lou komen with innovation games joins us now. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >>> very cool process how this goes. explain to the viewers the process. this is a day-long event. >> yeah, it's a day-long event, and what we did, we worked with the city to create two forms of possible proposals. one, with a set of items that citizens could purchase and to get the money, there was a set of proposals that citizens could cut in terms of cost savings, or they could enact new taxes. what we were studying through the citizen engagement is would citizens enact new taxes and would citizens make cuts? and if they did that, would they then spend that money on different budget items? >>> so basically they are being put into the politician's shoes so they see how difficult the decisions are. >> absolutely. and like politicians, they are not working solo. there are websites that say give us your ideas on the budget, because they are too easy because you don't have to have any conversations. when you're sitting with citizens,