shell of its south. and they must come to an end to get the funding and must become more accountable. ashley: -- so there's more details to come out? >> first there was a foia request. that didn't bring any information, so then they filed a lawsuit. that hasn't done anything either. they sit around a table talking, trying to extract information and we see time and time again the irs does not like responding. >> we love you holding their feet to the fire

that being said he is no lois lerner. she could be prosecuted. there is no expectation of him being prosecuted >> why do people plead the fifth? >> they are afraid of down the road. what if down the road he doesn't plead the fifth and hillary and her campaign say he didn't know about the server, he is the one that deleted that so if the e-mails were deleted it is his fault. he established the server before any e-mails were sent. it was a new server. so there is not a lot of likelihood he was involved in that. he might have been involved in deletion at her instructions or other person's instructions he is an accomplice. >> he said he could be a target. he was a state department employee and knowledgeable of the allegations they had to keep these e-mails secret. he installed the server and would know what the server was going to be used for. >> that is a real possibility. i said it sun -- it is unlikely he is a target. >> that is part of the criminal conspiracy was he was paid knowing that. >> you would have to show he was paid to setup the server

we have the kwwoman that was handling at the irs getting rid of lois lerner's e-mails that disappearedwe have catherine duvall who has move today the state department where she's in charge of the bull crap we're getting on hillary. and by the way, the single greatest cover up since watergate is occurring at the state department. why? because guess who was running the state department? hillary clinton. and by the way, there are four e-mails that we know of because fox got them. that were marked classified going to her and they have been wiped clean. they're deliberate we can't give them to you. the fbi, she is going down on this. i'm going to say the interview crap this week -- i'm going to shut up. >> she did an interview on friday and she said we had so many problems around the word i didn't stop to think about what kind of e-mail system it would be. she hired the it guy who is pleading the fifth. asserting his rights. is that something -- >> i think she was thinking. i think this was deliberately done to hide what they were doing for years on thecli clint foundation. that's what's be

for heaven's sake lois lerner should have been thrown in jail, not kim davis.nd it's clear that religious freedom is under assault in this country, which is why we have to put so much energy around protecting religious freedom. nevertheless, i think she crosses a line when she prevents others in the court from issuing these licenses. but she clearly should have received an accommodation and let's hope that's what happens. >> do object to her saying, look, you can't even do it if my name is on the certificate because that's what got her thrown in jail. >> i do think it's a very fine line here. i mean i understand governor huckabee's point that she was elected under a kentucky law that was voted in, and i understand how objectionable people find this supreme court ruling. i do as well. they clearly reached into thin air for this justice occasion of what they wanted the law to be, not what the law is. on the other hand as conservatives, we believe that it is someone's duty to uphold the law as it is, not as we would like for it to be. we ask judges to do that, we

carly fiorina tweeted, lois lerner goes on paid administrative lead on irs but kentucky clerk kim davis goes to jail? that is the big story. she basically, was fine with same-sex couples but didn't want to issue the legal marriage certificates. she can't be fired. she has to be impeached. >> exactly. because she is obviously a government employee. the nfl wasting no time appealing a judge's decision lifting the leagues four-game "deflategate" suspension of new england patriots quarterback tom brady. the judge's ruling means brady starts the season on the field while an appeal court considers the case. brady's attorney says his client just wants to get back to playing football next week. >> tom is just delighted to the back on the field. from the beginning, he frankly has been a victim in all of this. and all he has wanted to do is get bark to focus on his team, on his fans, and on what he does best and he is delighted to have that opportunity now. >> all right. a lot of people will be watching that game next week. the judge's ruling chastised the nfl for its handling of the scandal that

what about lois lerner? what about president obama?administration speaks out of both sides of their mouth. >> same people like mike huckabee i think is about nice guy, scream about sharia laws, she is are exact same people have no problem with what she is doing. imposing her religious beliefs. what is probably against her religious believes, somebody not christian marrying a muslim. somebody not christian marrying somebody jewish. >> or stay-at-home mom. >> are you she not the not giving out people who are not same religious beliefs. there is remedy. chris christie should know this. the remedy dagen proposed. take a hike. resign. do something else for a living. >> that is something the governor kind of suggested. >> we are a nation of laws. there is the rule of law. i'm sorry -- >> we have freedom of religion too. welcome to take the pulpit. >> it is not theocracy. it is just not. >> some people compare this to baker being forced to make a cake. completely opposite from that. i, you know, i would support a baker's right not to make a c

i wanted to get an update on that and specifically what is going to happen to lois lerner of the house- they held her in contempt. edc prosecutor who has since step down did not bring charges. could they vote against her again? guest: we could, maybe we should, but will you what we are mostly looking at is the current commissioner who breached every single duty he had. they allowed 400 and 20 back up cases to be destroyed containing 24,000 e-mails. it is important for the viewers to understand the timeline. remember how this started. on may 10, the inspector general had already told the irs and treasury there was targeting going on. lerner10, 2013, lois jumped in front of the story so that she can spin it her way. at a stage event, a bar association speech in town, a pointed question from one of her .riends, she lies she says it wasn't me, it was in washington, it was those agents in cincinnati. right from the get-go she lies. 12 days later, she comes in front of the oversight committee and takes the fifth. when you have a central figure lying and taking the fifth, it's sort of puts a

up to the select committee after state department lawyer, catherine duvall connected to the irs lois lerneras the law firm representing mrs. clinton left the state department. >> they gave us on friday over one thousand pages of her emails they had never before given us. in fact it was a larger amount of emails that they gave us friday than what they gave us earlier in the year when they claimed to give us everything. >> reporter: duvall's job at the state department got new scrutiny after recent fox news report that classification markings on some of the emails had been changed in her office so neither congress or the public could ultimately see them, bill. bill: what are you learning about the fbi investigation? >> reporter: this is very significant development. congressional source confirms to fox news that fbi director james comey has been briefing lawmakers and confirmed to them that the bureau is being a tiffly investigating whether mrs. clinton's server was breached by foreign entity. so far they have no evidence to indicate that it happened. the source said comey confirmed, he had t

lois lerner, she retired -- she resigned with her retirement in tact.ven a smidgeon of evidence of corruption. so today i'm not here to talk to obama administration because i'm guessing he doesn't care what we think. he's not listening to us. so i figure we need to talk straight to iran. because our president doesn't think that we are in a religious war. he doesn't think this is a religious fight. he may not even believe in the god of israel. but we know iran believes in the god of israel. that is why they hate them so much. they know it as a miracle against miracle that israel was defeated and scattered to the wind and has now reconstituted herself back on her land, promised by her god. that is what makes you mad. [ applause ] you know iran, the promise of abraham, you know the strength given to moses and the steadfastness given to ruth. obama is leading you on a path of weaponization that will not prosper. trust us. nothing he touches prospers. ax the house in 2008 when he controlled it and lost it in 2010. ask the senate when he controlled it in 2012

lois lerner well in her own way corrupt freedom of speech by not allowing people to exercise it.otected by a gigantic organization and she is protected by the president. it is how powerful you are that matters. i think she is not powerful. she is more powerful now because she is in the news but we cannot start throwing everyone in jail for that. reaction on twitter. "americans get rights with marriage in america denying some of those constitutional rights is wrong and she's being is respectful and bigoted." mary says you can live the life you want an america but not make others live the life you want an america. believe -- ii don't believe we should pass federal religious freedom loss. guest: i think for the first week that we don't have the right to live the rate -- the way we want take he. i think it is problematic. we do have religious freedom but sometimes we kneeled -- need to nail the point home and explain exactly how laws interact with each other. i think that is an problematic. host: lauren in alexandria. caller: good morning. where are the people's rights that are again