maybe post corona more people wanted an indestructible car that mad max would be happy to take in the battle. but even if we don't end up facing a fury road style apocalyptic world it's not hard to believe that now more than ever s.u.v.s will gain in popularity cars that are built to last heavy duty indestructible. cars that give us maximum protection when we venture into the outside world. the last survivors out there. of course if we're going to be seeking more refuge in cars the interior will be even more important in the future when you get into your car you want to have the perfect conditions right. i wanted to talk to a specialist on the future of automotive design professor paolo to manelli normally works in cologne germany but he got stuck in lockdown in italy. i designs on the one hand the car is being rediscovered as a means of freedom. i can really only gets around with my car designs on the other hand cars are becoming a safe place i think the idea of automotive protection but it's a 911 in america 911 in the air off of the twin towers fell. sales of s.u.v.s increased by 3

it would lead to chaos, it would be like a really bad mad max movie. >> laura: a number of people areolding up camden, new jersey, as an example of how police reform can work. but there's just one problem, camden actually created a much bigger police force and according to this 2017 book on policing, has the highest police presence of any larger size city in the country. they just kind of -- the kind of melted their old police force into a larger police force and still the violent crime is very high there. >> i read up on camden because i heard that as well. you know, i would say that's a good example of sort of privatizing security and then you get more and more security and what you get, get a glorified mall cop. observe and report, you can't prevent crime, you can't step in and investigate crime, you can just observe crime and report it and record it basically. they try to -- they would try to tell you that having someone, any kind of security would be a deterrent. that's not a deterrent when you know what's -- that it's nothing but a big bluff. >> laura: when they say by the way,

those individuals in the phone conversation, that's what were facing with, looking at a world that's mad max and its pandemonium and people that will suffer the most are disadvantaged communities, they will suffer greatly, the higher private security people, people like me. that's not the world we want to live in. >> laura: as you said, the poorest and most disadvantaged always are the ones who get shafted when liberals come in with their "social justice solutions." we have other things we need to get to, tonight on msnbc, chris hayes was talking about why defunding the police might not be so bad of an idea after all, check it out. >> people will respond, what are you going to do about murder and do you know what the clearance rate is in major cities? which is to say the police department is only solving 30% of the homicides in a city like baltimore. >> laura: so i guess 30% of it does demand justice isn't worth it, let's go down to 5% of solved murders, that's just to indicting the leadership of the liberal cities. >> we've all do not call the police because there is violence and the police

it's like a hellscape out of mad max. this is the left run amok, all of that.t, you do have a reality on your hands. you have negotiations, between the people who are there and police. they seem to feel that they have a sense of domain, where they are. they are in control of that area so that you can't have normal traffic. you don't have normal life there. you have your police chief saying she didn't want to leave the precinct. that the city caved to pressure. that doesn't sound great either does it? >> so place-based protests are nothing new in seattle or across america. i mean, you see occupy take part of wall street for almost eight months in new york and the city managed to survive. i think what we really have to do is, you know, it's the old saying we're given one mouth but two ears. it's time to listen. what's happening in america right now is so significant. and we, as leaders, have to listen and determine what changes can we bring to bring us to a better country and better cities? my job as mayor is to move forward in a way that really pays attention to

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without them, you have mad max beyond thunderdome but the thing that damages a lot of these argumentsics. white officers are less likely to shoot nonwhite people than nonwhite officers shooting nonwhite suspects, i hope i got that right. white officers are less likely to shoot nonwhite than nonwhite shoot nonwhite so if the police is structurally racist it's intramural he racist so that's not a black problem, it's our problem. it's a small number but the fact that nonwhite officers are more likely to shoot nonwhite suspects than white suspects, that kind of destroys the racial narrative, meanwhile police officers are 18 and a half times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop and that's not saying that the latter is not a big deal because it is but once you get into the statistics if i can pronounce that word, what you find is that the emotions are real but untethered, some very uncomfortable facts that we wish to ignore. >> lawrence of protesters they are laying in the streets and lots of police there who were black police officers

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do not worry, we're not talking mad max beyond the thunder dome.nt, reorganize, and reimagine how policing is done. part of it would reallocate money to social programs. in minneapolis, the city council voting to dismantle its force police force structure. the mayor saying today that he does not support abolishing the department, and i want to show what he said over the weekend. >> oh, my god. >> in new york city, the nypd under fire for excessive force during the protest as you can see on the screen. officers beating protesters with batons. think about this, the nypd gets more than 6% of new york city's total annual budget. mayor de blasio vowing for the first time to now cut funding for the nypd saying "we are committed to seeing a shift of funding to youth services, to social services. it is unclear what exactly defunding the police would mean, what it would look like." joe biden's campaign saying he does not believe police should be defunded. joining me now is andrea stewart, the first ever woman and african-american woman leader of the state s

unfortunately, the statue police , we've all seen it on tv are trying to turn our cities and scenes from mad max. the mayor's, speaker pelosi are allowing it and they think all these folks need our hugs and hot cocoa. i think they need to go to jail. and be made to clean up their mess or pay for it. anarchy is not harmless fun. >> okay. i want to make sure that i say that he went further in that interview to say that the movement itself is about saving lives, and he does say that sometimes violence as necessary. he points back to moments in history were obviously violence was necessary. he makes the case that way the lack lives matter movement at sometimes it is necessary to invoke violence. what you say to that because he went on to explain that in the wake of the george floyd death, and the protest that then followed, that this isn't about ambushing police, this is about saving lives. that was his points, saving black lives. >> here is what i heard. not in his words, but in mine. i listen to the whole interview last night, here is what i hear him say. heard him say i hate america. america was

raging across the country, all the right wing weirdos on fox news have left is to get mad at cartoons and muppets >> hbo max'ses" reboot is disarming some classic characters >> what? >> elmer fudd's rifle is gone. no more. >> oh, no. >> yosemite sam's six iron's, out. >> six shot. >> he's been disarmed. >> foot washing, and now fudd without the rifle. okay >> well, it's virtue signaling >> yeah, i'm not bringing this sign to the protest at the community center later >> they look upset are the protesters sad >> they are sad and upset. and they have every right to be, elmo people are upset because racism is a huge problem in our country. >> yeah. >> across the country, people of color, especially in the black community, are being treated unfairly because of how they look >> it's a children's show. got that, bobby? america is a very bad place, and it's your fault. so no matter what happens, no matter what they do to you when you grow up, you have no right to complain. that's the message, and it starts very young. >> seth: think of how far you've fallen in life when you're mad at a muppet. i mean, just steaming a