for the cia mind control project known as m.k. ultra the new book boys are in chief by former new york times foreign correspondent stephen kinzer sheds light on m.k. ultra and the man behind it sidney gottlieb he joins me now from cape cod in massachusetts stephen welcome to going underground before we even get to this amazing book your reaction to this $40000000000.00 pentagon money appearing to go into the next coronavirus relief package apparently your country needs you have $35.00 b.'s of a junior class attack submarine whatever that is and some kind of directed energy weaponry to target china there seems to be no aspect of public policy including how care in the united. doesn't become somehow the property are. it's true that in the bill or so. you were corona virus we find all these military programs the horrors. talked about you know they were justified. i i this concept that everybody seem to share you know that the world the freedom loving people that everywhere they see an imminent threat there was so dangerous how horrific in

support could only be explained by mind altering drugs so i was working through the of this project m.k. ultra the cia mind control project the center of my book one of the questions that kept emerging in my mind was what led rees people in the early cia to believe that mind control was real why did they spend 10 years destroying so many lives in the effort to try to find a way to destroy human minds and number and place it there. i think there are 2 reasons one of them has to do with cultural conditioning they have all the books in the movie sherlock holmes story the end around post story about mind control and you know that i think subconsciously a lot of these people that generation the generation that ran the early cia were affected by the other and began to lose the order between fiction and reality but then there were a couple of specific episode. that felt sort of as not at all ready for allies soil was the one you mention in which. american prisoners of war returning from korea after the end of the war or in many cases to assign statements criticizing aspects of life in the and i ate s

m.k. ultra. seemed kids are all stop you there more about and gail join the boys are in chief after this break plus on faith in the heights despite black lives matter protests over alleged murders by u.s. security forces are the next to feel the force of u.s. no one force meant a 1000000 overseas students we'll tell you how you might escape the clutches of the immigration and customs enforcement agency has plans for mass deportations begin all this of all coming up in part 2 of going underground. on my one using my. brain to validate time about what members of us i mean time that we're in a sentence of on lot more and i'm. hopeful. one with more than the side of obama. seen the following to him but i'm before but a cop out of them but i've. been out by now on body i'm now move on. move. aha no team no crowd. no shots no. action just about speak. well it's true no small. point should your thirst for action. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to heal some air force base in ala

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u.s. a so-called poison or in chief the gottlieb around the cia's top secret mind control program m.k. ultra which arguably sowed the seeds of today's clandestine operations or around the world and they're all overseas students in the usa about to be deported because of coronavirus through no fault of their own we reveal a loophole that could save students from the violence of the united states immigration and customs enforcement agency accused of multiple abuses at the u.n. claims made violates international law all the civil coming up in today's going underground but 1st the pharmaceutical giants today race to be the 1st to peyton de corona virus vaccine subsidized by the taxpayers of superpowers back in the so-called cold war the united states was paying big drug companies for a very different reason to me.

come across but people with very very low levels of it will reject conspiracies that are true like m.k. ultra so being at the extremes isn't very good it's much better to be somewhere in the middle where you're willing to consider these ideas but perhaps wait until there's better evidence that jared is there some need to believe a conspiracy for societies to congeal and work. you know there's a lot of ancient thought in this idea we go back to the idea of the noble law which is of course this idea that we have to talk about our nations and who we are and sort of you know our own mythologies about how society works and this is going on the organizing principles for a very long time but you also take a look and i. just mention in terms of saying that choice a lot of this conspiracy theory mongering comes from a place where people feel as if they're shut out from politics and places of power and as a result they start working up these new mythologies to explain why they're shut out and particularly what people of power are doing and so a lot of times you see these conspiracy theories and conspir