bring in dan lothian for more. issa is going after the white house again. what is this about? >> reporter: he is going after the white house again. he is especially concerned that by the admission that some white house staffers have used their private e-mail accounts for official business. and that that has happened often. so he sends a letter to the white house chief of staff, jack lew, requesting the names of white house staffers that used private e-mails this way, also requesting copies of those e-mails. he is arguing that when it comes to transparency, the american people have a right to know, and in the letter, he is citing comments made by stephanie cutter, the president's deputy campaign manager, used to work here at the white house, she made her comments during an interview here on "the situation room" on wednesday. >> you worked at the white house. was this a common practice? did you all sort of integrate

and then risk/reward, ron brown, and cnn's dan lothian. i'm candy crowley. this is "state of the union." >>> the campaign trail is most often a series of mind-numbing days interrupted by the ones that you will never forget, and the days when you know that one way or another, something has changed, and saturday was one of those days for mitt romney. >> what works here, and what works around the world is free people pursuing their dreams. we want those dreamers here. we can accomplish our dreams. >> because as much as voters learned about paul ryan yesterday, they may have learned more about romney first and foremost that this most cautious of candidates will take a big risk for the potential of a big payoff. at first blush this much could be said for the ryan pick, it appears to have brought home conservatives. joining fouser a conversation of that and more i john thune, s senator from south dakota, and that is the first question that we have seen is some hesitation, and some skepticism or whatever you want to call it by conservatives who by the way very publ

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we want to bring in our white house correspondent, dan lothian. so sounds like kind of a wash, politically, dan. >> it does. and what the president is trying to do is highlight the positive, as you pointed out. yes, the unemployment rate did tick up to 8.3%, but what they're focused on is the fact that jobs were created, more jobs than expected. the experts out there, economists had expected that some 95,000 jobs would have been created last month, but as you pointed out, that number jumped to 163,000 jobs. that's still not enough to essentially make up for all the jobs lost. but the president focusing on the gains that have been made, talking about how the over last 28 months, more than 4 million jobs have been created. more than a million, he said, so far this year. but the president also telling americans that there's still a long way to go. >> let's acknowledge, we've still got too many folks out there who are looking for work. we've got more work to do on their behalf. not only to reclaim all the jobs that were lost during the recession, but

here's cnn white house correspondent, dan lothian. dan, take us into the week ahead. >> reporter: well, that's right. the president will be heading out to nevada. that's an important state for the president. he has been going there quite a bit, talking about what he has done to help those homeowners who have their, those mortgages that are underwater. those upsidedown mortgages. that is a state that has been impacted by the downturn in the real estate market. so the president visiting that key state. also going to the state of ohio. that's a place where recently he had that bus tour. had been spending a lot of time in that state. he's ahead in the polls there, but both of these states, critical to deciding who wins the white house. and the president also going to new york. new york city, as you know, a lot of money there. so he'll be going to collect some campaign cash to fuel this very competitive race, john. >> new york, more of an atm than a swing state, at the moment for the campaign. how do they view this? mitt romney will domina

dan lothian for us in winter park, florida.lso mentioned, mitt romney today in colorado. he spoke actually for a moment before giving his speech, talking about that aurora movie theater shooting, where that gunman killed some 12 people, wounded dozens more. take a listen to what he said. >> her name is mikalah hicks. you don't know mikalah, but she was involved in that terrible shooting in aurora. she was hit by a bullet. she was in the theater next door to the most terrible one, and the bullet went into her mouth and took out some teeth and part of her jaw, but she is here and doing well. i guess maybe by applause, we show how united we are with the tragedy of those people, how much we love them, how much we care for them. >> i want to bring in peter hamby. he is on the phone, talking to me here from colorado. an obvious spot for applause for mitt romney, talking about that young woman and the victims there from aurora. but when he then began talking politics and hitting obama, talking about that report card, how was the appla

here's cnn white house correspondent dan lothian. dan, take us into the week ahead. >> reporter: that's right. the president will be heading out to nevada. that's an important state for the president. he's been going there quite a bit, talking about what he's done to help homeowners who have mortgages that are under water, the upside down mortgages. that's a state that's been impacted by the -- the downturn in the real estate market. so the president visiting that key state. also going to the state of ohio. that's a place where recently he had that bus tour. has been spending a lot of nightmare that state. he's ahead in the polls there, but both of these state critical to deciding who wins the white house. of course the president also going to new yk. new york city, as you know, a lot of money there. he'll be going to collect campaign cash to fuel this very competitive race. >> new york more of an atm than a swing state. dan, how do they view this in the obama campaign -- they understand the ebb and flow of campaigns. mitt romney wil

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dan lothian has more for us. >> reporter: democrats want to know more about romney's personal finances. they have been hitting him on news shows and political ads. now, the obama campaign says they will stop asking questions if he releases three more years of tax returns. it's the political version of let's make a deal. if he releases tax returns the obama campaign will stop ads like this one. did he pay 5%, 10%, zero? we don't know. >> reporter: the letter came from an election campaign manager. governor romney apparently fears the more he offers the more our campaign will demand he provide. i'm prepared to provide assurances on that point. if the governor will release five years in taxes, we will not criticize him for not releasing more. romney has been under pressure from democrats to be more transparent on taxes after he insisted on releasing two years of returns. some republicans urged him to do more to make the issue go away. he counters his personal taxes are not what voters care about. >> given the challenges america faces, 23 million people out of work, iran about to become nu

here is dan lothian. >> reporter: faced with another tragic act of violence, this time in wisconsin, think all of us recognize that these kinds of terrible tragic events are happening with too much regularity for us not to do some soul searching and to examine additional ways that we can reduce violence. >> reporter: but he has delivered similar remarks before. most recently at the national urban league convention in new orleans in the wake of the colorado massacre. >> we should leave no stone unturned and recognize that we have no greater mission as a country than keeping our young people safe. >> reporter: stopping gun violence has been an elusive target but mayor michael bloomberg, a loud voice on the issue, says there has been a deafening silence from the president and his challenger mitt romney on gun control. >> the two presidential candidates cannot continue to avoid an issue that is one of the most serious threats we face as a nation and for our security. >> reporter: press repeatedly on the president's plans, white house spokesman djay carney. repeated the president would su

joe. >> thanks so much at the white house, dan lothian. i want to remind our viewers right now paul ryan is actually speaking in northern virginia. we're going to go to him in just a second. i think we're listening to thank yous there at the very top of his speech. we can talk a little bit more about the presidential race until he gets to the meat of that. paul ryan as well. with me right now is john king. you've been out. you've seen ryan before. and i think we have to work off of -- >> the meat as you say, i just e-mailed with a senior romney advisor and he said this, it's stopped hurting. he didn't say it wasn't hurting at all. it may have moved some voters, but it stopped moving. just before i came out i got an e-mail from the veteran democratic pollster. this is 12 suburban women in wisconsin, a key swing state we call toss up right after the paul ryan pick. there's an issue which he says among some of these women created a sense of suspicion and doubt. for most of these women the question is what is he hiding? is he not forthcoming?

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could be different but anyway really quick before we go i just have a minute i just have to ask ben lothian is the regulator we keep hearing about now he's a buddy of yours from the office you said so in your book i know that you said that you think better of regulators are going after him for doing his job and making them look stupid but do you think we could see more of this coming out of the new york prosecutor's office going after banks and executives at big banks or high profile crimes despite whatever the federal regulators are doing what do you think prediction. but look i think i think at last you put out a marker and you know again they have a limited ability as new york state banking authority they don't have criminal jurisdiction but i think he's got to get tough and do what he can what he can and his very limited perch outside of that unfortunately i haven't seen much movement and that is a depressing reality but one that is so important to keep talking about with people who understand it and know like you so thank you so much neil barofsky it is a pleasure i could have asked yo

yet, dan lothian is at the white house.e plane with the president who joins us live now. these polls who are creating them by people, and lot of news organizations show how close the race is and it is 90 days out. how important are independent voters going to be come november? >> well, i think they th independent voters are very important for mitt romney. we are talking about a small slice of the electorate, because as we look back over history, the independent voters, the bulk of them usually lean one way or another to the right or the left. so a small group of people that both sides are really going after, and clearly, they believe that many of them are the middle-class voters that you have heard the president talk so much about when he is laying out the tax policies and making that contrast with mitt romney. so they are spending a lot of time in the battleground states and a lot of money on television ads targeting those independent voter voters that they believe to be key to the campaigns come november. >> okay. all rig

. >> i'm dan lothian at the white house.s week, president obama heads back out on the campaign trail flying west of nevada, a state that has been hit hard by the mortgage crisis. he'll also visit the state of ohio, a key battleground state where he currently leads in the poll. both of these states could decide who wins the white house. then the president heads to new york city, a fundraiser to raise much-needed campaign cash. >> i'm paul steinhauser on the campaign trail in florida. after campaigning separately for week, mitt romney and paul ryan reunite. they team up tomorrow for a big rally in new hampshire, a crucial battleground state. later in the week, both men held a lot of fundraisers in this crucial last week leading up to e republican national convention in tampa. >>> we have a packed week ahead full of economic news. first off, though, wall street will be watching for key corporate earnings. we'll hear from dell, hewlett-packard, lowes, and barnes and noble. we'll get the final minute, shedding light on where we s

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dan lothian for us in iowa, thanks so much. we'll keep an eye on that. >>> well, divide and conquer. that might be the plan for the two republican men who hope to become president and vice president. candidate mitt romney is spending the day in the key battleground state of ohio while his running mate congressman paul ryan starts in colorado lfr heading to las vegas. mark preston joining us now. and mark, why splitting up the two candidates? are they simply trying to cover more ground? >> yeah. no question about that. trying to cover more ground, campaigning, rallying support for the candidacies to november and raising money. we'll see paul ryan raising money out in nevada later today. you know, we heard mitt romney and paul ryan both say this in the past couple of days, no longer two on one, meaning joe biden and back brahm against mitt romney. that's two on two in paul ryan and splitting off and campaigning by himself for at least the time being. >> coming as much ground as you can. congressman paul ryan, the budget plan fron

. >> and white house correspondent dan lothian is at the white house. joining us now. dan, what's with the timing of this matter? last week, the dnc ennidorsing marriage. are they related in any way? >> all of these announcements really play to the president's base. and you remember just back in may the president finally sort of evolved on this issue of gay marriage coming out in support of gay marriage saying that everyone should be treated fairly. and as you pointed out, it now seems likely that gay marriage will be part of the democrats platform in the upcoming convention. so again, this is something that plays to the president's base. and that's at least for democrats and for the president critical in this very, very tight race. but as you pointed out, you know, the boy scouts have been debating this issue for the last couple of years. but only yesterday did the president come out on this issue. while he was out in colorado campaigning, and actually the announcement was made in statement form by a white house official saying that the president opposes discriminatio

. >> reporter: i'm dan lothian at the white house. the president heads back on the campaign trail. also visit the state of ohio, a key battleground state where he currently leads in the poll. both states could decide who wins the white house. then a fundraiser to raise much-needed campaign cash. sglrchlgts i'm paul stein houser on the campaign trail. mitt romney and paul ryan team up for a rally in new hampshire. both held a lot of fundraisers. >>> i'm poppy harlow in new york. we have a packed week ahead full of economic news. first wall street will be watching for key corporate earnings. we'll hear from del, dell, hp and barnes and noble. then details released on the fed's meeting. >>> and new home sales reports. we'll be rooking for any science of continued recovery. then we wrap up with the durable goods numbers. we'll keep an eye on it for you on cnn money. >>> i'm nischelle turner. here's what we're watching this week. the one-year anniversary of kim kardashian's wedding bonanza. we look back at the 76-day marriage. plus as you pack away summer gear, we're counting down the m

i want to bring in our white house correspondent dan lothian. dan, what did the vice president say he really meant by that comment that romney was going to "keep them in chains?" >> reporter: well, what the vice president was trying to make here was that he was trying to show that mitt romney's plans on wall street reform would be bad for americans. mitt romney in the past has expressed opposition to the so-called dodd frank bill. he has since clarified that. but that's the point that the vice president was trying to make. that in and of itself would not have been bad, but critics are jumping on the words he used, those racially-charged words as some republicans are saying making that connection between this -- the comments, the chains, and slavery. and on the internet and otherwise the republicans are really asking the obama campaign to really back away from these comments again saying it was simply over the line. >> so far as you know, dan, the white house is not backing away from that comment. they released a statement. >> reporter: that's ri

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our cnn white house correspondent, dan lothian, is traveling with the president.tty much could take up citizenship in ohio at this point. >> reporter: that's right. he really could. he was right here in akron almost a month ago. it was part of his bus tour. and since he announced his re-election bid last spring, the president has been to this state about a dozen or so times. this is really a crucial state not only for the president but also for mitt romney. and today the president was going after his opponent on his tax plan saying they would be bad for the middle class. but the president also came under fire on tw

. >> i'm dan lothian of the white house.obama heads back out on the campaign trail, flying west of nevada, a state hit hard by the mortgage crisis. he'll also visit the state of ohio, a key battleground state where he currently leads in the poll. both of these states could decide who wins the white house. then the president heads to new york city, a fund-raiser to raise much needed campaign cash. >> i'm paul steinhauser on the campaign trail in florida. after going separately a week, mitt romney and paul ryan team up tomorrow in new hampshire, a crucial battleground state. later in the week, both men held a lot of fund raisers in this crucial week leading up to the national republican convention in tampa. >> can we learn anything from how wet animals dry themselves or is it an excuse to video dogs in slow motion? you decide. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: it may not be research that's earth shaking but it's definitely dog shaking and pig shaking and even rat shaking. most of us try to avoid getting showered by the dog shak

here is dan lothian. >>> the president will be heading out to nevada. that's an important state for the president. he has gone there talking about what he has been doing to help the homeowners that have the upside down mortgages. that is a state that has been impacted by the downturn in the real estate market. the president visiting that key state and going to the state of ohio. that's a place where recently he had that bus tour, has been spending a lot of time in the state. he is ahead in the polls. both states critical to deciding who wins the white house. of course, the president also going to new york. new york city, as you know, a lot of money there. he will be going to collect some campaign cash to fuel this competitive race. >> new york more of an atm than a swing state. how do they view this in the obama campaign? they understand the ebb and flow of campaigns. mitt romney will dominate an get most of the spotlight. how do they decide in the obama campaign when to engage and when to step back and let the republicans have their day? >> right now,

police say 30-year-old jacqueline renay of lothian, maryland, got into a cab at a largo metro stationnd road to bowery friday afternoon. she then demanded money from the cab by and started dousing the cab by with a flammable liquid. went to light the liquid, set himself on fire, later died. the cab driver escaped with minor injuries. >>> new this morning, we're learning about a fight between, then shooting between a man and prince george's county police. officers were called to the 5100 block of woodland boulevard in oxon hill around 10:00 last night. once officer ars rooirived they a man covered in blood. he fought with officer when they tried to help him. they tasered him to get him under control but that only made him angrier. he threatened their life. one officer shot the man. he was taken to the hospital with nonlife threating injuries. police believe he was high on pcp at the time. the two officers suffered minor injuries. >>> ice cold. no mistakes. wears you down. you get bored, frustrated. do something stupid, it's got you. >> this morning the entertainment world mourning the

thanks so much, dan lothian at the white house. >> reporter: okay. >> we want to talk more about jobs and the presidential race with our chief political analyst, gloria borger. gloria, i look at these numbers and listen to the analysis, here's what i hear. pretty much what i've heard for the past many months. the economy's creating jobs, but not enough jobs. >> exactly. >> does anything change in the political cdynamic? >> as we've seen from recent polls, americans are getting set on the fact they're pessimistic about the way the economy is going. this chart shows you if you look at the job numbers, the job creation numbers for the past half year, go back to january, things were going pretty well. and look at that trend line, up until july. so you see that over the last seven months, things have been heading in the wrong direction. and the american public, it's beginning to kind of sink in, and that's really a problem for the president, because the public is so pessimistic. >> and let me ask you, when both of these politically, these guys, are both mr. fix-it, i'm going to fix it or i

we want to bring in our white house correspondent, dan lothian.sh, politically, dan. >> it does. and what the president is trying to do is highlight the positive, as you pointed out. yes, the unemployment rate did tick up to 8.3%, but what they're focused on is the fact that jobs were created, more jobs than expected. the experts out there, economists had expected that some 95,000 jobs would have been created last month, but as you pointed out, that number jumped to 163,000 jobs. that's still not enough to essentially make up for all the jobs lost. but the president focusing on the gains that have been

and then risk/reward, ron brown, and cnn's dan lothian. i'm candy crowley.." >>> the campaign trail is most often a series of mind-numbing days interrupted by the ones that you will never forget, and the days when you know that one way or another, something has changed, and saturday was one of those days for mitt romney. >> what works here, and what works around the world is free people pursuing their dreams. we want those dreamers here. we can accomplish our dreams. >> because as much as voters learned about paul ryan yesterday, they may have learned more about romney first and foremost that this most cautious of candidates will take a big risk for the potential of a big payoff. at first blush this much could be said for the ryan pick, it appears to have brought home conservatives. joining fouser a conversation of that and more is john thune, n senator from south dakota, and that is the first question that we have seen is some hesitation, and some skepticism or whatever you want to call it by conservatives who by the way very publicly pushed for paul ryan t

dan lothian standing by live with an update as well. can you hear me? >> reporter: yes, i can. president obama was informed of this shooting, i'm told by white house officials shortly after 9:30 this morning by his homeland security adviser john brennan. white house officials saying the president will continue to receive update s throughout the day on the situation there. i want to go back to something you were talking about just a few minutes ago, this issue of gun violence and gun control has been hotly debated but into sharper focus in the wake of some high profile shootings and the president himself weighed in on this issue last month, while addressing the national urban league convention in new orleans, he pointed out that his administration had made some progress in beefing up background checks and having more coordination with mayors, but did address this issue by saying that he needed to have discussions with members of congress, community leaders, religious leaders, to look at how they can properly address the issue of gun violence, while at the same time protecting se